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Post by defmaybe00 on May 5, 2021 19:24:21 GMT -5
The way he refers to Oasis fans as basically unable to grasp the concept of a black girl and French girl in his group because of their laddish attitude. Why not just fucking say all Oasis fans are loutish, racist knuckle draggers Noel and be done with it. He's got the same elitist, looking-down-the-nose attitude that all them middle class Pitchfork esque reviewers had to towards Oasis, but now its the man who wrote all the songs saying it! I think it's Noel telling on himself a bit. He's gone on about how he doesn't "read books", or how he's unsophisticated, so when he congratulates himself on this supposed open-mindedness, he's really exposing how blinkered some of his perspectives are, or used to be. "Wow, I've got two girls in my band!" Fleetwood Mac are impressed, Noel. I think this is true in a way, but it's also deeper I believe while in Oasis he felt that pressure, some of it was just to do with his own mind, some of it was because of fans, some (arguably the most, but I don't want to turn this into a sociology essay) of it was because of the context he grew up into and it's hard to shake it off (which doesn't mean forgetting your roots as some think), they had to be a straightforward working class band or and look like it and that was it, and it got to a point where they couldn't get out of the boundaries they imposed to themselves and Noel as a writer and leader kinda succumbed to it We know the band, and we know their songs, so we know they weren't *just* that and there's a deeper layer to them, but it's almost as if what made them special and so relatable to the eyes of the public at first also started weighing on them artistically and personally, because you're not allowed to evolve and grow without the fear of alienating the public or breaking out of the image that has now been forever attached to you I don't think he feels that pressure anymore and that's one of the things I believe he most treasures about being a solo artist He's not gonna do anything revolutionary, because that's just not who he is But he's allowed himself to expand his horizons and just do whatever the fuck he wants without overthinking if it's all fitting enough for his charachter and whatever his audience may be That may result in just having girls in his bands and using dance beats for the rest of his career, nothing that has not been done thousands of times before, but I can see why the act in itself would be more meaningful to him than what it looks like to us Now enough of playing psychologist on the internet in a foreign language, have a good night
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Post by ricardogce on May 5, 2021 22:50:39 GMT -5
I think it's Noel telling on himself a bit. He's gone on about how he doesn't "read books", or how he's unsophisticated, so when he congratulates himself on this supposed open-mindedness, he's really exposing how blinkered some of his perspectives are, or used to be. "Wow, I've got two girls in my band!" Fleetwood Mac are impressed, Noel. I think this is true in a way, but it's also deeper I believe while in Oasis he felt that pressure, some of it was just to do with his own mind, some of it was because of fans, some (arguably the most, but I don't want to turn this into a sociology essay) of it was because of the context he grew up into and it's hard to shake it off (which doesn't mean forgetting your roots as some think), they had to be a straightforward working class band or and look like it and that was it, and it got to a point where they couldn't get out of the boundaries they imposed to themselves and Noel as a writer and leader kinda succumbed to it We know the band, and we know their songs, so we know they weren't *just* that and there's a deeper layer to them, but it's almost as if what made them special and so relatable to the eyes of the public at first also started weighing on them artistically and personally, because you're not allowed to evolve and grow without the fear of alienating the public or breaking out of the image that has now been forever attached to you I don't think he feels that pressure anymore and that's one of the things I believe he most treasures about being a solo artist He's not gonna do anything revolutionary, because that's just not who he is But he's allowed himself to expand his horizons and just do whatever the fuck he wants without overthinking if it's all fitting enough for his charachter and whatever his audience may be That may result in just having girls in his bands and using dance beats for the rest of his career, nothing that has not been done thousands of times before, but I can see why the act in itself would be more meaningful to him than what it looks like to us Now enough of playing psychologist on the internet in a foreign language, have a good night Those are very good points!
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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 6, 2021 3:07:28 GMT -5
I think it's Noel telling on himself a bit. He's gone on about how he doesn't "read books", or how he's unsophisticated, so when he congratulates himself on this supposed open-mindedness, he's really exposing how blinkered some of his perspectives are, or used to be. "Wow, I've got two girls in my band!" Fleetwood Mac are impressed, Noel. I think this is true in a way, but it's also deeper I believe while in Oasis he felt that pressure, some of it was just to do with his own mind, some of it was because of fans, some (arguably the most, but I don't want to turn this into a sociology essay) of it was because of the context he grew up into and it's hard to shake it off (which doesn't mean forgetting your roots as some think), they had to be a straightforward working class band or and look like it and that was it, and it got to a point where they couldn't get out of the boundaries they imposed to themselves and Noel as a writer and leader kinda succumbed to it We know the band, and we know their songs, so we know they weren't *just* that and there's a deeper layer to them, but it's almost as if what made them special and so relatable to the eyes of the public at first also started weighing on them artistically and personally, because you're not allowed to evolve and grow without the fear of alienating the public or breaking out of the image that has now been forever attached to you I don't think he feels that pressure anymore and that's one of the things I believe he most treasures about being a solo artist He's not gonna do anything revolutionary, because that's just not who he is But he's allowed himself to expand his horizons and just do whatever the fuck he wants without overthinking if it's all fitting enough for his charachter and whatever his audience may be That may result in just having girls in his bands and using dance beats for the rest of his career, nothing that has not been done thousands of times before, but I can see why the act in itself would be more meaningful to him than what it looks like to us Now enough of playing psychologist on the internet in a foreign language, have a good night Excellent post.
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Post by bt95 on May 6, 2021 16:15:16 GMT -5
"Because Thatcherism had coloured all our lives, which was still prevalent with John Major, when Tony Blair came along and I heard him speak I thought – and I still think to this day – he was great. He’s the last person that made any sense to me. The third way, or centrist politics, was a new thing. I was like, “That is fucking really clever.” I started meeting them at various awards ceremonies. John Prescott was a bit of a cartoon character, but I thought the rest of them were all right." Sorry Noel, there's nothing clever about Third-way politics or centrism. Anyways, interesting interview. I loved the discussion of the 1990s and the challenges that came after Be Here Now. Noel taking potshots at socialists is a bit embarrassing though. Depends on your view. Looking back, in hindsight, then yes, it was a disaster. At the time, everybody clearly got pretty caught up in it. And it worked. Had the last Labour leader had half the nous as Blair (or his advisors) did on actually getting in power, we might have a decent government right now.
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Post by bt95 on May 6, 2021 16:16:55 GMT -5
Haha yeah point taken The other recent example for me was his Songwriters programme on Sky Arts. It was from 2017 but I only caught it last week. Anyone at one point Noel says with a straight face that he’s “an ordinary guy with an extraordinary gift”. He’s not wrong but you don’t actually talk about yourself like that! It’s not the British way mate - stick to sarcastic self deprecation please I mean he was on a show about being a great songwriter... Be weird if he said "actually, i'm shite" As for him not meeting Weller until he was 27... well he's now what, 53 (54 in a few weeks)? That's half of his life. Pretty sure that's 'oldest friends' territory
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