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Post by defmaybe00 on May 26, 2021 4:20:42 GMT -5
But even if it was, he's a songwriter and he believes and likes what he's doing and he's gonna defend it, big fucking deal He can do whatever he wants, no one is saying otherwise. This thread is about the reception of the song and I just gave my opinion on why I think the song is utter shit. Don't need to be too defensive, kids. Plus, primary schools are already open. So funny |
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Post by cosmos on May 26, 2021 4:30:47 GMT -5
He's always pulled out cool titles from pop culture though. "Because we need each other" would be a shit title but he gave us the title Acquiesce because it sounded unusual and exotic in order to "fire people's imaginations". I think it was the Paul Mathur book that said he heard the phrase acquiesce while watching coverage of the OJ Simpson trial. He looked up what it meant, adopted it for his tune and then came up with the explanation that Oasis music was so great that everybody who heard his music would relent, submit, acquiesce to its power. Unusually Noel has penned 2 UK number ones where the title never appears in the song's lyric. Yeah, but the actual song "acquiesce" is phenomenal. In the case of HM is a "pop reference" for a very... bad song (I won't say shit song because some kids here get so offended). |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 26, 2021 4:33:56 GMT -5
Holy Mountain is fucking class and a monster of a tune live.
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Post by zackoasisnoble on May 26, 2021 4:37:33 GMT -5
It's not generic as a song so there's always gonna be some people who don't like it and even more so a lot of people who haven't even given it a chance.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 26, 2021 4:38:38 GMT -5
He's always pulled out cool titles from pop culture though. "Because we need each other" would be a shit title but he gave us the title Acquiesce because it sounded unusual and exotic in order to "fire people's imaginations". I think it was the Paul Mathur book that said he heard the phrase acquiesce while watching coverage of the OJ Simpson trial. He looked up what it meant, adopted it for his tune and then came up with the explanation that Oasis music was so great that everybody who heard his music would relent, submit, acquiesce to its power. Unusually Noel has penned 2 UK number ones where the title never appears in the song's lyric. Yeah, but the actual song "acquiesce" is phenomenal. In the case of HM is a "pop reference" for a very... bad song (I won't say shit song because some kids here get so offended). That's not the point you were making tho? You just went on a rant about making artistic statements and wanting to fit and so on You can say it's a shit tune if you like, I'm not even that much of a fan I just find it amazing that people can be so thrown off by him standing up for his own music and defending his own choices, it goes beyond taste, the fact that you don't like it doesn't make it pretentious |
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Post by dazed on May 26, 2021 4:59:45 GMT -5
The songs fine, I'd like it more had Noel not spent the whole press tour sneering at anyone that was less than enthusiastic about his new direction. I found it wanky as hell that he'd treat his own fans like that.
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Post by cosmos on May 26, 2021 5:28:38 GMT -5
Yeah, but the actual song "acquiesce" is phenomenal. In the case of HM is a "pop reference" for a very... bad song (I won't say shit song because some kids here get so offended). That's not the point you were making tho? You just went on a rant about making artistic statements and wanting to fit and so on You can say it's a shit tune if you like, I'm not even that much of a fan I just find it amazing that people can be so thrown off by him standing up for his own music and defending his own choices, it goes beyond taste, the fact that you don't like it doesn't make it pretentious I am just stating my opinion based on his own words: he said that for CY he was doing "cosmic" jazz thing and then that Black Star Dancing was his own attempt at expanding his sound and all. Yeah, I don't like his recent music because, given his own statements, I find them to be failed attempts at experimenting with new sounds (again, they are far from being new/innovative in the context of his own music), production techniques (DYKWIM is based on a sample track, fucking in the bushes has a "monologue" just as beautiful world and we could carry on) or music genres (where is the jazz in CY?). About fitting in with other artists, this is my own take, but I don't think I am being unreasonable: many people in this forum have compared his latest pop tracks such as HM with Damon Albarn's style. Is this a case of just another casual musical influence or is Noel trying to say something about his career in comparison to someone who has experienced a certain level of musical evolution? Even Liam has stated in the past Noel tries too hard to fit in with his jet set friends like Bono. So instead of getting way to defensive on your music idol, which is also mine, let's discuss why many of Noel's recent outputs simply don't sound right in light of his frequently contradictory and pretentious statements. |
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Post by matt on May 26, 2021 6:08:18 GMT -5
That's not the point you were making tho? You just went on a rant about making artistic statements and wanting to fit and so on You can say it's a shit tune if you like, I'm not even that much of a fan I just find it amazing that people can be so thrown off by him standing up for his own music and defending his own choices, it goes beyond taste, the fact that you don't like it doesn't make it pretentious I am just stating my opinion based on his own words: he said that for CY he was doing "cosmic" jazz thing and then that Black Star Dancing was his own attempt at expanding his sound and all. Yeah, I don't like his recent music because, given his own statements, I find them to be failed attempts at experimenting with new sounds (again, they are far from being new/innovative in the context of his own music), production techniques (DYKWIM is based on a sample track, fucking in the bushes has a "monologue" just as beautiful world and we could carry on) or music genres (where is the jazz in CY?). About fitting in with other artists, this is my own take, but I don't think I am being unreasonable: many people in this forum have compared his latest pop tracks such as HM with Damon Albarn's style. Is this a case of just another casual musical influence or is Noel trying to say something about his career in comparison to someone who has experienced a certain level of musical evolution? Even Liam has stated in the past Noel tries too hard to fit in with his jet set friends like Bono. So instead of getting way to defensive on your music idol, which is also mine, let's discuss why many of Noel's recent outputs simply don't sound right in light of his frequently contradictory and pretentious statements. All your doing is selecting certain quotes from Noel and blowing it up to fit your own agenda. A big reason why some folk dislike Noel's current is that it doesn't suit their narrow expectations of the plodding rock that he became bogged down with and all songs that were influenced by boring old man British rock acts from the 60s and 70s. Thank god he expanded his tastes and stopped giving us crap like Lock All The Doors and Girl With X Ray Eyes. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 26, 2021 6:15:05 GMT -5
That's not the point you were making tho? You just went on a rant about making artistic statements and wanting to fit and so on You can say it's a shit tune if you like, I'm not even that much of a fan I just find it amazing that people can be so thrown off by him standing up for his own music and defending his own choices, it goes beyond taste, the fact that you don't like it doesn't make it pretentious I am just stating my opinion based on his own words: he said that for CY he was doing "cosmic" jazz thing and then that Black Star Dancing was his own attempt at expanding his sound and all. Yeah, I don't like his recent music because, given his own statements, I find them to be failed attempts at experimenting with new sounds (again, they are far from being new/innovative in the context of his own music), production techniques (DYKWIM is based on a sample track, fucking in the bushes has a "monologue" just as beautiful world and we could carry on) or music genres (where is the jazz in CY?). About fitting in with other artists, this is my own take, but I don't think I am being unreasonable: many people in this forum have compared his latest pop tracks such as HM with Damon Albarn's style. Is this a case of just another casual musical influence or is Noel trying to say something about his career in comparison to someone who has experienced a certain level of musical evolution? Even Liam has stated in the past Noel tries too hard to fit in with his jet set friends like Bono. So instead of getting way to defensive on your music idol, which is also mine, let's discuss why many of Noel's recent outputs simply don't sound right in light of his frequently contradictory and pretentious statements. Yeah I'm gonna discuss how Noel did Holy Mountain to fit in with Bono |
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Post by PepsiNebula on May 26, 2021 12:39:07 GMT -5
It's because I rarely make it that far on the album, and when I do, AATW has already destroyed my spirit, so I don't have the energy to respond to any songs after it.
I don't get the hate for AGN, though. At worst, it is in fact a nothing song. Not enough there to even get worked up about, in my opinion.
Not It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) - that's a mishandled classic! I mean the Better Man from Heathen Chemistry. Damn it! The Gallagher Titling Curse strikes again. I guess I've already adequately demonstrated why I never think to talk about that one: it's because I forget it exists.  |
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Post by jeffrey on May 26, 2021 12:51:15 GMT -5
I am just stating my opinion based on his own words: he said that for CY he was doing "cosmic" jazz thing and then that Black Star Dancing was his own attempt at expanding his sound and all. Yeah, I don't like his recent music because, given his own statements, I find them to be failed attempts at experimenting with new sounds (again, they are far from being new/innovative in the context of his own music), production techniques (DYKWIM is based on a sample track, fucking in the bushes has a "monologue" just as beautiful world and we could carry on) or music genres (where is the jazz in CY?). About fitting in with other artists, this is my own take, but I don't think I am being unreasonable: many people in this forum have compared his latest pop tracks such as HM with Damon Albarn's style. Is this a case of just another casual musical influence or is Noel trying to say something about his career in comparison to someone who has experienced a certain level of musical evolution? Even Liam has stated in the past Noel tries too hard to fit in with his jet set friends like Bono. So instead of getting way to defensive on your music idol, which is also mine, let's discuss why many of Noel's recent outputs simply don't sound right in light of his frequently contradictory and pretentious statements. All your doing is selecting certain quotes from Noel and blowing it up to fit your own agenda. A big reason why some folk dislike Noel's current is that it doesn't suit their narrow expectations of the plodding rock that he became bogged down with and all songs that were influenced by boring old man British rock acts from the 60s and 70s. Thank god he expanded his tastes and stopped giving us crap like Lock All The Doors and Girl With X Ray Eyes. So someone using actual quotes to inform their argument is a negative thing, but making broad implications that people don’t enjoy his recent music because they have narrow expectations and want boring, old man, British rock acts from the 60s and 70s is a good take? In my opinion, he’s just dropped the rock and substituted pop from the 60s and 70s; there’s nothing avant garde about what he’s doing. |
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Post by tiger40 on May 26, 2021 13:01:09 GMT -5
Acquiesce is a great title for a song and I'm glad that Noel used the word for an Oasis song.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 26, 2021 13:02:13 GMT -5
One day you will all find out that everyone can have preferences and everything's down to taste as long as you approach it with an open mind (some people don't and yes I'm gonna judge them), what's ridiculous is to come up with theories for someone making certain music such as he's doing it to fit in with certain people or to please his wife (yes this has been said) or to please journos at The Guardian instead of accepting the easiest explanation: he's doing it to please himself
You don't like it, that's fair enough, just move on
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Post by matt on May 26, 2021 13:24:10 GMT -5
All your doing is selecting certain quotes from Noel and blowing it up to fit your own agenda. A big reason why some folk dislike Noel's current is that it doesn't suit their narrow expectations of the plodding rock that he became bogged down with and all songs that were influenced by boring old man British rock acts from the 60s and 70s. Thank god he expanded his tastes and stopped giving us crap like Lock All The Doors and Girl With X Ray Eyes. So someone using actual quotes to inform their argument is a negative thing, but making broad implications that people don’t enjoy his recent music because they have narrow expectations and want boring, old man, British rock acts from the 60s and 70s is a good take? In my opinion, he’s just dropped the rock and substituted pop from the 60s and 70s; there’s nothing avant garde about what he’s doing. No there's nothing nearly avant garde about his music and there never was. But the way some folk react negatively to his new music, it's as if he has. There's the dislike at trying something that slightly deviates from the turgid old white man rock rubbish, and the reaction from some folk is as if he's just released a sound collage of field recordings. It just shows how conservative a lot of listeners are when something like If Love Is The Law is deemed offensive to folk. Noel isn't Oasis and his solo career was never intended as carrying on with that. He's ten years into his solo work, and you'll get some folk who love the variety he has finally provided after years of nondescript tunes. |
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Post by cosmos on May 26, 2021 15:01:26 GMT -5
One day you will all find out that everyone can have preferences and everything's down to taste as long as you approach it with an open mind (some people don't and yes I'm gonna judge them), what's ridiculous is to come up with theories for someone making certain music such as he's doing it to fit in with certain people or to please his wife (yes this has been said) or to please journos at The Guardian instead of accepting the easiest explanation: he's doing it to please himself You don't like it, that's fair enough, just move on The person who opened this thread asked people to give their opinions on why HM is hated. And I am just giving my own opinion which includes NG's statements on his own artistic intentions. It seems that the idea of using "quotes" to formulate an idea is way too sophisticated for you and instead you rely on a generic assumption such as he's just pleasing himself. If this way of thinking works for you, great. Just try not to interfere when adults are talking, fanboy. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 26, 2021 15:04:05 GMT -5
One day you will all find out that everyone can have preferences and everything's down to taste as long as you approach it with an open mind (some people don't and yes I'm gonna judge them), what's ridiculous is to come up with theories for someone making certain music such as he's doing it to fit in with certain people or to please his wife (yes this has been said) or to please journos at The Guardian instead of accepting the easiest explanation: he's doing it to please himself You don't like it, that's fair enough, just move on The person who opened this thread asked people to give their opinions on why HM is hated. And I am just giving my own opinion which includes NG's statements on his own artistic intentions. It seems that the idea of using "quotes" to formulate an idea is way too sophisticated for you and instead you rely on a generic assumption such as he's just pleasing himself. If this way of thinking works for you, great. Just try not to interfere when adults are talking, fanboy. Can't see any adults here |
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Post by cosmos on May 26, 2021 15:11:13 GMT -5
So someone using actual quotes to inform their argument is a negative thing, but making broad implications that people don’t enjoy his recent music because they have narrow expectations and want boring, old man, British rock acts from the 60s and 70s is a good take? In my opinion, he’s just dropped the rock and substituted pop from the 60s and 70s; there’s nothing avant garde about what he’s doing. No there's nothing nearly avant garde about his music and there never was. But the way some folk react negatively to his new music, it's as if he has. There's the dislike at trying something that slightly deviates from the turgid old white man rock rubbish, and the reaction from some folk is as if he's just released a sound collage of field recordings. It just shows how conservative a lot of listeners are when something like If Love Is The Law is deemed offensive to folk. Noel isn't Oasis and his solo career was never intended as carrying on with that. He's ten years into his solo work, and you'll get some folk who love the variety he has finally provided after years of nondescript tunes. 1. who is talking about love if the law? focus on the topic, son. 2. "Noel isn't Oasis and his career was..." I challenge you to substantiate this idea. 3. What do you understand with variety? Probably this is the problem as you might have good reasons to believe that using synths and adding an apocalyptic monologue in French is some sort of variety in 2021. |
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Post by dampcottage on May 26, 2021 15:27:24 GMT -5
It's just a fuckin song, I wouldn't think too hard about it...
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 26, 2021 15:57:28 GMT -5
It's just a fuckin song, I wouldn't think too hard about it... I mean yeah, sure, true of everything in life, but isn't that the reason people are on this forum? Presumably, we all get some joy or at least diversion from thinking (sometimes too hard) about Oasis (or just Liam or just Noel or maybe there's even someone on here just to think all day long about Andy Bell ...)  |
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Post by captaincrankshaft on May 27, 2021 6:05:15 GMT -5
Good to see everyone getting along.
So we’re all in agreement then that Holy Mountain is a load of old shite and should never be heard of again, yes?
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 27, 2021 6:24:37 GMT -5
Good to see everyone getting along. So we’re all in agreement then that Holy Mountain is a load of old shite and should never be heard of again, yes? DANCE DANCE IF YOU DO THAT DANCE |
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Post by underneaththesky on May 27, 2021 6:46:43 GMT -5
it's fuckin'great
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Post by captaincrankshaft on May 27, 2021 14:33:17 GMT -5
Don’t start it up again I thought we’d all agreed it’s shite |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 27, 2021 14:52:52 GMT -5
Don’t start it up again I thought we’d all agreed it’s shite We hadn’t. |
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Post by AubreyOasis on May 27, 2021 16:26:17 GMT -5
Good to see everyone getting along. So we’re all in agreement then that Holy Mountain is a load of old shite and should never be heard of again, yes? Actually I think it's the biggest piece of músic in humanity's history, better than Bach, Mozart and Lennon&Mcartney I think we should broadcast it to space as proof of humanity achievements. And I reckon there is a high probability aliens came dancing, dancing doing that dance |
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