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Post by His Royal Noelness on Apr 29, 2021 17:00:20 GMT -5
"In the same way many heretical Paul Weller fans prefer The Style Council to his earlier incarnation in The Jam, so there is a growing constituency who far prefer Noel Gallagher’s work with his High Flying Birds, work that has a greater subtlety and far more complexion than the stag weekend rabble rousers he used to churn out for Oasis." Sorry, would you care to name any of these people? If I had to choose between post Morning Glory oasis and Noel’s solo stuff I would definitely go with the latter. But 94-96 oasis will always be the best.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 29, 2021 17:08:27 GMT -5
"In the same way many heretical Paul Weller fans prefer The Style Council to his earlier incarnation in The Jam, so there is a growing constituency who far prefer Noel Gallagher’s work with his High Flying Birds, work that has a greater subtlety and far more complexion than the stag weekend rabble rousers he used to churn out for Oasis." Sorry, would you care to name any of these people? If I had to choose between post Morning Glory oasis and Noel’s solo stuff I would definitely go with the latter. But 94-96 oasis will always be the best. I second this, considering the two catalogues as a whole I know Oasis are Oasis and all that but I find myself listening to NGHFB way more than post-BHN Oasis First two albums and b-sides are untouchable by anyone
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Post by girllikeabomb on Apr 29, 2021 17:14:59 GMT -5
"In the same way many heretical Paul Weller fans prefer The Style Council to his earlier incarnation in The Jam, so there is a growing constituency who far prefer Noel Gallagher’s work with his High Flying Birds, work that has a greater subtlety and far more complexion than the stag weekend rabble rousers he used to churn out for Oasis." Sorry, would you care to name any of these people? Also annoying to a writer because he misused "complexion" (which means the texture of one's skin) when I think he meant complexity. Noel's complexion is fine but was even prettier back when he was writing ....er, "stag weekend rabble rousers."
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Post by AubreyOasis on Apr 29, 2021 17:27:39 GMT -5
If I had to choose between post Morning Glory oasis and Noel’s solo stuff I would definitely go with the latter. But 94-96 oasis will always be the best. I second this, considering the two catalogues as a whole I know Oasis are Oasis and all that but I find myself listening to NGHFB way more than post-BHN Oasis First two albums and b-sides are untouchable by anyone Agree, I do prefer any NGHFB álbum over any post BHN Oasis album (I am not considering Masterplan as post BHN). Something happened to Noel's songwriting during that period. Imo, his solo albums are much more consistent in overall quality
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Apr 30, 2021 2:12:15 GMT -5
"In the same way many heretical Paul Weller fans prefer The Style Council to his earlier incarnation in The Jam, so there is a growing constituency who far prefer Noel Gallagher’s work with his High Flying Birds, work that has a greater subtlety and far more complexion than the stag weekend rabble rousers he used to churn out for Oasis." Sorry, would you care to name any of these people? It’s all part of the narrative that’s being spun. When Noel gets down to it with what seems to be a client journalist it’s even more noticeable. The effort to frame the Oasis fan base as aggressive, stupid and unsophisticated. It always amazes me just how different Noel Gallagher thinks Noel Gallagher’s solo career has been.
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Post by andymorris on Apr 30, 2021 2:19:57 GMT -5
The effort to frame the Oasis fan base as aggressive, stupid and unsophisticated. Well a lot of them are, at least in the UK. There is no denying that. Dissing them is another story, since it's those people that made Oasis. So maybe just saying nothing would be more appropriate. But yeah, many many people at the front were always aggressive, stupid and unsophisticated. There was always two crowds at Oasis gigs. Probably the most divided audience of all the gigs i went to. Noel never belonged to that kind of people, he just happened to have grown up around them.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Apr 30, 2021 3:03:26 GMT -5
The effort to frame the Oasis fan base as aggressive, stupid and unsophisticated. Well a lot of them are, at least in the UK. There is no denying that. Dissing them is another story, since it's those people that made Oasis. So maybe just saying nothing would be more appropriate. But yeah, many many people at the front were always aggressive, stupid and unsophisticated. There was always two crowds at Oasis gigs. Probably the most divided audience of all the gigs i went to. Noel never belonged to that kind of people, he just happened to have grown up around them. I don't think I'm qualified to say what kind of people Noel belongs to, but it does not seem to be the kind of people who say nothing when it would be more appropriate.
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Post by andymorris on Apr 30, 2021 3:14:28 GMT -5
Well a lot of them are, at least in the UK. There is no denying that. Dissing them is another story, since it's those people that made Oasis. So maybe just saying nothing would be more appropriate. But yeah, many many people at the front were always aggressive, stupid and unsophisticated. There was always two crowds at Oasis gigs. Probably the most divided audience of all the gigs i went to. Noel never belonged to that kind of people, he just happened to have grown up around them. I don't think I'm qualified to say what kind of people Noel belongs to, but it does not seem to be the kind of people who say nothing when it would be more appropriate. Well the goal of an interview is to be widespread across medias, and that wont happen saying nice things.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Apr 30, 2021 3:22:37 GMT -5
Go look at the comments on any of Noel’s socials and you’ll see plenty of example of the idiots Noel is talking about.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Apr 30, 2021 3:43:00 GMT -5
I don't think I'm qualified to say what kind of people Noel belongs to, but it does not seem to be the kind of people who say nothing when it would be more appropriate. Well the goal of an interview is to be widespread across medias, and that wont happen saying nice things. Nah, technically, the goal of these interviews is to sell his new record. Don't think disgruntled comments about Oasis fans are going to get him any extra or useful press. He's just being honest and people might feel a lot of different ways about that. (Not that he hasn't said this stuff before --the only news is is that his feelings haven't changed.) Or maybe he think Oasis fans are unlikely to read GQ, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 4:01:12 GMT -5
Go look at the comments on any of Noel’s socials and you’ll see plenty of example of the idiots Noel is talking about. That's what social media is unfortunately, full of negativity. But is that how most Oasis fans are in real life with Noel too? I've only been to Liam's gigs and the crowds there have been fine, more hipster than laddish.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Apr 30, 2021 4:45:13 GMT -5
Go look at the comments on any of Noel’s socials and you’ll see plenty of example of the idiots Noel is talking about. That's what social media is unfortunately, full of negativity. But is that how most Oasis fans are in real life with Noel too? I've only been to Liam's gigs and the crowds there have been fine, more hipster than laddish. It’s what social media can be but it’s not representative of every social media page. There’s a lot of people with no interest in Noel’s solo stuff posting abuse under every post. It’s sad. And I’ve definitely heard heckles at gigs but I’m not going to hear everything Noel hears on stage. There are lots of oasis fans giving Noel grief for his WBTM? era solo stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 5:58:34 GMT -5
That's what social media is unfortunately, full of negativity. But is that how most Oasis fans are in real life with Noel too? I've only been to Liam's gigs and the crowds there have been fine, more hipster than laddish. It’s what social media can be but it’s not representative of every social media page. There’s a lot of people with no interest in Noel’s solo stuff posting abuse under every post. It’s sad. And I’ve definitely heard heckles at gigs but I’m not going to hear everything Noel hears on stage. There are lots of oasis fans giving Noel grief for his WBTM? era solo stuff. Yeah that's stupid. I don't really like WBTM? stuff either, but I have no need to tell Noel that or go on about things I don't like on social media.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 30, 2021 6:12:00 GMT -5
It’s what social media can be but it’s not representative of every social media page. There’s a lot of people with no interest in Noel’s solo stuff posting abuse under every post. It’s sad. And I’ve definitely heard heckles at gigs but I’m not going to hear everything Noel hears on stage. There are lots of oasis fans giving Noel grief for his WBTM? era solo stuff. Yeah that's stupid. I don't really like WBTM? stuff either, but I have no need to tell Noel that or go on about things I don't like on social media. That's an incredibly stupid tendency people have these days, just post hate and abuse directly towards someone/something they don't like, seems they spend more time bothering with what they have negative feelings for than positive ones, Oasis fans on social media are definitely prone to that, especially as it seems *cool* to hate on Noel on those platforms lately I guess it makes them feel better with their little useless lives
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Post by quantum on Apr 30, 2021 7:59:11 GMT -5
Do these people hate because they're disappointed?
It's no excuse, but with every new album there's a hope that some of it will be similar to 90s Oasis? The first 2 NGHFB albums had bits, but WBTM - as Noel said - "threw the cards up in the air", so was completely alien to hardcore Oasis fans.
I was a massive Oasis fan in the 90s, but had drifted away by the time HC came out. Over the last year, I've rediscovered my love for Oasis, and listened to each NGHFB album for the first time. I would say I like half of the first 2 NGHFB albums, but very little on WBTM. However, I don't feel the need to try and personally tell Noel this :-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 9:28:36 GMT -5
"In the same way many heretical Paul Weller fans prefer The Style Council to his earlier incarnation in The Jam, so there is a growing constituency who far prefer Noel Gallagher’s work with his High Flying Birds, work that has a greater subtlety and far more complexion than the stag weekend rabble rousers he used to churn out for Oasis." Sorry, would you care to name any of these people? It’s all part of the narrative that’s being spun. When Noel gets down to it with what seems to be a client journalist it’s even more noticeable. The effort to frame the Oasis fan base as aggressive, stupid and unsophisticated. It always amazes me just how different Noel Gallagher thinks Noel Gallagher’s solo career has been. Agree. It's a terribly written article, by an utter simp, full of all Noel's invented tropes about how Oasis fans can't cope with having girls in his band etc.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 30, 2021 9:34:18 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure as it's an interview you could just avoid reading the writer's personal comments, but what do I know
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 30, 2021 9:36:23 GMT -5
Do these people hate because they're disappointed? It's no excuse, but with every new album there's a hope that some of it will be similar to 90s Oasis? The first 2 NGHFB albums had bits, but WBTM - as Noel said - "threw the cards up in the air", so was completely alien to hardcore Oasis fans. I was a massive Oasis fan in the 90s, but had drifted away by the time HC came out. Over the last year, I've rediscovered my love for Oasis, and listened to each NGHFB album for the first time. I would say I like half of the first 2 NGHFB albums, but very little on WBTM. However, I don't feel the need to try and personally tell Noel this :-) As I said I don't think it's just Oasis fans, it's the way people can't handle the fucking rights and freedom that the internet has given them It's the same as idiots going under footballers profiles/tweets or sending them DMs to insult them, I mean I get you can be disappointed with their performances but there's absolutely no need to cross the line and be an utter prick
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 30, 2021 15:08:38 GMT -5
Noel comes across alright, I suppose a whole interview without at least one boomer comment is a bit too much to ask anyway. This week it's "no phones, just living in the moment", and I fully expect a quip about how they don't make comedy like they used to because everyone's too easily offended or some such bollocks in the near future.
That interviewer, though. Does he actually like the band Noel's from? I can't stand the idea that all Oasis songs are beery anthems and all Oasis fans are Lads (TM) who have five cans of Dark Fruits a night and a back collection of Nuts magazine. Listen to a song like Roll it Over, Talk Tonight, Hey Now!, and tell me Oasis had no subtlety or emotional impact. You don't have to make sad songs to be meaningful, but because Oasis' sadness is often blended in with joyous noise, tonnes of music critics fail to notice it. They seem to think Oasis just made Roll With it constantly. Yes, they made songs that sound great on a night out, and yes, some of their fans are knobheads. But those things were never - and should never be - what defined them.
Anyway, nice to see he's fonder of Be Here Now than he used to be.
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Post by Derrick on Apr 30, 2021 15:55:31 GMT -5
Noel comes across alright, I suppose a whole interview without at least one boomer comment is a bit too much to ask anyway. This week it's "no phones, just living in the moment", and I fully expect a quip about how they don't make comedy like they used to because everyone's too easily offended or some such bollocks in the near future.Noel didn't want to make you wait until the near future, actually : "The 1990s now is revered as probably the last great decade when we were free, because the internet had not enslaved us all and driven the world’s neurosis to the point of fucking paralysis, where you can’t say or be or do or suggest or take the piss out of or be irreverent to anything or any fucking section of society. Whereas back then, it was fucking spontaneous. Everything was spontaneous and off the cuff, particularly in my life. I didn’t think about anything. And now everything is thought out."
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 30, 2021 16:08:40 GMT -5
Noel comes across alright, I suppose a whole interview without at least one boomer comment is a bit too much to ask anyway. This week it's "no phones, just living in the moment", and I fully expect a quip about how they don't make comedy like they used to because everyone's too easily offended or some such bollocks in the near future.Noel didn't want to make you wait until the near future, actually : "The 1990s now is revered as probably the last great decade when we were free, because the internet had not enslaved us all and driven the world’s neurosis to the point of fucking paralysis, where you can’t say or be or do or suggest or take the piss out of or be irreverent to anything or any fucking section of society. Whereas back then, it was fucking spontaneous. Everything was spontaneous and off the cuff, particularly in my life. I didn’t think about anything. And now everything is thought out." Someone should make a Boomer Noel bingo card. Has he made any "I identify as a helicopter / millions of genders" type comments yet? I reckon that could be the full house when he does. In fairness to him, she hasn't fallen into I-hate-my-wife thing that middle-aged guys usually love; his constant adoration for his partner is one of most endearing things about him these days.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 30, 2021 16:21:03 GMT -5
People can't take a joke these days, it's true
The fact that the point is overly made by boomers or ignorant idiots doesn't make it less true
There's a line between jokes and piss taking and unnecessary insults, both parties apparently have completely forgotten how to tell the difference because reading comprehension is at an all time low as well as the understanding of context but the opportunities to express opinions and make your voice heard have multiplied
Is Noel a boomer? Abso-fuckin-lutely, but we tend to be as close-minded in our supposed progressiveness
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Apr 30, 2021 16:24:13 GMT -5
Man in 50s has the opinions of a man in his 50s.
I’m in shock.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Apr 30, 2021 16:34:24 GMT -5
I second this, considering the two catalogues as a whole I know Oasis are Oasis and all that but I find myself listening to NGHFB way more than post-BHN Oasis First two albums and b-sides are untouchable by anyone Agree, I do prefer any NGHFB álbum over any post BHN Oasis album (I am not considering Masterplan as post BHN). Something happened to Noel's songwriting during that period. Imo, his solo albums are much more consistent in overall quality He doesn't let Beady Eye write songs for his solo albums. That was one of the main problems with the post Giants work. Out of all the songs they wrote, I'd say only Songbird, Born on a Different Cloud, Turn Up the Sun and I'm Outta Time are album worthy. With Noel singing three songs per album and the others writing 5-6 between them meant we only got 2-3 Noel written/Liam sung songs.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Apr 30, 2021 16:35:56 GMT -5
Agree, I do prefer any NGHFB álbum over any post BHN Oasis album (I am not considering Masterplan as post BHN). Something happened to Noel's songwriting during that period. Imo, his solo albums are much more consistent in overall quality He doesn't let Beady Eye write songs for his solo albums. That was one of the main problems with the post Giants work. Out of all the songs they wrote, I'd say only Songbird, Born on a Different Cloud, Turn Up the Sun and I'm Outta Time are album worthy. With Noel singing three songs per album and the others writing 5-6 between them meant we only got 2-3 Noel written/Liam sung songs. Absolutely. We needed more Noel written songs sung by Liam.
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