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Post by dadrocker on Nov 2, 2022 15:07:16 GMT -5
What do we think of the fade in at the beginning? Could this be track 1 or perhaps there's a lead in from another song on the record? Just catches my ears a bit every time and makes me wonder.
This song is definitely a grower. Liking it more and more each time.
Also, I personally love that last few lines...seems very different for Noel. And I'm not astrology or religion fan but I love when Noel uses those artistically for whatever reason. Great stuff.
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Post by dadrocker on Nov 2, 2022 15:12:10 GMT -5
I personally think a lot of people are mourning the loss of their youth by yelling about the music they listened to when they were young. I’ve often thought the opposite. It is the younger newer fans, going through their peak Liam obsessed lad phase, who are more tribal and the most vocally against what Noel is doing now. I’m sure if I was 17 now I’d be loving seeing Liam at Knebworth, would find Noel’s live act boring in comparison and would be feeling fairly nonplussed by stuff like Black Star Dancing, Blue Moon Rising and Pretty Boy. Before any youfs come at me, I’m speaking generally, just going by what I’ve seen on social media. X Very good point. I don't see Oasis/Noel/Liam/etc. mentioned anywhere in my life except here, so this really is my view of the situation. I can imagine myself back during the 90s peak being that way easily as a teenager. Especially since it felt like me against whatever the kids I knew were listening to, which was rarely if ever Oasis. Really fueled the teenage angst for sure and it also made Oasis more special since it was 'my' thing. I was never a Liam fan per say, but obviously loved what he brought to the band and the live show particularly. He was eye catching in person in Oasis, no doubt about it. Interesting to think others are going through that phase now without being able to see the band live. Shame they're missing that part. One can only glean a few things here or there from seeing Liam or Noel live now. *stares at There and Then VHS* Okay, back to another Pretty Boy listen. |
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Post by Jessica on Nov 2, 2022 15:34:22 GMT -5
What do we think of the fade in at the beginning? Could this be track 1 or perhaps there's a lead in from another song on the record? Just catches my ears a bit every time and makes me wonder. This song is definitely a grower. Liking it more and more each time. Also, I personally love that last few lines...seems very different for Noel. And I'm not astrology or religion fan but I love when Noel uses those artistically for whatever reason. Great stuff. Has to be a lead in... Dead To The World maybe? |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 2, 2022 15:57:33 GMT -5
What do we think of the fade in at the beginning? Could this be track 1 or perhaps there's a lead in from another song on the record? Just catches my ears a bit every time and makes me wonder. This song is definitely a grower. Liking it more and more each time. Also, I personally love that last few lines...seems very different for Noel. And I'm not astrology or religion fan but I love when Noel uses those artistically for whatever reason. Great stuff. Has to be a lead in... Dead To The World maybe? Someone reminded me he said first two tracks on the record are bangers and then it settles down, never got those vibes whenever he mentioned Dead To The World Could still be track 2 tho |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 2, 2022 16:28:32 GMT -5
As for the Johnny Marr part. It’s a simple arpeggio. It’s nothing any professional guitarist couldn’t do. It’s why I believe Marr is also way over rated. Like Noel, his prime is literally legendary. But also like Noel, he is no longer overly interesting. It’s ok. Artists rarely stay on their game. What most people don't understand about Marr is that his magic lies in the vibe, not in the technique. He's played (and he still plays) some very hard stuff but what he does best are the simple, melodic riffs like this one. Sure, it's just "a simple arpeggio", but you hear it and you instantly know it's him. There's something in the way he plays that makes it unique: maybe the syncopated rhythm or the lightly plucked bassy notes that fill the main jangly melody, I don't know. Another perfect example is in Ballad of the Mighty I: the little riffs, the "solo" or - even better - the outro. It's all in the way he plays, not in the notes that he actually plays. I read that Johnny Marr is on it by chance, otherwise I wouldn't have known. And I do listen to the Smiths. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 2, 2022 16:35:41 GMT -5
It's OK. I start to ask myself If I would listen to it again If it wasn't Noel. Good question: Would I like this Song If it was by Sam Fender? Btw.my new tune, which defo noones listens to: Sam Fender...now that's a guy I don't get the fuss about. "He sounds like Bruce Springsteen!" Well, one Springsteen is more than enough, isn't it |
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Post by OasisFan199 on Nov 2, 2022 19:57:39 GMT -5
What most people don't understand about Marr is that his magic lies in the vibe, not in the technique. He's played (and he still plays) some very hard stuff but what he does best are the simple, melodic riffs like this one. Sure, it's just "a simple arpeggio", but you hear it and you instantly know it's him. There's something in the way he plays that makes it unique: maybe the syncopated rhythm or the lightly plucked bassy notes that fill the main jangly melody, I don't know. Another perfect example is in Ballad of the Mighty I: the little riffs, the "solo" or - even better - the outro. It's all in the way he plays, not in the notes that he actually plays. I read that Johnny Marr is on it by chance, otherwise I wouldn't have known. And I do listen to the Smiths. Didn’t you feel the vibe of the arpeggio? |
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Post by OasisFan199 on Nov 2, 2022 19:58:50 GMT -5
Well. This just isn’t true. This is how one explains why a basic guitar part is supposed to be special. The Smiths compositions and guitar parts were very special. Original. It wasn’t a vibe thing. It was a composition thing. Mare’s vibe is annoying guy who is always talking about the logic behind his below average songs. Then people who don’t really understand music call it genius. Because he and Noel say so. Vibe doesn’t replace great writing and creative playing. And Marr playing doesn’t elevate this song in any way. It’s a basic arpeggio which is turned up a bit in the back 1/2. I totally disagree but I won't waste time arguing with you. I have the impression that it's like talking to a brick wall. I've got more important things to do in my spare time, e.g. actually enjoying music and/or playing basic riffs and cowboy chords on my guitar. I'm a simple guy. The outro of There Is A Light, which is one of my favorite pieces of music ever, is an arpeggio of the song's basic chords: the magic is in the way it's played. If you like complex or elaborate guitar parts I suggest joining a '70s prog rock fan forum. Oasis' most famous song is a repetition of four basic chords that even a kid could play, maybe that's not hardcore enough for some people. You are so so right. Petty Boy and There is a Light that Never Go Out are both on the same level. All bout the Vibe. Lol. At least lyrically the are equals. That I can agree with. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 3, 2022 5:03:24 GMT -5
I don't know, after few days I just like this
Wouldn't rate it as high as the best HFB, but it's a very enjoyable tune with some nice touches and a dark, menacing tonr throughout
Don't ever get the fuss with the lyrics tbh, it's not enough for me to generate a cringing reaction a-la Take Me Away or The Mexican
And I really like the last part of the song/outro, genuinely good stuff
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Post by WirralRiddler on Nov 3, 2022 6:09:34 GMT -5
I don't know, after few days I just like this Wouldn't rate it as high as the best HFB, but it's a very enjoyable tune with some nice touches and a dark, menacing tonr throughout Don't ever get the fuss with the lyrics tbh, it's not enough for me to generate a cringing reaction a-la Take Me Away or The Mexican And I really like the last part of the song/outro, genuinely good stuff Take Me Away as in the Oasis b-side? Cringe? |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 3, 2022 6:17:59 GMT -5
I don't know, after few days I just like this Wouldn't rate it as high as the best HFB, but it's a very enjoyable tune with some nice touches and a dark, menacing tonr throughout Don't ever get the fuss with the lyrics tbh, it's not enough for me to generate a cringing reaction a-la Take Me Away or The Mexican And I really like the last part of the song/outro, genuinely good stuff Take Me Away as in the Oasis b-side? Cringe? That chorus... |
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Post by WirralRiddler on Nov 3, 2022 6:25:14 GMT -5
Take Me Away as in the Oasis b-side? Cringe? That chorus... Cos me and my soul we know where we're going, we're going where the grass is free and the air is clean and the good times are growing. surely much better than - She was a lot like me she was a lot like you no matter what you say no matter what you do |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 3, 2022 8:07:45 GMT -5
Cos me and my soul we know where we're going, we're going where the grass is free and the air is clean and the good times are growing. surely much better than - She was a lot like me she was a lot like you no matter what you say no matter what you do That's the pre-chorus tho, ain't it? I just have a problem with the need a phone/need a line stuff, and I think it's got a lot to do with the style of the song because I rarely have a problem with Noel lyrics, even the stupidest/laziest ones (and, not being a native speaker, I can pretend I don't care as well while I'm listening) But with it being a soft acoustic ballad those lyrics are at the front and I just cannot avoid cringing a bit |
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Post by WirralRiddler on Nov 3, 2022 8:25:21 GMT -5
Cos me and my soul we know where we're going, we're going where the grass is free and the air is clean and the good times are growing. surely much better than - She was a lot like me she was a lot like you no matter what you say no matter what you do That's the pre-chorus tho, ain't it? I just have a problem with the need a phone/need a line stuff, and I think it's got a lot to do with the style of the song because I rarely have a problem with Noel lyrics, even the stupidest/laziest ones (and, not being a native speaker, I can pretend I don't care as well while I'm listening) But with it being a soft acoustic ballad those lyrics are at the front and I just cannot avoid cringing a bit Sorry wasn't talking chorus just a general comment about the quality of the lyrics. Wanted to highlight one of my favourite lines and feel there is nothing even remotely comparable in Pretty Boy. The whole Phone/need a line lyric is basically a hint at Cocaine use. Thats why i don't really like that part to be honest. |
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Post by fluff123 on Nov 3, 2022 9:49:55 GMT -5
I'm liking it. Don't want to overplay it though. I'd like to hear it with the entire album whilst it's still fresh.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Nov 3, 2022 11:09:59 GMT -5
I have been listening today to my The Cure playlist (I am going to their gig in Barcelona next week). And now I NEED that Robert Smith remix
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Post by jamesjimmy on Nov 3, 2022 12:13:18 GMT -5
I'm liking it. Don't want to overplay it though. I'd like to hear it with the entire album whilst it's still fresh. I’m doing same, I’ve played it about 8 times since it’s been out and now going to listen less and wait. Top song which I hope will be even better in full album flow. |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 3, 2022 12:48:37 GMT -5
I don't know, after few days I just like this Wouldn't rate it as high as the best HFB, but it's a very enjoyable tune with some nice touches and a dark, menacing tonr throughout Don't ever get the fuss with the lyrics tbh, it's not enough for me to generate a cringing reaction a-la Take Me Away or The Mexican And I really like the last part of the song/outro, genuinely good stuff You cringe at Take Me Away?  |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 3, 2022 12:49:41 GMT -5
Cos me and my soul we know where we're going, we're going where the grass is free and the air is clean and the good times are growing. surely much better than - She was a lot like me she was a lot like you no matter what you say no matter what you do That's the pre-chorus tho, ain't it? I just have a problem with the need a phone/need a line stuff, and I think it's got a lot to do with the style of the song because I rarely have a problem with Noel lyrics, even the stupidest/laziest ones (and, not being a native speaker, I can pretend I don't care as well while I'm listening) But with it being a soft acoustic ballad those lyrics are at the front and I just cannot avoid cringing a bit ah I absolutely love those lyrics. So biting and sarcastic. Each to their own though! |
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Post by carlober on Nov 3, 2022 13:38:52 GMT -5
I totally disagree but I won't waste time arguing with you. I have the impression that it's like talking to a brick wall. I've got more important things to do in my spare time, e.g. actually enjoying music and/or playing basic riffs and cowboy chords on my guitar. I'm a simple guy. The outro of There Is A Light, which is one of my favorite pieces of music ever, is an arpeggio of the song's basic chords: the magic is in the way it's played. If you like complex or elaborate guitar parts I suggest joining a '70s prog rock fan forum. Oasis' most famous song is a repetition of four basic chords that even a kid could play, maybe that's not hardcore enough for some people. You are so so right. Petty Boy and There is a Light that Never Go Out are both on the same level. All bout the Vibe. Lol. At least lyrically the are equals. That I can agree with. Proof that you can't read but you love winding people up. I don't know why I'm still wasting my time with this reply but this is the last time. Bye. |
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Post by tiger40 on Nov 3, 2022 14:10:50 GMT -5
Take Me Away as in the Oasis b-side? Cringe? That chorus... I love Take Me Away, it's probably not one of my favourite early Oasis b.sides but I do like it and always have. |
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Post by RocketMan on Nov 3, 2022 15:20:47 GMT -5
Booooooooring. Unfortunately he continues the trend from his latest album and keeps making uninspired 80s sounding dad rock. Or something like that
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Post by megyesitomate on Nov 3, 2022 18:37:05 GMT -5
Actually, an intro would've been nice. But maybe it'll make more sense like this in the middle of the album.
yeah yeah
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Post by sheisloved on Nov 3, 2022 22:18:29 GMT -5
Booooooooring. Unfortunately he continues the trend from his latest album and keeps making uninspired 80s sounding dad rock. Or something like that 💯 |
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Post by garylineker on Nov 4, 2022 5:13:08 GMT -5
I'd actually forgotten he was releasing new music on the day (which might be quite telling in itself considering i've been a die hard fan for 15 years) but then Radio X announced they have the brand new Noel song about to play while i got ready for work, so i sat down to give it a listen.
Didn't even make it to the end before i switched everything off and left the house.
I've said it before and i'll say it again - he has become far too obsessed with making music that makes him viewed in a different way by his peers than anything else. When he was gushing because Elton John is sat with him saying how great sounding WBTM is, that's pretty much all Noel aspires for now.
The EPs, bar the brilliant Sail On, were just an idea strecthed out. Not a very good idea at that. I mean since In The Heat Of The Moment how many times does Noel use the lyrics "want it, need it". He's that focused on what it'll sound like that he is losing track of coming with a solid song. It really isn't anywhere near his level.
One good thing for me is the choice of lead single has generally been shocking for a while and i know they'll be songs on there that Noel is just making without the forced intention on making something different. I still believe it'll be a good album but this really is a tired, laboured effort that is nothing different from the EPs. 3/10
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