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Post by rickypaglais on Aug 5, 2019 16:46:45 GMT -5
I don't care about the music Noel puts out these days. He's doing something different, and while I think it's shit beyond measure, it is what it is. He's an artist and can make whatever he wants. My issue is that he has made it his mission to alienate and insult a huge chunk of his fanbase like an ungrateful, toadlike twat. Unsophisticated? He's a scratter from fucking Burnage, the pretender I respect your opinion to think he's a twat, or that his music's shit. Fair do's. But, what the fuck has he got to be grateful for? Fuck all. Just as Liam hasn't got anything to be grateful for. Or anybody else who was in Oasis. They gave it to us. We didn't give it to them. Both brothers know that the music was taken to another level by the fact that people took the songs into their lives. But the fact is, they gave us the songs in the first place. So yeh, he's got absolutely no fucking reason to have to be grateful. Not one. We don't have to buy their records. We don't have to buy tickets to their gigs. In 2019, I could steal their music in 20 seconds, but I pay for the records. I have multiple copies of their albums, in different formats. I've turned people onto Oasis, who ended up buying records and going to gigs. I've bought their singles, watched their films. Continued to have an interest when they're releasing utter fucking dross like High Horse Lady and Probably All In The Mind. So yeah, they should be grateful that people pay their hard earned money to consume what is essentially an art form that can be attained completely free very easily.
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Post by rickypaglais on Aug 5, 2019 16:48:24 GMT -5
Funny how someone who calls someone a 'scratter from Burnage' should then expect the person to be grateful because they've paid for a product. Really fucking weird world we live in now. If I called all my customers parka monkeys, unsophisticated and other jibes, I would expect shit back. You seem to think Noel is untouchable for some reason
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Post by bt95 on Aug 5, 2019 16:52:43 GMT -5
I respect your opinion to think he's a twat, or that his music's shit. Fair do's. But, what the fuck has he got to be grateful for? Fuck all. Just as Liam hasn't got anything to be grateful for. Or anybody else who was in Oasis. They gave it to us. We didn't give it to them. Both brothers know that the music was taken to another level by the fact that people took the songs into their lives. But the fact is, they gave us the songs in the first place. So yeh, he's got absolutely no fucking reason to have to be grateful. Not one. We don't have to buy their records. We don't have to buy tickets to their gigs. In 2019, I could steal their music in 20 seconds, but I pay for the records. I have multiple copies of their albums, in different formats. I've turned people onto Oasis, who ended up buying records and going to gigs. I've bought their singles, watched their films. Continued to have an interest when they're releasing utter fucking dross like High Horse Lady and Probably All In The Mind. So yeah, they should be grateful that people pay their hard earned money to consume what is essentially an art form that can be attained completely free very easily. Good for you. That's great that you do that but it's your choice. Doesn't mean they have to be grateful. You've bought a service that they have provided. Do I want them to lower ticket prices. Sure. Don't expect them to, though. I'm grateful for the music and the laughs and the friends that I've had/made through being a fan of them. We have no right to expect them to be grateful. Not one. They're a commercial entity selling a product and people choose to pay to have that product. That's it. I hate the 'oh I'm so grateful, so thankful' line that every ten-bob pop star or Chris Martin comes out with after every song. Are they fuck. They're thankful for the fat load of cash, that's it. For all Noel's/Liam's faults, at least they've never pretended to care in that sense. You like the music? Sound, there you go, fucking have it. You don't? Sound, bore off. That has been the essence of Oasis' attitude from the start and as far away as the brothers might be now, that remains intact.
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Post by Rolo on Aug 5, 2019 16:53:34 GMT -5
I don't care about the music Noel puts out these days. He's doing something different, and while I think it's shit beyond measure, it is what it is. He's an artist and can make whatever he wants. My issue is that he has made it his mission to alienate and insult a huge chunk of his fanbase like an ungrateful, toadlike twat. Unsophisticated? He's a scratter from fucking Burnage, the pretender I respect your opinion to think he's a twat, or that his music's shit. Fair do's. But, what the fuck has he got to be grateful for? Fuck all. Just as Liam hasn't got anything to be grateful for. Or anybody else who was in Oasis. They gave it to us. We didn't give it to them. Both brothers know that the music was taken to another level by the fact that people took the songs into their lives. But the fact is, they gave us the songs in the first place. So yeh, he's got absolutely no fucking reason to have to be grateful. Not one. Absolute madness to think he should be just a tiny bit grateful to all the people who have gone to gigs over the years and bought all his records spending their hard earned cash. Baffling.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 5, 2019 16:55:01 GMT -5
Funny how someone who calls someone a 'scratter from Burnage' should then expect the person to be grateful because they've paid for a product. Really fucking weird world we live in now. If I called all my customers parka monkeys, unsophisticated and other jibes, I would expect shit back. You seem to think Noel is untouchable for some reason What's actually offensive about the term 'parka monkeys'? It was a throwaway comment. I can't believe grown up people genuinely got arsed about it. It's mental! These are the same people that probably loved it that Noel and Liam used to go round calling everyone every name under the sun. Please. I'm not saying he's untouchable. He isn't. He's said a lot of shitty things. A lot. But he has no reason to be grateful. Nobody who was involved in that band does (apart from Scott McLeod).
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Post by Derrick on Aug 5, 2019 16:55:23 GMT -5
Noel is wise enough to know that the general public isn't going to be interested in the "adventurous" new music released in 2019 by a 52 year-old man whose glory days were in the '90s, his new tunes aren't gonna get much airplay on the radio, same as for artists his age (Tom Jones' surprise hit "Sex bomb" being a notable exception).
If he still wants to make the headlines in the press (an occasional reminder that he's still active & touring helps sell tickets), he's either got to talk about Oasis (but he doesn't want a reunion), or play up their rivalry, which he does all the more easily since Liam's constant digs & Sara's growing exasperation keep him from blissfully ignoring it. So he's chosen to bite back at Liam & chooses words he knows will grab the journos' attention, hence the "unsophisticated" anaphora.
The nastier the attacks, the more press coverage he'll get & that's precisely what he wants. Not many people would be interested in reading an interview in which he only talks about the recording of the new EP.
Noel's selling the brotherly feud for his own publicity to journalists who are all too willing to buy it; the rest (i.e. the parts of the interview when he's not scything down Liam) is the same stuff as before, Noel always liked being provocative & that global warming/vagina grandkids quote is Noel-by-the-numbers.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 5, 2019 16:58:14 GMT -5
I respect your opinion to think he's a twat, or that his music's shit. Fair do's. But, what the fuck has he got to be grateful for? Fuck all. Just as Liam hasn't got anything to be grateful for. Or anybody else who was in Oasis. They gave it to us. We didn't give it to them. Both brothers know that the music was taken to another level by the fact that people took the songs into their lives. But the fact is, they gave us the songs in the first place. So yeh, he's got absolutely no fucking reason to have to be grateful. Not one. Absolute madness to think he should be just a tiny bit grateful to all the people who have gone to gigs over the years and bought all his records spending their hard earned cash. Baffling. No it's not mate. I've been to 9 NG gigs and 4 Liam. I have chosen to go and do that. But I have done that because I know I'll get a bloody good show out of it. Yes, both have always said thank you at the end and applauded the crowd. That's different. That's showing the bond that's there at any gig, really. But they're providing a service. That's it. A very good service most of the time. When they came through, were they thanking anybody? When Liam made his comeback, did he have anyone to thank, or was it the fact that he had the drive to get up and try and do it all again? We have no right to expect them to be grateful. Because they've given us just as much as we've given them. They owe us nothing.
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Post by rickypaglais on Aug 5, 2019 16:58:30 GMT -5
We don't have to buy their records. We don't have to buy tickets to their gigs. In 2019, I could steal their music in 20 seconds, but I pay for the records. I have multiple copies of their albums, in different formats. I've turned people onto Oasis, who ended up buying records and going to gigs. I've bought their singles, watched their films. Continued to have an interest when they're releasing utter fucking dross like High Horse Lady and Probably All In The Mind. So yeah, they should be grateful that people pay their hard earned money to consume what is essentially an art form that can be attained completely free very easily. Good for you. That's great that you do that but it's your choice. Doesn't mean they have to be grateful. You've bought a service that they have provided. Do I want them to lower ticket prices. Sure. Don't expect them to, though. I'm grateful for the music and the laughs and the friends that I've had/made through being a fan of them. We have no right to expect them to be grateful. Not one. They're a commercial entity selling a product and people choose to pay to have that product. That's it. I hate the 'oh I'm so grateful, so thankful' line that every ten-bob pop star or Chris Martin comes out with after every song. Are they fuck. They're thankful for the fat load of cash, that's it. For all Noel's/Liam's faults, at least they've never pretended to care in that sense. You like the music? Sound, there you go, fucking have it. You don't? Sound, bore off. That has been the essence of Oasis' attitude from the start and as far away as the brothers might be now, that remains intact. If a company regularly provides a product or a service, and occasionally the product or service is sub-par, yet customers continue to use them, they should appreciate their loyalty to the brand. I co-run a small business and we provide products/services. If we had a "like it or lump it" attitude, we'd be shut down and rightfully so. The Gallaghers can have whatever attitude they want to have, but if people are paying for the music they put out, they should be thankful. There's a million other bands that people could pay to listen to instead, or more realistically, illegally obtain
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Post by rickypaglais on Aug 5, 2019 16:59:10 GMT -5
Beady Eye experiment on BE. Noel: They just need a hit. Liam has hits. Noel: It’s not experimental enough. Beady Eye were experimental? Putting out Bring The Light as their first song was an experiment alright.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 5, 2019 16:59:26 GMT -5
Noel is wise enough to know that the general public isn't going to be interested in the "adventurous" new music released in 2019 by a 52 year-old man whose glory days were in the '90s, his new tunes aren't gonna get much airplay on the radio, same as for artists his age (Tom Jones' surprise hit "Sex bomb" being a notable exception). If he still wants to make the headlines in the press (an occasional reminder that he's still active & touring helps sell tickets), he's either got to talk about Oasis (but he doesn't want a reunion), or play up their rivalry, which he does all the more easily since Liam's constant digs & Sara's growing exasperation keep him from blissfully ignoring it. So he's chosen to bite back at Liam & chooses words he knows will grab the journos' attention, hence the "unsophisticated" anaphora. The nastier the attacks, the more press coverage he'll get & that's precisely what he wants. Not many people would be interested in reading an interview in which he only talks about the recording of the new EP. Noel's selling the brotherly feud for his own publicity to journalists who are all too willing to buy it; the rest (i.e. the parts of the interview when he's not scything down Liam) is the same stuff as before, Noel always liked being provocative & that global warming/vagina grandkids quote is Noel-by-the-numbers. The tagline of the article (the mum line) is Noel doing just that. He explains it in the first par. It's there in black and white.
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Post by rickypaglais on Aug 5, 2019 17:01:26 GMT -5
If I called all my customers parka monkeys, unsophisticated and other jibes, I would expect shit back. You seem to think Noel is untouchable for some reason What's actually offensive about the term 'parka monkeys'? It was a throwaway comment. I can't believe grown up people genuinely got arsed about it. It's mental! These are the same people that probably loved it that Noel and Liam used to go round calling everyone every name under the sun. Please. I'm not saying he's untouchable. He isn't. He's said a lot of shitty things. A lot. But he has no reason to be grateful. Nobody who was involved in that band does (apart from Scott McLeod). It's not the term that is offensive, and you know full well that nobody is actually hurt by being called a fucking parka monkey. It's the fact that he would use any derogatory term, albeit completely throwaway, when talking about the people who have lined his pockets for decades.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 5, 2019 17:04:45 GMT -5
Good for you. That's great that you do that but it's your choice. Doesn't mean they have to be grateful. You've bought a service that they have provided. Do I want them to lower ticket prices. Sure. Don't expect them to, though. I'm grateful for the music and the laughs and the friends that I've had/made through being a fan of them. We have no right to expect them to be grateful. Not one. They're a commercial entity selling a product and people choose to pay to have that product. That's it. I hate the 'oh I'm so grateful, so thankful' line that every ten-bob pop star or Chris Martin comes out with after every song. Are they fuck. They're thankful for the fat load of cash, that's it. For all Noel's/Liam's faults, at least they've never pretended to care in that sense. You like the music? Sound, there you go, fucking have it. You don't? Sound, bore off. That has been the essence of Oasis' attitude from the start and as far away as the brothers might be now, that remains intact. If a company regularly provides a product or a service, and occasionally the product or service is sub-par, yet customers continue to use them, they should appreciate their loyalty to the brand. I co-run a small business and we provide products/services. If we had a "like it or lump it" attitude, we'd be shut down and rightfully so. The Gallaghers can have whatever attitude they want to have, but if people are paying for the music they put out, they should be thankful. There's a million other bands that people could pay to listen to instead, or more realistically, illegally obtain I don't agree. I like Adidas clothing, right. I buy Adidas clothes that I like - I do not expect Adidas to be grateful that I have bought their product. They have provided a product, which I have chosen to buy. Of course, you can take on customer feedback. But these are guys who have always done what they wanted. They've always made the music they wanted (which is why, and I know tomlivesforever has pointed this out) I think Noel's comments about Liam not wanting to make 'weird stuff' or whatever, are nonsense. If people like the songs. Sound. You think his recent output is sub-par, but others like it. Some people think Liam's recent out-put is sub-par, but others like it. So why should they be grateful to the people who do like it? Those people aren't doing it through blind loyalty. Do you like Liam's tunes because you're loyal to Liam, or do you just really think they're great songs? I imagine the latter.
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Post by carlober on Aug 5, 2019 17:05:07 GMT -5
Beady Eye experiment on BE. Noel: They just need a hit. Liam has hits. Noel: It’s not experimental enough. Great post. He had nothing to worry about back then though did he? Little old Beady Eye. Personally, I still enjoy BE (the album, as a whole) more than anything from Liam's solo career. Call me crazy, I know
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 17:08:33 GMT -5
His head's gone here. Posting increasingly bizarre Noel defences at breakneck speed. I think he just compared Noel to an Adidas jacket (potato). It's a long way down when you're the wrong way round, I guess.
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Post by Rolo on Aug 5, 2019 17:09:44 GMT -5
Absolute madness to think he should be just a tiny bit grateful to all the people who have gone to gigs over the years and bought all his records spending their hard earned cash. Baffling. No it's not mate. I've been to 9 NG gigs and 4 Liam. I have chosen to go and do that. But I have done that because I know I'll get a bloody good show out of it. Yes, both have always said thank you at the end and applauded the crowd. That's different. That's showing the bond that's there at any gig, really. But they're providing a service. That's it. A very good service most of the time. When they came through, were they thanking anybody? When Liam made his comeback, did he have anyone to thank, or was it the fact that he had the drive to get up and try and do it all again? We have no right to expect them to be grateful. Because they've given us just as much as we've given them. They owe us nothing. I can't get my head round how you can't fathom that someone in Noel's position shouldn't be grateful for his fans spending literally thousands on him over the years. Yes it's our choice to do so but you expect a bit of gratitude in return maybe? Just a little? I certainly don't expect to be called unsophisticated and a "Parka Monkey" (no one gives a shit about the name, it's in the way he used it). I think he genuinely has forgotten that the people he's calling unsophisticated are his own fucking fans. REMEMBER OASIS NOEL?
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Post by rickypaglais on Aug 5, 2019 17:10:08 GMT -5
If a company regularly provides a product or a service, and occasionally the product or service is sub-par, yet customers continue to use them, they should appreciate their loyalty to the brand. I co-run a small business and we provide products/services. If we had a "like it or lump it" attitude, we'd be shut down and rightfully so. The Gallaghers can have whatever attitude they want to have, but if people are paying for the music they put out, they should be thankful. There's a million other bands that people could pay to listen to instead, or more realistically, illegally obtain I don't agree. I like Adidas clothing, right. I buy Adidas clothes that I like - I do not expect Adidas to be grateful that I have bought their product. They have provided a product, which I have chosen to buy. Of course, you can take on customer feedback. But these are guys who have always done what they wanted. They've always made the music they wanted (which is why, and I know tomlivesforever has pointed this out) I think Noel's comments about Liam not wanting to make 'weird stuff' or whatever, are nonsense. If people like the songs. Sound. You think his recent output is sub-par, but others like it. Some people think Liam's recent out-put is sub-par, but others like it. So why should they be grateful to the people who do like it? Those people aren't doing it through blind loyalty. Do you like Liam's tunes because you're loyal to Liam, or do you just really think they're great songs? I imagine the latter. I think it's incredibly naive to think that there isn't a large amount of people who buy their music and attend their gigs just because it's the Gallaghers. Would you buy every pair of trainers that Adidas put out, if you had the cash? I doubt it; you'd just buy the ones you like. The difference is fanbases lap up all material that is put out regardless of quality. Companies do it with pre-orders all the time. Shit can become best-sellers before anyone has even used the product. The Gallaghers are no different. You can pre-order their albums which you haven't heard, and they could be utterly crap. But people buy them because they're loyal to the brand/the brothers.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 5, 2019 17:11:52 GMT -5
What's actually offensive about the term 'parka monkeys'? It was a throwaway comment. I can't believe grown up people genuinely got arsed about it. It's mental! These are the same people that probably loved it that Noel and Liam used to go round calling everyone every name under the sun. Please. I'm not saying he's untouchable. He isn't. He's said a lot of shitty things. A lot. But he has no reason to be grateful. Nobody who was involved in that band does (apart from Scott McLeod). It's not the term that is offensive, and you know full well that nobody is actually hurt by being called a fucking parka monkey. It's the fact that he would use any derogatory term, albeit completely throwaway, when talking about the people who have lined his pockets for decades. But they've both done it in the past haven't they? They've both said things in jest about the fans. I agree, in the last year or so, it does seem to have got nasty. There's no need for the unsophisticated comments. But then again, maybe he gets pissed off by a load of people calling him a twat because Liam claims something happened. I don't know? Or maybe the comments on his kid's instas and Sara's (and again, I am not saying any of them are blameless in this). As long as he's putting out music that I like, then fine. It's up to anybody else whether they like it or not. If he stops putting out music I like, I won't listen to it. I don't expect him to be grateful that I pay money to see him. It's like suggesting an actor should be grateful if you go and see a film they're in.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 5, 2019 17:12:22 GMT -5
Great post. He had nothing to worry about back then though did he? Little old Beady Eye. Personally, I still enjoy BE (the album, as a whole) more than anything from Liam's solo career. Call me crazy, I know Got some really nice bits in that album. Shame it came at a bad time for them.
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Post by rickypaglais on Aug 5, 2019 17:13:41 GMT -5
Great post. He had nothing to worry about back then though did he? Little old Beady Eye. Personally, I still enjoy BE (the album, as a whole) more than anything from Liam's solo career. Call me crazy, I know Underrated album. Some great tunes on there
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Post by bt95 on Aug 5, 2019 17:15:19 GMT -5
His head's gone here. Posting increasingly bizarre Noel defences at breakneck speed. I think he just compared Noel to an Adidas jacket (potato). It's a long way down when you're the wrong way round, I guess. Tag me mate, at least. I noticed the other little jibe earlier, too. Been busy earlier so caught back up with this thread and was replying as I went along. And no, I compared what any artist does to providing a product/service. I pay for that service if I like it. If not, I don't. I don't expect them to be grateful that I decided to pay for it. It's pretty simple.
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Post by Rolo on Aug 5, 2019 17:15:24 GMT -5
Great post. He had nothing to worry about back then though did he? Little old Beady Eye. Personally, I still enjoy BE (the album, as a whole) more than anything from Liam's solo career. Call me crazy, I know Liam's voice ruined that album.
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Post by durk on Aug 5, 2019 17:16:57 GMT -5
no offense but the new RIDE album bests both Noel's and Liam's output combined over the past few years imo. say what you will about Andy Bell etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 17:17:06 GMT -5
His head's gone here. Posting increasingly bizarre Noel defences at breakneck speed. I think he just compared Noel to an Adidas jacket (potato). It's a long way down when you're the wrong way round, I guess. Tag me mate, at least. I noticed the other little jibe earlier, too. Been busy earlier so caught back up with this thread and was replying as I went along. And no, I compared what any artist does to providing a product/service. I pay for that service if I like it. If not, I don't. I don't expect them to be grateful that I decided to pay for it. It's pretty simple. "I compared an artist to a service" Listen up, man, you don't even know you're born
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Post by rickypaglais on Aug 5, 2019 17:17:19 GMT -5
Personally, I still enjoy BE (the album, as a whole) more than anything from Liam's solo career. Call me crazy, I know Liam's voice ruined that album. I didn't notice it at the time, but listening back, it's quite noticeably bad. I would absolutely love to hear it with his current voice. Look at the difference in Soul Love
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Post by bt95 on Aug 5, 2019 17:18:51 GMT -5
I don't agree. I like Adidas clothing, right. I buy Adidas clothes that I like - I do not expect Adidas to be grateful that I have bought their product. They have provided a product, which I have chosen to buy. Of course, you can take on customer feedback. But these are guys who have always done what they wanted. They've always made the music they wanted (which is why, and I know tomlivesforever has pointed this out) I think Noel's comments about Liam not wanting to make 'weird stuff' or whatever, are nonsense. If people like the songs. Sound. You think his recent output is sub-par, but others like it. Some people think Liam's recent out-put is sub-par, but others like it. So why should they be grateful to the people who do like it? Those people aren't doing it through blind loyalty. Do you like Liam's tunes because you're loyal to Liam, or do you just really think they're great songs? I imagine the latter. I think it's incredibly naive to think that there isn't a large amount of people who buy their music and attend their gigs just because it's the Gallaghers. Would you buy every pair of trainers that Adidas put out, if you had the cash? I doubt it; you'd just buy the ones you like. The difference is fanbases lap up all material that is put out regardless of quality. Companies do it with pre-orders all the time. Shit can become best-sellers before anyone has even used the product. The Gallaghers are no different. You can pre-order their albums which you haven't heard, and they could be utterly crap. But people buy them because they're loyal to the brand/the brothers. I get that point. Obviously there's a loyalty factor here (and especially with Oasis' fandom). But I just don't agree that they should be grateful for that because the reason they have built up that loyalty in the first place is because of the great moments, songs, memories, nights, days, etc that they have created. That's where i'm coming from. I respect your right to disagree.
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