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Post by seanrulesrh on May 9, 2023 16:47:12 GMT -5
They took his job!!!
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Post by jh on May 10, 2023 2:06:05 GMT -5
How could they handle it better? Not sack him? Again, the insults hurling for Serge, none for Tom... Ending the band As Tom stated in an interview- They could have at least CHANGED the name of the band!! Let's not forget a little pic of Liam grabbing his missus by the NECK! I have never done such a thing when wasted...yet I am still listening to his music. We all fck up as humans. What Tom did was horrible and obvs there is a stain on him thats not ever going away. |
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Post by seanrulesrh on May 10, 2023 3:16:01 GMT -5
As Tom stated in an interview- They could have at least CHANGED the name of the band!! Let's not forget a little pic of Liam grabbing his missus by the NECK! I have never done such a thing when wasted...yet I am still listening to his music. We all fck up as humans. What Tom did was horrible and obvs there is a stain on him thats not ever going away. Yup, that's another point. I understand what the lads decided to do with Tom kicking him out. If one of my best friends hit his missus, I couldn't see him the same way. The problem with Kasabian is not only the fact that they published it on Instagram so everyone could make a circus about it, it's the fact that they kept the band's name and kept releasing music under its name. I respect them as musicians but it should've ended right there and started a new project |
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Post by tezza198 on May 10, 2023 7:33:51 GMT -5
As Tom stated in an interview- They could have at least CHANGED the name of the band!! Let's not forget a little pic of Liam grabbing his missus by the NECK! I have never done such a thing when wasted...yet I am still listening to his music. We all fck up as humans. What Tom did was horrible and obvs there is a stain on him thats not ever going away. Yup, that's another point. I understand what the lads decided to do with Tom kicking him out. If one of my best friends hit his missus, I couldn't see him the same way. The problem with Kasabian is not only the fact that they published it on Instagram so everyone could make a circus about it, it's the fact that they kept the band's name and kept releasing music under its name. I respect them as musicians but it should've ended right there and started a new project I think Serge is an egomaniac who thinks he’s way better than he actually is. I’m not a fan of him and his solo music is fucking rubbish and the latest Kasabian album sounded like it was all written by him which isn’t a good thing. They also should have changed the name, just like Liam did with Beady Eye - all in all as a fan I’m actually glad Tom’s on his own because we’re getting better music due to it |
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Post by seanrulesrh on May 10, 2023 8:03:32 GMT -5
Yup, that's another point. I understand what the lads decided to do with Tom kicking him out. If one of my best friends hit his missus, I couldn't see him the same way. The problem with Kasabian is not only the fact that they published it on Instagram so everyone could make a circus about it, it's the fact that they kept the band's name and kept releasing music under its name. I respect them as musicians but it should've ended right there and started a new project I think Serge is an egomaniac who thinks he’s way better than he actually is. I’m not a fan of him and his solo music is fucking rubbish and the latest Kasabian album sounded like it was all written by him which isn’t a good thing. They also should have changed the name, just like Liam did with Beady Eye - all in all as a fan I’m actually glad Tom’s on his own because we’re getting better music due to it I like Serge as a musician honestly. His solo album wasn't the strongest record but it had some interesting tracks. Alchemist Euphoria was an okay-ish experiment with some good tunes and some others not so good, but if every member of the band is saying that it sounds like a fresh start and a different sound, maybe they should've gone for a true fresh start and a different project. We can't deny that without him, albums 2-6 wouldn't have happened, and even though some people dislikes all the records post Asylum, I fucking love Velociraptor. It's one of my favourite record of all time and the man's got my respect for it. |
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Post by garylineker on May 10, 2023 11:29:11 GMT -5
How many did it sell? About 200 copies? Bland. Uninspired. Proper shit music Can't believe some of his fans support the arrogant woman beater.I recall when Kasabian sacked him saying they could not condone abuse. Natural and appropriate reaction would be 'fair and justified comment' but majority of them were misogynistic comments claiming poor Tom comes first and that they should have backed their 'troubled' mate. A typical response that sadly goes with the general attitude of their fanbase. I see a lot of people saying he's done his punishment and took accountability too. I've seen an arrogant twat doing almost everything he can for it not to come out initially, then since playing so much victimhood it's almost been sickening. The James Hargreaves stuff was the absolute worst. I had the misfortune of being around him at times with his small entourage who did nothing to help him a couple of years ago. He was an absolute mess, really vile. Don't believe the whole good guy act at all now. The veil was slightly lifted in the James Hargreaves interview with how bitter he got about Kasabian. They gave him every chance to sort his behaviour and couldn't stand being around him. They've also kept a very dignified silence as a band when they could have said a hell a lot more. |
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Post by garylineker on May 10, 2023 11:35:02 GMT -5
It's general whataboutery though. I think most reasonably minded folk would see Serge as perfectly justified to do what he did. The fact Tom Meighan fans counter accuse Serge and fling greater insults at him than Tom for something that is a no brainer just serves to trivialise the whole thing. general whataboutery WTF are you on about? Aside from what Tom did I think Kasabian could've handled it a lot better. Serge is a bellend. Simple. Stop twisting my words. They have him chance to announce what he did himself. He instead did a tweet saying I'm okay everyone. Resulting in everyone thinking the poor man had been chucked out for no reason. The next day his court case was there for the world to see. Tom was a state for years and I'm nothing like "in the know" at all but I was around enough to see him behave like a disgusting prick in bars. I think the much closer version to events is Serge and the band gave him every chance to sort his shit out. Serge did SLP and waited for him to sort it. He never did. It's bizarre this argument that they were just waiting for him to fuck up. If they were, then hitting your girl repeatedly round the head with a hamster cage in front of a kid probably falls into the category of "fucking up". |
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Post by justaroundmidnight on May 10, 2023 12:23:06 GMT -5
general whataboutery WTF are you on about? Aside from what Tom did I think Kasabian could've handled it a lot better. Serge is a bellend. Simple. Stop twisting my words. They have him chance to announce what he did himself. He instead did a tweet saying I'm okay everyone. Resulting in everyone thinking the poor man had been chucked out for no reason. The next day his court case was there for the world to see. Tom was a state for years and I'm nothing like "in the know" at all but I was around enough to see him behave like a disgusting prick in bars. I think the much closer version to events is Serge and the band gave him every chance to sort his shit out. Serge did SLP and waited for him to sort it. He never did. It's bizarre this argument that they were just waiting for him to fuck up. If they were, then hitting your girl repeatedly round the head with a hamster cage in front of a kid probably falls into the category of "fucking up". We can't just take your opinion as fact. In what way did he "behave like a disgusting prick in bars"? |
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Post by matt on May 10, 2023 16:04:39 GMT -5
I recall when Kasabian sacked him saying they could not condone abuse. Natural and appropriate reaction would be 'fair and justified comment' but majority of them were misogynistic comments claiming poor Tom comes first and that they should have backed their 'troubled' mate. A typical response that sadly goes with the general attitude of their fanbase. I see a lot of people saying he's done his punishment and took accountability too. I've seen an arrogant twat doing almost everything he can for it not to come out initially, then since playing so much victimhood it's almost been sickening. The James Hargreaves stuff was the absolute worst. I had the misfortune of being around him at times with his small entourage who did nothing to help him a couple of years ago. He was an absolute mess, really vile. Don't believe the whole good guy act at all now. The veil was slightly lifted in the James Hargreaves interview with how bitter he got about Kasabian. They gave him every chance to sort his behaviour and couldn't stand being around him. They've also kept a very dignified silence as a band when they could have said a hell a lot more. Case in point is this thread. I still keep seeing posts that, aside from the token 'yeah he done wrong did Tom', but Serge is still getting more hatred than him. Again this just further proves the skewed morals of the fanbase. Talk about getting priorities all wrong. It's not even a difficult thing to do, as there's no artist/person debate here. I've just heard his album and its right up there with James Hargreaves naff and cringe worthy stuff! Genuinely terrible stuff, but even if he was somebody of talent and considered an 'artist', majority of folk wouldn't let it pass. And he has to be thankful because the fall out would be so so much greater and the spotlight would shed much more debate about it. As a frontman, he should never enjoy public acclaim as if he's a troubled soul/hero when inflicting that level of violence towards a women and her daughter. The only thing that he's sorry about is that he was caught. |
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Post by justaroundmidnight on May 11, 2023 3:26:58 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Liam is seen on camera clearly grabbing his woman's throat only for it to suddenly disappear from the media like it never happened. He has 4 kids by 4 different women, there are numerous stories of infidelity and him behaving like a fucking bellend in bars, clubs, acting the hard man and treating people like shit. But that's ok, it's all in the past. He's changed.
But Tom, no, he's the son of satan.
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Post by underawaterfall on May 11, 2023 3:53:42 GMT -5
I think there’s a lot of nuance to this situation but it’s desperately sad.
I don’t think Kasabian had much choice in sacking Tom, it was ultimately the right decision. I think they should have done more to help Tom get better though, if they were ‘brothers’. The way they treated Tom was why Ben left the band too. Saying that, I could imagine it to be quite draining being in a band with Tom (not his fault). I also think they were right to keep the Kasabian name, commercially it makes sense and Serge did write pretty much all of the songs. Can of course see the arguments against it.
For Tom, it’s sad to see what happened. ADHD, combined with alcohol and substance abuse was bound to end badly in some way. I see a lot of good quality traits in him, but I struggle to give unwavering support to him after what’s happened. I’ve listened to the album, and it’s alright, but I don’t think I’d see him live. This could all change in the future, but right now I don’t feel comfortable with it. I absolutely believe in second chances when deserved, so I hope the future is bright for Tom. I hope his entourage is different to the one Gary saw him with and are keeping him on the straight and narrow!
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Post by seanrulesrh on May 11, 2023 6:00:45 GMT -5
Found a clip of Sunshine live! It starts at 20:50
I'm guessing it didn't make the cut because of that risky "you gotta love your lady" chorus.
Anyways, saw another song performed in a festival last summer called Firestarter. No clips at all so we don't know for sure how it sounds, but there are 2 known songs sitting already for the next record
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Post by Shockmaster on May 11, 2023 9:04:18 GMT -5
I think there’s a lot of nuance to this situation but it’s desperately sad. I don’t think Kasabian had much choice in sacking Tom, it was ultimately the right decision. I think they should have done more to help Tom get better though, if they were ‘brothers’. The way they treated Tom was why Ben left the band too. Saying that, I could imagine it to be quite draining being in a band with Tom (not his fault). I also think they were right to keep the Kasabian name, commercially it makes sense and Serge did write pretty much all of the songs. Can of course see the arguments against it. For Tom, it’s sad to see what happened. ADHD, combined with alcohol and substance abuse was bound to end badly in some way. I see a lot of good quality traits in him, but I struggle to give unwavering support to him after what’s happened. I’ve listened to the album, and it’s alright, but I don’t think I’d see him live. This could all change in the future, but right now I don’t feel comfortable with it. I absolutely believe in second chances when deserved, so I hope the future is bright for Tom. I hope his entourage is different to the one Gary saw him with and are keeping him on the straight and narrow! I haven't posted on this forum for nearly a decade now, but I had to for this. I can tell you now that this part about Ben is 100% absolutely false. Ben didn't re-join the band in 2021 because he was unable to commit his time to the shows due to his other work. |
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Post by underawaterfall on May 11, 2023 11:25:41 GMT -5
I think there’s a lot of nuance to this situation but it’s desperately sad. I don’t think Kasabian had much choice in sacking Tom, it was ultimately the right decision. I think they should have done more to help Tom get better though, if they were ‘brothers’. The way they treated Tom was why Ben left the band too. Saying that, I could imagine it to be quite draining being in a band with Tom (not his fault). I also think they were right to keep the Kasabian name, commercially it makes sense and Serge did write pretty much all of the songs. Can of course see the arguments against it. For Tom, it’s sad to see what happened. ADHD, combined with alcohol and substance abuse was bound to end badly in some way. I see a lot of good quality traits in him, but I struggle to give unwavering support to him after what’s happened. I’ve listened to the album, and it’s alright, but I don’t think I’d see him live. This could all change in the future, but right now I don’t feel comfortable with it. I absolutely believe in second chances when deserved, so I hope the future is bright for Tom. I hope his entourage is different to the one Gary saw him with and are keeping him on the straight and narrow! I haven't posted on this forum for nearly a decade now, but I had to for this. I can tell you now that this part about Ben is 100% absolutely false. Ben didn't re-join the band in 2021 because he was unable to commit his time to the shows due to his other work. Ah, I apologise. I read on the Kasabian forum this was the case, it was from the mod as well so assumed it was legit! |
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Post by Shockmaster on May 11, 2023 15:17:41 GMT -5
I haven't posted on this forum for nearly a decade now, but I had to for this. I can tell you now that this part about Ben is 100% absolutely false. Ben didn't re-join the band in 2021 because he was unable to commit his time to the shows due to his other work. Ah, I apologise. I read on the Kasabian forum this was the case, it was from the mod as well so assumed it was legit! Nah, as far as I know, Ben got an opportunity doing his dream job in 2020 so took it and gave up Kasabian. I hope he comes back one day though because they massively benefit from his input in the live show. |
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Post by garylineker on May 12, 2023 9:24:32 GMT -5
I see a lot of people saying he's done his punishment and took accountability too. I've seen an arrogant twat doing almost everything he can for it not to come out initially, then since playing so much victimhood it's almost been sickening. The James Hargreaves stuff was the absolute worst. I had the misfortune of being around him at times with his small entourage who did nothing to help him a couple of years ago. He was an absolute mess, really vile. Don't believe the whole good guy act at all now. The veil was slightly lifted in the James Hargreaves interview with how bitter he got about Kasabian. They gave him every chance to sort his behaviour and couldn't stand being around him. They've also kept a very dignified silence as a band when they could have said a hell a lot more. Case in point is this thread. I still keep seeing posts that, aside from the token 'yeah he done wrong did Tom', but Serge is still getting more hatred than him. Again this just further proves the skewed morals of the fanbase. Talk about getting priorities all wrong. It's not even a difficult thing to do, as there's no artist/person debate here. I've just heard his album and its right up there with James Hargreaves naff and cringe worthy stuff! Genuinely terrible stuff, but even if he was somebody of talent and considered an 'artist', majority of folk wouldn't let it pass. And he has to be thankful because the fall out would be so so much greater and the spotlight would shed much more debate about it. As a frontman, he should never enjoy public acclaim as if he's a troubled soul/hero when inflicting that level of violence towards a women and her daughter. The only thing that he's sorry about is that he was caught. I've noticed it be quite representative of his fanbase. I remember when I had to call out a woman's abusive attitude towards me online by showing everyone the texts I'd had to put up with for months. Luckily many rightly called it for what it was, but it was eye opening the amount of women who were commenting more bothered about the fact I'd publicly outted her or made excuses for the behaviour. Shown to me that those who've done the same will use these events to justify their own past behaviour. It's exactly the same with this. |
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Post by tezza198 on May 20, 2023 3:21:22 GMT -5
Anyone still enjoying the album?
I guess it’s not that surprising with the lack of marketing for the album due to him getting cancelled but I find it odd that the album was released, tour quickly then concluded and we haven’t heard much since! Very strange
With a Gallagher, typically the album will be released, then big tour starts or continues, lots of promotion after the album still etc
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Post by clueso on May 21, 2023 11:31:07 GMT -5
Barely impossible to compare the Gallaghers with Tom.
Talked to him at Shepherds Bush, asking if there will be more dates added after the release. He said it depends on how The Reckoning will do in terms of sales etc, fully aware of not getting that much publicity. Of course he wants to continue touring. Tom appeared to be really matured and settled, always liked him anyway.
As for the record - still enjoying it a lot ! Except Daytona i do like all the songs, the album has a good flow.
Hopefully he will add more dates soon because he is an absolute banger live, great frontman, amazing voice !
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Post by jh on May 21, 2023 11:57:22 GMT -5
Anyone still enjoying the album? I guess it’s not that surprising with the lack of marketing for the album due to him getting cancelled but I find it odd that the album was released, tour quickly then concluded and we haven’t heard much since! Very strange With a Gallagher, typically the album will be released, then big tour starts or continues, lots of promotion after the album still etc Still really liking it. Better in the dark is the stand out tune for me. Very true about here then...like a puff of smoke done and dusted. |
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Post by jh on May 21, 2023 11:59:21 GMT -5
Barely impossible to compare the Gallaghers with Tom. Talked to him at Shepherds Bush, asking if there will be more dates added after the release. He said it depends on how The Reckoning will do in terms of sales etc, fully aware of not getting that much publicity. Of course he wants to continue touring. Tom appeared to be really matured and settled, always liked him anyway. As for the record - still enjoying it a lot ! Except Daytona i do like all the songs, the album has a good flow. Hopefully he will add more dates soon because he is an absolute banger live, great frontman, amazing voice ! Daytona for me is the only slightly irritating addition.. Should have gone with Out Of This World..but it is a very solid output |
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Post by tezza198 on May 26, 2023 19:44:15 GMT -5
I can’t help but feel bad for Tom.
His lack of social media posts after the album tells me that it hasn’t sold that great. The signed vinyls are still for sale for Christ sake and yet NG’s signed albums sold out in minutes yesterday.
It literally feels like trying to find a needle in a haystack when trying to find reviews of the album etc online, there’s just no promotion for it at all. It’s such a shame because the album truely is amazing and deserves a lot more recognition.
He’s also really got me back into Kasabian prior to him leaving. They were so fucking good live. So I really hope the lack of sales doesn’t deter him from continuing and producing another album, more touring etc he should support Liam Gallagher on his next tour.
Anyway, as some others have said, it’s not fair. Liam Gallagher had an incident when he grabbed Debbie by the throat, but no one gives a fuck about that anymore plus all the other things he’s done over the years. Not condoning what he did but I just don’t feel like it’s fair on Tom.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 26, 2023 23:25:25 GMT -5
I can’t help but feel bad for Tom. His lack of social media posts after the album tells me that it hasn’t sold that great. The signed vinyls are still for sale for Christ sake and yet NG’s signed albums sold out in minutes yesterday. It literally feels like trying to find a needle in a haystack when trying to find reviews of the album etc online, there’s just no promotion for it at all. It’s such a shame because the album truely is amazing and deserves a lot more recognition. He’s also really got me back into Kasabian prior to him leaving. They were so fucking good live. So I really hope the lack of sales doesn’t deter him from continuing and producing another album, more touring etc he should support Liam Gallagher on his next tour. Anyway, as some others have said, it’s not fair. Liam Gallagher had an incident when he grabbed Debbie by the throat, but no one gives a fuck about that anymore plus all the other things he’s done over the years. Not condoning what he did but I just don’t feel like it’s fair on Tom. Noel is an all time legend from an iconic band. Tom is not that nor is his former band. Keep in mind that Tom got canceled. That is always a long road back. Doesn't mean you ever really get to return. Liam did not do what Tom did. Not even close. |
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Post by shadowplay on May 27, 2023 4:23:12 GMT -5
I stopped following the band after their 4th album didn't do much for me. Tom seemed alright back then in interviews at least, then I watched a few recent interviews including the James Hargreaves one around the time that came out and he comes across as a delusional, arrogant bellend. I agree with garylinker who said it comes across like an arrogant prick trying to play the victim card and doesn't show any sign of remorse. I haven't really listened to any of his new stuff because it just doesn't interest me, I think i did click one or two vids out of morbid curiosity and it's absolutely shit, I've seen promotional materials and thumbnails here and there on the internet as well and it makes me cringe, he wants to be Liam SOOO much but he doesn't have any of the charm or talent.
I don't feel sorry for him either, i know a lot of rockstars have a sketchy past, there's probably a lot we don't know about some people who are still idolized even now but the stuff that's been coming out about Tom seems particularly deranged and vile and for me there are no mitigating circumstances there. It's a shame for the fans though, like I said I don't listen to Kasabian anymore so it doesn't affect me but the stuff that came about about the guy from Arcade fire sucked and I haven't listened to them since. People will rightly say why can't these people just enjoy what they have and not be fucking creeps but it does seem like after a certain amount of time having everything given to you and having your arse kissed no matter how you act it seems to change people for the worse and they think they can do whatever the hell they want without any consequences.
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Post by matt on May 27, 2023 5:45:37 GMT -5
I can’t help but feel bad for Tom. His lack of social media posts after the album tells me that it hasn’t sold that great. The signed vinyls are still for sale for Christ sake and yet NG’s signed albums sold out in minutes yesterday. It literally feels like trying to find a needle in a haystack when trying to find reviews of the album etc online, there’s just no promotion for it at all. It’s such a shame because the album truely is amazing and deserves a lot more recognition. He’s also really got me back into Kasabian prior to him leaving. They were so fucking good live. So I really hope the lack of sales doesn’t deter him from continuing and producing another album, more touring etc he should support Liam Gallagher on his next tour. Anyway, as some others have said, it’s not fair. Liam Gallagher had an incident when he grabbed Debbie by the throat, but no one gives a fuck about that anymore plus all the other things he’s done over the years. Not condoning what he did but I just don’t feel like it’s fair on Tom. In what world do you think Tom Meighan and Kasabian are on a level similar to Oasis? That's like wondering why Pop Idol winner Michelle McManus can't sell out Wembley stadium. Also, I can't remember the time Liam violently threw his partner around in front of his kid. Not just domestic violence, but child abuse there as well. Don't pity him, pity the poor kid and his girlfriend. |
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Post by matt on May 27, 2023 5:52:41 GMT -5
I stopped following the band after their 4th album didn't do much for me. Tom seemed alright back then in interviews at least, then I watched a few recent interviews including the James Hargreaves one around the time that came out and he comes across as a delusional, arrogant bellend. I agree with garylinker who said it comes across like an arrogant prick trying to play the victim card and doesn't show any sign of remorse. I haven't really listened to any of his new stuff because it just doesn't interest me, I think i did click one or two vids out of morbid curiosity and it's absolutely shit, I've seen promotional materials and thumbnails here and there on the internet as well and it makes me cringe, he wants to be Liam SOOO much but he doesn't have any of the charm or talent. I don't feel sorry for him either, i know a lot of rockstars have a sketchy past, there's probably a lot we don't know about some people who are still idolized even now but the stuff that's been coming out about Tom seems particularly deranged and vile and for me there are no mitigating circumstances there. It's a shame for the fans though, like I said I don't listen to Kasabian anymore so it doesn't affect me but the stuff that came about about the guy from Arcade fire sucked and I haven't listened to them since. People will rightly say why can't these people just enjoy what they have and not be fucking creeps but it does seem like after a certain amount of time having everything given to you and having your arse kissed no matter how you act it seems to change people for the worse and they think they can do whatever the hell they want without any consequences. Had to laugh when I read that at one of his recent gigs, he proclaimed 'the king is back!'. It would be much funnier if it weren't so tragic. Bellend. |
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