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Post by seanrulesrh on Oct 27, 2021 7:03:54 GMT -5
So, Kasabian released ALYGATYR (Aligator) last night and Tom is releasing Would You Mind this Friday.
Given the fact that I joined this forum for the release of the sixth album I felt I had to create this thread!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 27, 2021 7:55:59 GMT -5
So, Kasabian released ALYGATYR (Aligator) last night and Tom is releasing Would You Mind this Friday. Given the fact that I joined this forum for the release of the sixth album I felt I had to create this thread! It’s gonna be a tough go for Tom. 1) He was creatively slipping with Kasabian the last several years 2) He no longer has his tent pole band to lean on 3) His domestic abuse sentencing That’s a lot to unpack. |
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Post by seanrulesrh on Oct 27, 2021 8:23:52 GMT -5
So, Kasabian released ALYGATYR (Aligator) last night and Tom is releasing Would You Mind this Friday. Given the fact that I joined this forum for the release of the sixth album I felt I had to create this thread! It’s gonna be a tough go for Tom. 1) He was creatively slipping with Kasabian the last several years 2) He no longer has his tent pole band to lean on 3) His domestic abuse sentencing That’s a lot to unpack. I'm hoping he's the one in charge writing the songs at least. Honestly I never cared about the personal issues that the musicians have, that's their problem. But two Kasabian related records seem like a good deal for me |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 27, 2021 8:49:50 GMT -5
ALYGATYR is shit.
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Post by Day Tripper on Oct 27, 2021 10:15:15 GMT -5
I remember wondering recently how Serge does at singing and playing guitar at the same time now that Tom is gone. Now I have an image in my head where I'm watching Kasabian perform even more recently but I also remember seeing a random dream last night where I was going to watch Kasabian play in Sweden so maybe it was in the dream.
This doesn't have much to do with this thread except that when I opened this forum for the first time in a few days is the first thread I saw and it reminded me of all this. I'm not even interested in their music anymore so I'm not sure why I even dreamt of them in the first place.
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Post by seanrulesrh on Oct 27, 2021 10:47:48 GMT -5
I remember wondering recently how Serge does at singing and playing guitar at the same time now that Tom is gone. Now I have an image in my head where I'm watching Kasabian perform even more recently but I also remember seeing a random dream last night where I was going to watch Kasabian play in Sweden so maybe it was in the dream. This doesn't have much to do with this thread except that when I opened this forum for the first time in a few days is the first thread I saw and it reminded me of all this. I'm not even interested in their music anymore so I'm not sure why I even dreamt of them in the first place. He doesn't play while singing anymore. Literally imitates Tom with the voice and swoops around like a rapper waving his hands. Missing Tom as a singer honestly |
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Post by norkbauer on Oct 27, 2021 11:09:13 GMT -5
He doesn't play while singing anymore. Literally imitates Tom with the voice and swoops around like a rapper waving his hands. Missing Tom as a singer honestly Actually he's playing guitar and singing on You're in Love with a Psycho. His vocals are just weak imo. |
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Post by norkbauer on Oct 27, 2021 11:10:48 GMT -5
Alygatyr is ok, nice song, I enjoyed the chorus, but I think this is very forgetabble without Tom. It just doesn't get there.
I'm more excited about Tom solo, looks like he's really into it, maybe he'll drop a better record than this new Kasabian and The S.L.P. too.
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Post by matt on Oct 27, 2021 14:50:17 GMT -5
Surprised to see this and the brass neck of Tom Meighan in trying to relaunch his career after his shameful past. Doesn't send a good message at all.
Regardless, what maudlin self pitying crap. Thankfully his career is dead and we won't have to hear this shite on the radio.
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Post by Bellboy on Oct 27, 2021 16:12:57 GMT -5
Kasabian should just call it a day man. Serge and Tom solo? Fine. but stop flogging a dead horse. I don't mind the guy from the Music singing but it's a different band ala Beady Eye IMO.
Really surprised they are supporting LG next year.
Their new song is shit too.
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 28, 2021 3:19:21 GMT -5
Kasabian should just call it a day man. Serge and Tom solo? Fine. but stop flogging a dead horse. I don't mind the guy from the Music singing but it's a different band ala Beady Eye IMO. Really surprised they are supporting LG next year. Their new song is shit too. Couldn't agree more. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 28, 2021 5:53:42 GMT -5
Surprised to see this and the brass neck of Tom Meighan in trying to relaunch his career after his shameful past. Doesn't send a good message at all. Regardless, what maudlin self pitying crap. Thankfully his career is dead and we won't have to hear this shite on the radio. I’m interested Matt, do you believe in rehabilitation? |
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Post by Sadie on Oct 28, 2021 8:15:41 GMT -5
Surprised to see this and the brass neck of Tom Meighan in trying to relaunch his career after his shameful past. Doesn't send a good message at all. Regardless, what maudlin self pitying crap. Thankfully his career is dead and we won't have to hear this shite on the radio. I’m interested Matt, do you believe in rehabilitation? This reminds me of a blog post I stumbled across, it's strange reading this cause while I hope he's changed things the knowledge of what he did really stings tommeighan.medium.com/check-your-soul-db16b36d62dc |
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Oct 28, 2021 8:22:05 GMT -5
Just my opinion but Kasabian were shit after west Ryder
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Post by seanrulesrh on Oct 28, 2021 9:03:43 GMT -5
Imho, cancel culture would've ruined every great artist of the last couple of decades. Personally I think Tom Meighan must be a shit person, but musically speaking, he's a great singer and I will listen the tomorrow's tune with an open mind. Music is all we the listeners should care about.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Oct 28, 2021 9:11:07 GMT -5
Didn't loads of famous rock stars shag underage kids back in the day and not get kicked out of their respective bands for being pedos
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 28, 2021 13:52:08 GMT -5
Didn't loads of famous rock stars shag underage kids back in the day and not get kicked out of their respective bands for being pedos Well, pedophilia generally refers to those who have a thing for very young children of 12 and under, not shagging adoring teenagers consensually. People look at it very differently now, but in general don't think any band members in the 70s saw having sex with young groupies as criminal behavior. Indulgent and decadent behavior, yes ... but that was the point ... Also entirely different from domestic violence. That said, Meighan appears to have done everything he could possibly do to make amends. I'm not into Kasabian or Meighan and don't honestly know that much about him as a person. But what I do know is that he admitted his guilt in court, served his sentence, did community service, undertook a serious alcohol rehab, went into therapy, asked his wife's forgiveness, and has spoken about his mental health struggles in ways that might help others to seek aid before doing something terrible. Hard to see what else he could do to try to be a better person, if you believe such a thing is possible. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 28, 2021 15:48:00 GMT -5
I’m interested Matt, do you believe in rehabilitation? This reminds me of a blog post I stumbled across, it's strange reading this cause while I hope he's changed things the knowledge of what he did really stings tommeighan.medium.com/check-your-soul-db16b36d62dcAmazing that Tom married the woman who took him to court and sued him last summer just this July. That is wild. |
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Post by matt on Oct 28, 2021 15:50:16 GMT -5
Didn't loads of famous rock stars shag underage kids back in the day and not get kicked out of their respective bands for being pedos W ell, pedophilia generally refers to those who have a thing for very young children of 12 and under, not shagging adoring teenagers consensually. People look at it very differently now, but in general don't think any band members in the 70s saw having sex with young groupies as criminal behavior. Indulgent and decadent behavior, yes ... but that was the point ... Also entirely different from domestic violence. That said, Meighan appears to have done everything he could possibly do to make amends. I'm not into Kasabian or Meighan and don't honestly know that much about him as a person. But what I do know is that he admitted his guilt in court, served his sentence, did community service, undertook a serious alcohol rehab, went into therapy, asked his wife's forgiveness, and has spoken about his mental health struggles in ways that might help others to seek aid before doing something terrible. Hard to see what else he could do to try to be a better person, if you believe such a thing is possible. Are we really trying to make an argument here as if it's somehow less disgusting? Any guy who sexually exploits an underage individual - a child basically - is a paedophile. We can get bogged down in semantics and how differing intentions make the crime 'less so' but if you are a mature adult who takes advantage of a freakin child whose age dictates they will always be vulnerable (no matter how much the perpetrator preaches they were 'mature for their age' which doesn't exist), then that's fucked up regardless of the context. Pop music these days may not have a lot of quality for some, but rest assured, these new lot are a hell of a lot more moral and not sleazebags like the old generation. |
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Post by matt on Oct 28, 2021 15:52:14 GMT -5
Surprised to see this and the brass neck of Tom Meighan in trying to relaunch his career after his shameful past. Doesn't send a good message at all. Regardless, what maudlin self pitying crap. Thankfully his career is dead and we won't have to hear this shite on the radio. I’m interested Matt, do you believe in rehabilitation? I do. But true rehabilitation is not trying to dictate the narrative through your own career. If he had any sense, he would get away from it all, hunker down, engage with his problematic behaviour and be alone with his thoughts for true rehab. Not release some sappy tune to try and make us feel sorry for him (which lets be honest is what he's tried to do). |
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Post by seanrulesrh on Oct 28, 2021 17:10:04 GMT -5
I get the song is emotional and that but we've seen him cry in 2 out of 3 clips. Come on, man.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 28, 2021 20:03:41 GMT -5
Are we really trying to make an argument here as if it's somehow less disgusting? Any guy who sexually exploits an underage individual - a child basically - is a paedophile. We can get bogged down in semantics and how differing intentions make the crime 'less so' but if you are a mature adult who takes advantage of a freakin child whose age dictates they will always be vulnerable (no matter how much the perpetrator preaches they were 'mature for their age' which doesn't exist), then that's fucked up regardless of the context. Pop music these days may not have a lot of quality for some, but rest assured, these new lot are a hell of a lot more moral and not sleazebags like the old generation. Not really the place to have this debate, but I’ll say two quick(ish) things. One is that there is a clear distinction between pedophilia and other forms of underage sex in both the law and in the English language, so yeah, I am saying that there is a difference. Having sex with a consenting 16 or 17 year-old is not pedophilia simply because that is not what the word means. Sex with any teenager may be a crime in some areas but it’s also a qualitatively different act than preying on prepubescent children. It is treated differently both by the legal system and by psychiatrists. (See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia) Historically, laws against older teenagers having sex were intended to prevent women from having sex before marriage -- and also, were often used to discriminate against minorities and gay people (can't say in England, but in the US, black and gay people have long been disproportionately arrested for so-called statutory rape.) It’s also the norm for an awful lot of people to have sex at that age. I strongly doubt I’m the only person on this forum who would have had a consenting, non-exploitative older boyfriend locked up if the law were enforced in this regard! The second thing is that a lot of what went on in the 60s-90s was done in the spirit of defiance of repression. You may call it sleazebaggery, and there were definitely still a lot of tricky old-school power dynamics, but a lot of it was more about exploration than exploitation.. As in anything, there were people who got carried away and there was sometimes force, violence and coercion that got swept under the table. But that was the exception. I'm an acquaintance of a woman who was a quite famous groupie in the late 60s. She’s old now obvs but she was a teen at the time and her stories make it crystal clear that she and her friends were having a blast breaking the rules for girls (as they existed in 1966), seducing their idols and touching that superstar magic for themselves. I would say unequivocally that not every teenager who has sex is a victim. (I'm also not convinced that the current generation of pop stars is all that enlightened. Hell, even Justin Bieber has been accused of assault as have a whole bunch of TikTok stars!) Anyway, this doesn't belong here because so far as I know no one in Kasabian is being accused of having underage sex. There'e enough to discuss already in terms of domestic violence, rehab and cancellation ! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 28, 2021 23:10:54 GMT -5
I get the song is emotional and that but we've seen him cry in 2 out of 3 clips. Come on, man. Is it weird that I actually like this song? Tom sounds really good on it. If his girlfriend can forgive him (and marry him this summer) why can't I? |
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 29, 2021 1:28:32 GMT -5
What a sappy song. My tears are dried up completely.
"Would you mind if I told you honestly?", of couse I would...or not.
Good luck Tom whatever you do and whoever you will marry, but you won't get my money anymore, so does your former band.
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Post by seanrulesrh on Oct 29, 2021 4:16:54 GMT -5
I get the song is emotional and that but we've seen him cry in 2 out of 3 clips. Come on, man. Is it weird that I actually like this song? Tom sounds really good on it. If his girlfriend can forgive him (and marry him this summer) why can't I? I must say I liked it too. I'm a sucker for those vocals. You cannot sound that good if you're not feeling it, to each their own |
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