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Post by yeayeayeah on Apr 30, 2021 16:38:15 GMT -5
People can't take a joke these days, it's true The fact that the point is overly made by boomers or ignorant idiots doesn't make it less true There's a line between jokes and piss taking and unnecessary insults, both parties apparently have completely forgotten how to tell the difference because reading comprehension is at an all time low as well as the understanding of context but the opportunities to express opinions and make your voice heard have multiplied Is Noel a boomer? Abso-fuckin-lutely, but we tend to be as close-minded in our supposed progressiveness Noel's Gen x, 65-1980 according to Google. His Covid comments are stupid.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 30, 2021 16:45:47 GMT -5
People can't take a joke these days, it's true The fact that the point is overly made by boomers or ignorant idiots doesn't make it less true There's a line between jokes and piss taking and unnecessary insults, both parties apparently have completely forgotten how to tell the difference because reading comprehension is at an all time low as well as the understanding of context but the opportunities to express opinions and make your voice heard have multiplied Is Noel a boomer? Abso-fuckin-lutely, but we tend to be as close-minded in our supposed progressiveness Noel's Gen x, 65-1980 according to Google. His Covid comments are stupid. Metaphorically a boomer, the old man yells at clouds if you prefer And I wasn't talking about the Covid comments?
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Apr 30, 2021 16:46:03 GMT -5
The effort to frame the Oasis fan base as aggressive, stupid and unsophisticated. Well a lot of them are, at least in the UK. There is no denying that. Dissing them is another story, since it's those people that made Oasis. So maybe just saying nothing would be more appropriate. But yeah, many many people at the front were always aggressive, stupid and unsophisticated. There was always two crowds at Oasis gigs. Probably the most divided audience of all the gigs i went to. Noel never belonged to that kind of people, he just happened to have grown up around them. You’re talking about a small minority, and you know nothing of those people in any case. Noel is using that small minority as a shield against any criticism he gets and the interviewer doesn’t challenge it. It’s them not me. That’s his way out.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Apr 30, 2021 16:47:28 GMT -5
He doesn't let Beady Eye write songs for his solo albums. That was one of the main problems with the post Giants work. Out of all the songs they wrote, I'd say only Songbird, Born on a Different Cloud, Turn Up the Sun and I'm Outta Time are album worthy. With Noel singing three songs per album and the others writing 5-6 between them meant we only got 2-3 Noel written/Liam sung songs. Absolutely. We needed more Noel written songs sung by Liam. He didn’t have them. Or if he did, wasn’t willing to put them on an Oasis album.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 30, 2021 16:52:41 GMT -5
Well a lot of them are, at least in the UK. There is no denying that. Dissing them is another story, since it's those people that made Oasis. So maybe just saying nothing would be more appropriate. But yeah, many many people at the front were always aggressive, stupid and unsophisticated. There was always two crowds at Oasis gigs. Probably the most divided audience of all the gigs i went to. Noel never belonged to that kind of people, he just happened to have grown up around them. You’re talking about a small minority, and you know nothing of those people in any case. Noel is using that small minority as a shield against any criticism he gets and the interviewer doesn’t challenge it. It’s them not me. That’s his way out. The Oasis fanbase is not all like that, as shown on this forum Now, part of the Oasis fanbase and sadly the loudest on Social media? Well...
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Post by girllikeabomb on Apr 30, 2021 16:55:48 GMT -5
Man in 50s has the opinions of a man in his 50s. I’m in shock. Truly not this. I know loads of people in their 70s with far more radical thinking and people in their 20s with far more regressive thinking. There might be some shared generational experiences for Gen Xers but age doesn't really play a big role in opinions. It's Noel having the opinions of Noel.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Apr 30, 2021 16:57:43 GMT -5
You’re talking about a small minority, and you know nothing of those people in any case. Noel is using that small minority as a shield against any criticism he gets and the interviewer doesn’t challenge it. It’s them not me. That’s his way out. The Oasis fanbase is not all like that, as shown on this forum Now, part of the Oasis fanbase and sadly the loudest on Social media? Well... And yet the self confessed avoider of social media uses the vocal minority on social media as a gauge of Oasis fans. Come on.
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Post by drummert5 on Apr 30, 2021 16:57:44 GMT -5
Absolutely. We needed more Noel written songs sung by Liam. He didn’t have them. Or if he did, wasn’t willing to put them on an Oasis album. Around the time of DOYS he was asked about that, and he said something like “I’m not singing any fewer, so if you want Liam to sing more of mine then we’ve got to have more of my songs on the album.” Now, that could have been BS, but it made a certain amount of sense.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 30, 2021 17:02:36 GMT -5
The Oasis fanbase is not all like that, as shown on this forum Now, part of the Oasis fanbase and sadly the loudest on Social media? Well... And yet the self confessed avoider of social media uses the vocal minority on social media as a gauge of Oasis fans. Come on. Mate that's where all the reaction's coming from these days, you're gonna be made aware of what people are saying, and I've read thousands of "go back to what you do best Noel" as the nicest thing just cause he used a synthesizer The writer's comments were totally unnecessary, but the point Noel makes stands There's a part, the loudest part, of the Oasis fanbase that enjoys a certain kind of music and won't let you try other stuff, you either stay a slave of that or do whatever the fuck you want, I wish Noel did it with Oasis but he kind of backtracked after SOTSOG, I'm glad he's doing it now even if that's not gonna result in Kid A
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Apr 30, 2021 17:03:45 GMT -5
He didn’t have them. Or if he did, wasn’t willing to put them on an Oasis album. Around the time of DOYS he was asked about that, and he said something like “I’m not singing any fewer, so if you want Liam to sing more of mine then we’ve got to have more of my songs on the album.” Now, that could have been BS, but it made a certain amount of sense. Well he was the boss, apparently, sometimes, depending on what interview you read.
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Post by bt95 on Apr 30, 2021 17:04:12 GMT -5
I love Noel but he's always changing his speech according to the moment. For example, I remember in his first and second tour how he proudly said that he would never stop playing Oasis songs, that they were a part of him. Now he's like 'I didn't have a choice cos I only have one album'. He said half of the songs on 1st solo tour were Oasis' songs because he had only one album, and now with more solo stuff he plays less and less Oasis' material. But, if you go check his recent setlists, he continues to play 8 or 9 Oasis' song per show. Even when he plays smaller gigs with 12 songs, 5 or 6 are Oasis' songs. Maybe he's referring to the future setlists, I don't know, but this speach of playing less and less Oasis' songs nowadays is pure bullshit. Of course he's shortening his catalogue of Oasis' songs usually playing DLBIA, Wonderwall, HTWA, Little by Little and Whatever in the most gigs, but if one day he comes and play a show with 90% of solo songs on the setlist, I'd be totally surprised. Well his last gigs were festivals - he did make the point that he flips it for festivals, and then his own gigs has more of NGHFB songs. Which if you think back to 2018 was definitely the case. 2019 he played big outdoor gigs in the UK and Ireland, and then festivals in Europe and went on that tour with the Pumpkins didn't he.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Apr 30, 2021 17:05:18 GMT -5
And yet the self confessed avoider of social media uses the vocal minority on social media as a gauge of Oasis fans. Come on. Mate that's where all the reaction's coming from these days, you're gonna be made aware of what people are saying, and I've read thousands of "go back to what you do best Noel" as the nicest thing just cause he used a synthesizer The writer's comments were totally unnecessary, but the point Noel makes stands There's a part, the loudest part, of the Oasis fanbase that enjoys a certain kind of music and won't let you try other stuff, you either stay a slave of that or do whatever the fuck you want, I wish Noel did it with Oasis but he kind of backtracked after SOTSOG, I'm glad he's doing it now even if that's not gonna result in Kid A Do you believe Noel to be an intelligent man?
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 30, 2021 17:08:21 GMT -5
Mate that's where all the reaction's coming from these days, you're gonna be made aware of what people are saying, and I've read thousands of "go back to what you do best Noel" as the nicest thing just cause he used a synthesizer The writer's comments were totally unnecessary, but the point Noel makes stands There's a part, the loudest part, of the Oasis fanbase that enjoys a certain kind of music and won't let you try other stuff, you either stay a slave of that or do whatever the fuck you want, I wish Noel did it with Oasis but he kind of backtracked after SOTSOG, I'm glad he's doing it now even if that's not gonna result in Kid A Do you believe Noel to be an intelligent man? Yes, where are we going with this?
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Post by bt95 on Apr 30, 2021 17:08:41 GMT -5
I thought some of the comments in his interview with typical contrary Noel but other points I agree with.
The bit about what he took from the Creation Stories film really hit home. And yes I know - as Noel will - that that's not 100% true or anything. But I made exactly the same point to my mate after watching it - all the spontaneity is gone from life (especially now with the impact of the pandemic - when everything has to be planned). It was already bad. Every gig you went to pre-COVID had to be booked six months in advance. Everything thought through, checked, pre-done etc. The only spontaneous thing I managed was snagging those guest list tickets for Liam in Manchester in 2019 - right place right time etc.
On a wider scale, in music, it's spot on. How can anything different happen when everything has to be planned so far in advance? And now the venues are gone and a lot won't come back, not just because of COVID. Now we're gonna have to take 2-3 tests just to go to a gig (and look, that's the way it's gonna be, is what it is, we deal with it, it's not the end of the world) but it's a pretty bleak picture.
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Post by bt95 on Apr 30, 2021 17:09:24 GMT -5
Do you believe Noel to be an intelligent man? Yes, where are we going with this? Something, something, Tory
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Apr 30, 2021 17:29:05 GMT -5
Do you believe Noel to be an intelligent man? Yes, where are we going with this? Well if he is, he like the rest of us can understand that some loud mouths on Twitter don’t represent the vast majority of Oasis fans. Unless of course he’s doing it for another purpose.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Apr 30, 2021 17:35:27 GMT -5
Yes, where are we going with this? Something, something, Tory Alright James Melville 😂 The Tory thing goes without saying to be fair.
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Post by bt95 on Apr 30, 2021 17:56:07 GMT -5
Something, something, Tory Alright James Melville 😂 The Tory thing goes without saying to be fair. God, know it's a joke but please, of all the people, don't compare me to that freak Melville
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Post by yeayeayeah on May 1, 2021 1:01:39 GMT -5
Absolutely. We needed more Noel written songs sung by Liam. He didn’t have them. Or if he did, wasn’t willing to put them on an Oasis album. He definitely had them during DOYS. He did seem unwilling to use them on an Oasis album. That story of why Come On Outside being left off was bullshit.
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Post by andymorris on May 1, 2021 1:12:59 GMT -5
Well a lot of them are, at least in the UK. There is no denying that. Dissing them is another story, since it's those people that made Oasis. So maybe just saying nothing would be more appropriate. But yeah, many many people at the front were always aggressive, stupid and unsophisticated. There was always two crowds at Oasis gigs. Probably the most divided audience of all the gigs i went to. Noel never belonged to that kind of people, he just happened to have grown up around them. You’re talking about a small minority, and you know nothing of those people in any case. Noel is using that small minority as a shield against any criticism he gets and the interviewer doesn’t challenge it. It’s them not me. That’s his way out. Small minority or not, that's the people Noel saw at the front of every gig in the UK in the heyday of Oasis. That's his view on his fans because they were the hardcore ones and that's the people he could see. He didn't see the quiet ones at the back, only football hooligans and screaming teens. They weren't a small minority by the way. I'd say 1/3 of the audience back then was kinda like he described. Sure i dont know them, but hey, if you throw piss in a cup at other people that doesn't really show any sign of intelligence whatsoever. So at least stupid and unsophisticated. With the beer flowing, some were agressive, some were soft a kittens. So 2 outta 3 right.
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Post by GlastoEls on May 1, 2021 2:49:56 GMT -5
Agree, I do prefer any NGHFB álbum over any post BHN Oasis album (I am not considering Masterplan as post BHN). Something happened to Noel's songwriting during that period. Imo, his solo albums are much more consistent in overall quality He doesn't let Beady Eye write songs for his solo albums. That was one of the main problems with the post Giants work. Out of all the songs they wrote, I'd say only Songbird, Born on a Different Cloud, Turn Up the Sun and I'm Outta Time are album worthy. With Noel singing three songs per album and the others writing 5-6 between them meant we only got 2-3 Noel written/Liam sung songs. This x100.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 1, 2021 3:35:54 GMT -5
He didn’t have them. Or if he did, wasn’t willing to put them on an Oasis album. He definitely had them during DOYS. He did seem unwilling to use them on an Oasis album. That story of why Come On Outside being left off was bullshit. TBH I think Liam leaving to get married in the middle of the sessions was the end of oasis. Obviously I can’t prove it but I think that’s where Noel decided he was done after that album and tour. That’s why he didn’t finish off songs like Record Machine and Come On. He decided to keep them as potential solo songs. The fight in Paris was THE end but if they’d finished the tour I think Noel would still have called time.
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Post by bt95 on May 1, 2021 4:08:57 GMT -5
He definitely had them during DOYS. He did seem unwilling to use them on an Oasis album. That story of why Come On Outside being left off was bullshit. TBH I think Liam leaving to get married in the middle of the sessions was the end of oasis. Obviously I can’t prove it but I think that’s where Noel decided he was done after that album and tour. That’s why he didn’t finish off songs like Record Machine and Come On. He decided to keep them as potential solo songs. The fight in Paris was THE end but if they’d finished the tour I think Noel would still have called time. Something definitely happened in (or around) the recording of DOYS that preluded all of the BS on that tour. Not saying which party is in the right or wrong (probably both in the wrong), but something changed in the dynamic. I regularly watch the LDSMD doc back and, even in that band commentary thing, you can definitely tell they're probably getting a long as well as they ever did (so that will have been around 06-07).
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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 1, 2021 5:10:05 GMT -5
TBH I think Liam leaving to get married in the middle of the sessions was the end of oasis. Obviously I can’t prove it but I think that’s where Noel decided he was done after that album and tour. That’s why he didn’t finish off songs like Record Machine and Come On. He decided to keep them as potential solo songs. The fight in Paris was THE end but if they’d finished the tour I think Noel would still have called time. Something definitely happened in (or around) the recording of DOYS that preluded all of the BS on that tour. Not saying which party is in the right or wrong (probably both in the wrong), but something changed in the dynamic. I regularly watch the LDSMD doc back and, even in that band commentary thing, you can definitely tell they're probably getting a long as well as they ever did (so that will have been around 06-07). I dunno if I’d even bother to try and lay the blame at one in particular. I just assume it was the straw that broke the camel’s back. They’re both assholes to one another. But Noel is producing music that is his best since Morning Glory. He hasn’t been this consistent since those days. For those who like’s Liam’s stuff they’ve got that too. We’re probably in the best case scenario for 2021 with regards to Gallagher’s creating music.
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Post by Flashbax on May 1, 2021 6:59:25 GMT -5
The Liam running off and get married thing is another bullshit story from Noel. Noel spoke very positive about Liam in his blog. This changed early 2009.
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