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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 20:58:29 GMT -5
The 10th anniversary of NGHFB next October is fast approaching now. It was suggested all those years ago that those elusive AA recordings could be released as part of a 2021 reissue. Do we think there is actually any chance of this happening?
Also, its not just the anniversary of the album, but of the entire project. So a release to mark the occasion isn’t limited to that LP. He could release a live album, or a best of compilation (including the EP tracks on cd for the first time) with the AA recordings as a bonus disk. This would give the collectors some new packaging to buy and enjoy.
Oh and also its a travesty that Faster Than The Speed Of Magic is not available to download or stream!! His management should definitely look into adding that.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Jul 13, 2020 21:41:18 GMT -5
It's crazy it's been 10 years. I'm getting old!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 13, 2020 22:58:21 GMT -5
The 10th anniversary of NGHFB next October is fast approaching now. It was suggested all those years ago that those elusive AA recordings could be released as part of a 2021 reissue. Do we think there is actually any chance of this happening? Also, its not just the anniversary of the album, but of the entire project. So a release to mark the occasion isn’t limited to that LP. He could release a live album, or a best of compilation (including the EP tracks on cd for the first time) with the AA recordings as a bonus disk. This would give the collectors some new packaging to buy and enjoy. Oh and also its a travesty that Faster Than The Speed Of Magic is not available to download or stream!! His management should definitely look into adding that. 10 years already? Fucking hell....................................................................... |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jul 13, 2020 23:09:37 GMT -5
HIGH times
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Post by Jessica on Jul 14, 2020 0:02:45 GMT -5
The singles did actually come out on CD then. It was weird that the first Beady Eye album ones didn't but his did...
Think as far as the AA stuff goes, it's just going to be the Shoot a Hole into the Sun/What A Life remixes. There's also the UNKLE mixes of WAL and LTLSALOM he could stick in there.
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Post by morning_rain on Jul 15, 2020 3:34:41 GMT -5
Still the strongest post-Oasis release for me. I'm all for an anniversary edition, but I think it's probably too soon.
I remember avoiding any leaks and listening to my CD on release day at home, first some seconds in silence and then the choir from EIOTR kicks in. Brings great memories of my last years in university.
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 15, 2020 5:23:36 GMT -5
Can't believe it's nearly 10 year since this record was released. Time flies.
2011 was a bit weird - Witnessing the first gigs of Beady Eye and the first solo gig by Noel 2 years later when I saw Oasis for the last time. Still loving this album.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 19, 2020 12:22:22 GMT -5
I remember going into Best Buy on the release day, and they didn’t have it!
America, you don’t deserve Noel anyway.
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 19, 2020 16:12:24 GMT -5
I remember going into Best Buy on the release day, and they didn’t have it! America, you don’t deserve Noel anyway. “Not having the album on release day“, Best Buy looks like Liam’s official store  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 19, 2020 22:02:29 GMT -5
I remember going into Best Buy on the release day, and they didn’t have it! America, you don’t deserve Noel anyway. Best Buy? 2011? What is wrong with you!?!?!?!?!?!?!??! |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 22, 2020 3:57:32 GMT -5
Holy shit, 10 years already.
Although the production leaves a lot to be desired (but that's been discussed to death), I still think it's his strongest collection of songs when you look at his solo albums and the album I've listened to the most.
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Post by draper on Jul 22, 2020 5:09:10 GMT -5
October 2011 so it's not 10 years until next year or am I missing something?  |
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Post by robg1979 on Jul 22, 2020 6:45:21 GMT -5
October 2011 so it's not 10 years until next year or am I missing something? To be fair is is a tad premature when it hasn't even had its 9th anniversary yet. But saying that 8 years 9 months anniversary as a thread title doesn't quite have the same ring as 10 years does it?? |
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Post by Bellboy on Jul 22, 2020 7:42:35 GMT -5
Listened to this on Vinyl the other day. I Love this album!
If there is a release I can't see the AA stuff being included. I can see Noel milking the fans otherwise
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 22, 2020 7:49:27 GMT -5
Listened to this on Vinyl the other day. I Love this album! If there is a release I can't see the AA stuff being included. I can see Noel milking the fans otherwise It’s amazing how I looked more forward to the AA album more than the Sardy album. A decade later still no AA. It’s probably shit like Noel says. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 22, 2020 9:00:03 GMT -5
Good record. The Death of You and Me, Broken Arrow, and What a Life are three of the best post-Oasis songs we've got from the brothers G.
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Post by oasisunited on Jul 22, 2020 10:03:24 GMT -5
Listened to this on Vinyl the other day. I Love this album! If there is a release I can't see the AA stuff being included. I can see Noel milking the fans otherwise It’s amazing how I looked more forward to the AA album more than the Sardy album. A decade later still no AA. It’s probably shit like Noel says. I think that's just a cover story. What little that we have heard sounds all right -- at least good enough to be released as b-sides, etc. He has said more recently that the problem was that the AA guys wanted to have him record bits and then they would go off and stitch it together, an approach that Noel was not happy with. The AA guys have also said that working with Noel was difficult, which seems to corroborate the idea that disputes about the process is what really sunk it. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 22, 2020 12:02:22 GMT -5
It’s amazing how I looked more forward to the AA album more than the Sardy album. A decade later still no AA. It’s probably shit like Noel says. I think that's just a cover story. What little that we have heard sounds all right -- at least good enough to be released as b-sides, etc. He has said more recently that the problem was that the AA guys wanted to have him record bits and then they would go off and stitch it together, an approach that Noel was not happy with. The AA guys have also said that working with Noel was difficult, which seems to corroborate the idea that disputes about the process is what really sunk it. I agree, what we have heard from the project I did like sonically. I’m sure Noel is a mega super hyper control freak and wouldn’t allow those guys to properly do what they normally do. It wasn’t a good marriage because of it. It’s a great idea but the execution was off. Would love for a bonus disc inclusion for HFB 10th Anniversary but realize that is def low chances. Even a record store day drop would be interesting. Low pressure. Nobody takes those releases that serious. More a reward for diehards which is what the AA sessions are. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 12:30:19 GMT -5
October 2011 so it's not 10 years until next year or am I missing something? Just getting the discussion up early. The Mustique demos only ever came out because of this forum so its worth a chance seeing what people want, and you never know might get it. |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 22, 2020 22:10:03 GMT -5
It’s amazing how I looked more forward to the AA album more than the Sardy album. A decade later still no AA. It’s probably shit like Noel says. I think that's just a cover story. What little that we have heard sounds all right -- at least good enough to be released as b-sides, etc. He has said more recently that the problem was that the AA guys wanted to have him record bits and then they would go off and stitch it together, an approach that Noel was not happy with. The AA guys have also said that working with Noel was difficult, which seems to corroborate the idea that disputes about the process is what really sunk it. I really do take Noel at face value on this. Is it shit? Eh, probably not. But not shit and good enough to release are two different things. And for something that seemed like an album that was really supposed to be a cohesive concept kind of work, why would he want to break it up into parcels anyways? Plus, music is a money making business. No one spends a boatload of money producing an album, only to shelve it and eat the cost, if it's worth releasing. |
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Post by oasisunited on Jul 23, 2020 5:28:33 GMT -5
I think that's just a cover story. What little that we have heard sounds all right -- at least good enough to be released as b-sides, etc. He has said more recently that the problem was that the AA guys wanted to have him record bits and then they would go off and stitch it together, an approach that Noel was not happy with. The AA guys have also said that working with Noel was difficult, which seems to corroborate the idea that disputes about the process is what really sunk it. I really do take Noel at face value on this. Is it shit? Eh, probably not. But not shit and good enough to release are two different things. And for something that seemed like an album that was really supposed to be a cohesive concept kind of work, why would he want to break it up into parcels anyways? Plus, music is a money making business. No one spends a boatload of money producing an album, only to shelve it and eat the cost, if it's worth releasing. I think that we are kind of saying the same thing in a way. At the end of the day, if he felt that he didn't have enough control over the process because of how AA wanted to do it and as a result, he was concerned that it wouldn't do well commercially/ruin his streak of number one albums, it would explain why the plug got pulled on it. My point is that "it wasn't very good" is a good excuse to give in interviews rather than have to explain that he and AA didn't see eye to eye or that Noel killed it after AA put all the work in to create the album. It obviously would make it harder for him to work with producers if people feel that at any moment he could have a change of heart and scuttle the whole thing. |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 23, 2020 13:16:42 GMT -5
I really do take Noel at face value on this. Is it shit? Eh, probably not. But not shit and good enough to release are two different things. And for something that seemed like an album that was really supposed to be a cohesive concept kind of work, why would he want to break it up into parcels anyways? Plus, music is a money making business. No one spends a boatload of money producing an album, only to shelve it and eat the cost, if it's worth releasing. I think that we are kind of saying the same thing in a way. At the end of the day, if he felt that he didn't have enough control over the process because of how AA wanted to do it and as a result, he was concerned that it wouldn't do well commercially/ruin his streak of number one albums, it would explain why the plug got pulled on it. My point is that "it wasn't very good" is a good excuse to give in interviews rather than have to explain that he and AA didn't see eye to eye or that Noel killed it after AA put all the work in to create the album. It obviously would make it harder for him to work with producers if people feel that at any moment he could have a change of heart and scuttle the whole thing. Eh... It wouldn't hurt him with other producers. Artists abandon projects all the time. Heck, Oasis did it with DIV. And it's not like Noel isn't an established artist or someone who would be easily hurt by that. Moreover, this is also going under the assumption that people believe what Noel says about the AA. People in the industry aren't dumb and can easily put 2 and 2 together if they want. What Noel says in that regard doesn't protect him from much damage. So I don't think that angle holds much water. I think it was probably a terrible recording experience. I also think music is subjective and Noel is someone whose views on his music are shaped by the experiences making them, i.e. him dismissing BHN and SOTSOG because they were created during rocky moments in his life and the band's. In any case, the AA believe they produced something worth releasing. Something good. Noel doesn't. And most artists, if they truly believe they've produced something bad, don't want it out there no matter the circumstances (which eliminates Lennon's point about RSD release being "low stakes" because quite frankly, that's just not how any creative thinks. If they don't believe in the work, there's no such thing as low stakes). I think both sides can be taken at face value and believed at once. There really shouldn't be a binary here. |
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Post by oasisunited on Jul 23, 2020 13:22:56 GMT -5
I think it was probably a terrible recording experience. I also think music is subjective and Noel is someone whose views on his music are shaped by the experiences making them, i.e. him dismissing BHN and SOTSOG because they were created during rocky moments in his life and the band's. Maybe. However, both Noel and AA have said in interviews that the process was ultimately the problem -- not what was produced. Noel has stated that he was not happy with how AA worked and mentioned that he wasn't given as much input into it as he normally has, since he has always at least been a co-producer. AA guys paint it a different way: Noel was too stubborn/afraid to try anything different and forced them to just do the same-old Oasis thing. Or, maybe put another way, he wasn't ready to let go of the Oasis thing yet, as it was really part of his first solo attempt. The funny thing is that if you re-read that article now and replace the negative with the affirmative, it reads like a David Holmes interview about the making of WBTM. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 23, 2020 19:08:16 GMT -5
I think that we are kind of saying the same thing in a way. At the end of the day, if he felt that he didn't have enough control over the process because of how AA wanted to do it and as a result, he was concerned that it wouldn't do well commercially/ruin his streak of number one albums, it would explain why the plug got pulled on it. My point is that "it wasn't very good" is a good excuse to give in interviews rather than have to explain that he and AA didn't see eye to eye or that Noel killed it after AA put all the work in to create the album. It obviously would make it harder for him to work with producers if people feel that at any moment he could have a change of heart and scuttle the whole thing. Eh... It wouldn't hurt him with other producers. Artists abandon projects all the time. Heck, Oasis did it with DIV. And it's not like Noel isn't an established artist or someone who would be easily hurt by that. Moreover, this is also going under the assumption that people believe what Noel says about the AA. People in the industry aren't dumb and can easily put 2 and 2 together if they want. What Noel says in that regard doesn't protect him from much damage. So I don't think that angle holds much water. I think it was probably a terrible recording experience. I also think music is subjective and Noel is someone whose views on his music are shaped by the experiences making them, i.e. him dismissing BHN and SOTSOG because they were created during rocky moments in his life and the band's. In any case, the AA believe they produced something worth releasing. Something good. Noel doesn't. And most artists, if they truly believe they've produced something bad, don't want it out there no matter the circumstances (which eliminates Lennon's point about RSD release being "low stakes" because quite frankly, that's just not how any creative thinks. If they don't believe in the work, there's no such thing as low stakes). I think both sides can be taken at face value and believed at once. There really shouldn't be a binary here. My point with RSD is nobody is worried about chat placements (something we know Noel thinks about), sales (since it’s so small) or critical reviews. Artists release weird And zany shit on RSD all the time. A lot of it is fun. |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 24, 2020 0:37:52 GMT -5
Eh... It wouldn't hurt him with other producers. Artists abandon projects all the time. Heck, Oasis did it with DIV. And it's not like Noel isn't an established artist or someone who would be easily hurt by that. Moreover, this is also going under the assumption that people believe what Noel says about the AA. People in the industry aren't dumb and can easily put 2 and 2 together if they want. What Noel says in that regard doesn't protect him from much damage. So I don't think that angle holds much water. I think it was probably a terrible recording experience. I also think music is subjective and Noel is someone whose views on his music are shaped by the experiences making them, i.e. him dismissing BHN and SOTSOG because they were created during rocky moments in his life and the band's. In any case, the AA believe they produced something worth releasing. Something good. Noel doesn't. And most artists, if they truly believe they've produced something bad, don't want it out there no matter the circumstances (which eliminates Lennon's point about RSD release being "low stakes" because quite frankly, that's just not how any creative thinks. If they don't believe in the work, there's no such thing as low stakes). I think both sides can be taken at face value and believed at once. There really shouldn't be a binary here. My point with RSD is nobody is worried about chat placements (something we know Noel thinks about), sales (since it’s so small) or critical reviews. Artists release weird And zany shit on RSD all the time. A lot of it is fun. I got your point... But I think you really have to start from the place of believing that Noel is not a fan of the material. Once you begin there, then chart placement and outside critical reviews remain minor factors. Which means pluses and minuses from the type of release matters very little. In any case, when Noel magically wakes up one day and hears this with new ears, then that'll be the day we'll hear it. |
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