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Post by chamu on Aug 27, 2018 4:33:31 GMT -5
Molly, Gene, Lennon, Drew, Dan & more people around Liam&Debbie liked Debbie's instagram post. All of them are covering up Liam about an abuse&violence case against his girlfriend??? C'mon people, get a life. This video shows nothing about domestic abuse. For god's sake. As i said before, this world is going crazy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 4:46:50 GMT -5
Molly, Gene, Lennon, Drew, Dan & more people around Liam&Debbie liked Debbie's instagram post. All of them are covering up Liam about an abuse&violence case against his girlfriend??? C'mon people, get a life. This video shows nothing about domestic abuse. For god's sake. As i said before, this world is going crazy Supporting Liam, maybe they know a flip side to the relationship? Who knows.
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Post by beanie on Aug 27, 2018 4:55:36 GMT -5
Molly, Gene, Lennon, Drew, Dan & more people around Liam&Debbie liked Debbie's instagram post. All of them are covering up Liam about an abuse&violence case against his girlfriend??? C'mon people, get a life. This video shows nothing about domestic abuse. For god's sake. As i said before, this world is going crazy Lisa Moorish also liked Debbie's Instagram, not someone who would be likely to do so if she thought there was any truth to the story.
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Post by Stemot on Aug 27, 2018 5:09:09 GMT -5
Molly, Gene, Lennon, Drew, Dan & more people around Liam&Debbie liked Debbie's instagram post. All of them are covering up Liam about an abuse&violence case against his girlfriend??? C'mon people, get a life. This video shows nothing about domestic abuse. For god's sake. As i said before, this world is going crazy Lisa Moorish also liked Debbie's Instagram, not someone who would be likely to do so if she thought there was any truth to the story. This actually lends credibility to her statement given she can't fucking stand Liam.
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Post by globe on Aug 27, 2018 7:03:04 GMT -5
Both of them are clearly blootered, Debbie in particular looks wasted in that video.
In the first frame of the video, Liam is clearly smiling so maybe they were indeed just mucking about?
I am in no way excusing his behaviour but to me it looks like he tried to grab her face, the way The Sun are describing it is they were having a raging argument and he grabbed her violently by the throat which clearly didn't happen.
Either way he looks like a dick and he should never be raising his hands to his partner regardless.
Fuck The Sun anyway, parasites.
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Post by blkc on Aug 27, 2018 7:31:38 GMT -5
Both of them are clearly blootered, Debbie in particular looks wasted in that video. In the first frame of the video, Liam is clearly smiling so maybe they were indeed just mucking about? I am in no way excusing his behaviour but to me it looks like he tried to grab her face, the way The Sun are describing it is they were having a raging argument and he grabbed her violently by the throat which clearly didn't happen. Either way he looks like a dick and he should never be raising his hands to his partner regardless. Fuck The Sun anyway, parasites. Hum.. you say fuck the sun, but they reached all their objectives with you... You believe the sun over Debbie and Liam, give no credit to what she said and you are calling her a liar right now. You seem convinced that he's guilty, even while you can't prove anything for sure. I'm sorry to say that but it's a big victory for the Sun thanks to people like you, that's for sure. No matter if all fake, there will always be a suspicion now.
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Post by globe on Aug 27, 2018 8:08:40 GMT -5
Both of them are clearly blootered, Debbie in particular looks wasted in that video. In the first frame of the video, Liam is clearly smiling so maybe they were indeed just mucking about? I am in no way excusing his behaviour but to me it looks like he tried to grab her face, the way The Sun are describing it is they were having a raging argument and he grabbed her violently by the throat which clearly didn't happen. Either way he looks like a dick and he should never be raising his hands to his partner regardless. Fuck The Sun anyway, parasites. Hum.. you say fuck the sun, but they reached all their objectives with you... You believe the sun over Debbie and Liam, give no credit to what she said and you are calling her a liar right now. You seem convinced that he's guilty, even while you can't prove anything for sure. I'm sorry to say that but it's a big victory for the Sun thanks to people like you, that's for sure. No matter if all fake, there will always be a suspicion now. You clearly don't have the ability to read if you think that after reading my post.
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Post by universalgleam on Aug 27, 2018 9:24:04 GMT -5
As a photographer I have to say visual representation can really lie. In a very big way. Creating false illusions is basically what I work with. So I won't bet my money on an allegation based on pure visual "evidence". I'd like to see some contexts/sounds to make further judgements.
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Post by mancraider on Aug 27, 2018 9:40:45 GMT -5
Aside from debating the merits of the accusation,which has been done to death, I hope that as well as fighting the scum that there is some way to address the resteraunts actions in releasing the footage.
If it turns out to be false and they are shown to be responsible for making the video public then I'd want the fuckers put out of business.
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Post by shinpad on Aug 27, 2018 9:44:49 GMT -5
This is why I hate tabloids putting out shit like this. Now, even if Debbie says they were just messing around you have people, who don't know her and with no evidence except for this clip, stating she is just sticking up for her abuser. Could that be the case? Absolutely. But none of us here are in a position to make the call one way or the other. But even if they were just messing about, certain people will never accept that - and vice versa with respect to Liam.
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Post by blkc on Aug 27, 2018 9:47:42 GMT -5
Hum.. you say fuck the sun, but they reached all their objectives with you... You believe the sun over Debbie and Liam, give no credit to what she said and you are calling her a liar right now. You seem convinced that he's guilty, even while you can't prove anything for sure. I'm sorry to say that but it's a big victory for the Sun thanks to people like you, that's for sure. No matter if all fake, there will always be a suspicion now. You clearly don't have the ability to read if you think that after reading my post. Well, I think i have that ability... ^^ I know nothing about the "truth" in this case, but I know what Debbie claims, that they were messing. You seem to think that there's more than that since you "don't excuse his behaviour", so you're kind of denying Debbie's version if you consider that he did something bad, in the end, you imply that she's lying. I get that you're not a fan of The Sun, but still, in the end, you give more credit to their version than to Debbie's. I'm not saying you're wrong or right to do so, I'm just saying that they convinced you in some way that there was at least "something". Which is a victory for them, I just don't see what else it is.
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Post by blkc on Aug 27, 2018 10:13:07 GMT -5
As a photographer I have to say visual representation can really lie. In a very big way. Creating false illusions is basically what I work with. So I won't bet my money on an allegation based on pure visual "evidence". I'd like to see some contexts/sounds to make further judgements. Agreed, but people just don't want to wait to make their opinion in all fairness. To justify that he was claiming stuff without no definitive proofs, someone told me that "people say things and deny them for no reason all the time"... That's just what it is I guess. People don't care if they are saying shit or not, they just claim as facts what they think is happening, they don't care about the gravity of the accusations, about objectivity or respect for the persons involved. They know they don't have to assume anything anyway, so they don't care, that's it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 10:46:51 GMT -5
You clearly don't have the ability to read if you think that after reading my post. Well, I think i have that ability... ^^ I know nothing about the "truth" in this case, but I know what Debbie claims, that they were messing. You seem to think that there's more than that since you "don't excuse his behaviour", so you're kind of denying Debbie's version if you consider that he did something bad, in the end, you imply that she's lying. I get that you're not a fan of The Sun, but still, in the end, you give more credit to their version than to Debbie's. I'm not saying you're wrong or right to do so, I'm just saying that they convinced you in some way that there was at least "something". Which is a victory for them, I just don't see what else it is. Things are often more complicated than they seem at first. I wish more people realised that before making their judgments. The truth could be somewhere in the middle and at this point it's probably better not to believe anything you read, and that includes Debbie's message too although I'd be more inclined to trust her word more than the Scum's. Everybody just fucking calm down, let's not throw more gas on the fire.
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Post by universalgleam on Aug 27, 2018 10:51:10 GMT -5
By the way, here's a fun visual experiment a friend of mine had posted on another site, which demonstrates one possible illusion in this situation. You don't have to believe it, just know that it exists.
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Post by crisppacket on Aug 27, 2018 11:05:13 GMT -5
Well, I think i have that ability... ^^ I know nothing about the "truth" in this case, but I know what Debbie claims, that they were messing. You seem to think that there's more than that since you "don't excuse his behaviour", so you're kind of denying Debbie's version if you consider that he did something bad, in the end, you imply that she's lying. I get that you're not a fan of The Sun, but still, in the end, you give more credit to their version than to Debbie's. I'm not saying you're wrong or right to do so, I'm just saying that they convinced you in some way that there was at least "something". Which is a victory for them, I just don't see what else it is. Things are often more complicated than they seem at first. I wish more people realised that before making their judgments. The truth could be somewhere in the middle and at this point it's probably better not to believe anything you read, and that includes Debbie's message too although I'd be more inclined to trust her word more than the Scum's. Everybody just fucking calm down, let's not throw more gas on the fire. Say this, yet don’t post this? The worst crime in this thread so far.
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Post by mrose on Aug 27, 2018 11:07:16 GMT -5
Does Debbie post on Liam’s Instagram for him? Or is it someone else?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 11:11:08 GMT -5
Does Debbie post on Liam’s Instagram for him? Or is it someone else? Debbie posts personal stuff, Warner and Urok Management post his “artist” pr. posts - not Liam. I’m guessing it’s Warner that have posted as they’ll be dealing with his pr. It’s surprising that Warner haven’t disabled comments for now, maybe they’re gauging opinion. Edit: looks like the post has been deleted. Comments not great.
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Post by blkc on Aug 27, 2018 11:25:43 GMT -5
Well, I think i have that ability... ^^ I know nothing about the "truth" in this case, but I know what Debbie claims, that they were messing. You seem to think that there's more than that since you "don't excuse his behaviour", so you're kind of denying Debbie's version if you consider that he did something bad, in the end, you imply that she's lying. I get that you're not a fan of The Sun, but still, in the end, you give more credit to their version than to Debbie's. I'm not saying you're wrong or right to do so, I'm just saying that they convinced you in some way that there was at least "something". Which is a victory for them, I just don't see what else it is. Things are often more complicated than they seem at first. I wish more people realised that before making their judgments. The truth could be somewhere in the middle and at this point it's probably better not to believe anything you read, and that includes Debbie's message too although I'd be more inclined to trust her word more than the Scum's. Everybody just fucking calm down, let's not throw more gas on the fire. I agree with that, It may look like I'm blindly "defending" Liam and Debbie's story but I'm not, or if I am, it's only to say that no one here can and should claim anything for sure. I agree that the truth could be in the middle, that Debbie could be lying, but it's all speculation, we have nothing to support or deny these claims. If I'm defending a "position", that position is knowing that no one can say anything for sure and that we should wait to accuse anyone, and at least respect the postition of the firsly concerned person. Whatever Debbie is saying, it should be respected, people can doubt, but to completely deny or ignore what she says isn't respectable. And I would think the exact same thing if she was accusing Liam. I'm honestly just amazed by how quick and easily, and firstly with no certainty, some people can claim such serious things in the previous pages, even more because it's coming from fans. I'm sure of one thing, we ain't know shit. I really didn't want to throw gas on the fire, but I guess you're right, I'm probably not doing anything good either ^^ We should all just shut up and wait I guess, I will start, go to go anyway
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Post by mouth on Aug 27, 2018 11:33:30 GMT -5
maybe they are all into s&m and that was part of their foreplay, who knws?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Aug 27, 2018 12:04:31 GMT -5
Maybe Liam is Spock.
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Post by mancraider on Aug 27, 2018 12:12:06 GMT -5
There was a video posted to Liams IG earlier that was flooded by comments about this and it's now been deleted. Obv thought they could just carry on as normal. Don't think it's going to be that easy for them.
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Post by mancraider on Aug 27, 2018 12:17:13 GMT -5
Debbie posts personal stuff, Warner and Urok Management post his “artist” pr. posts - not Liam. I’m guessing it’s Warner that have posted as they’ll be dealing with his pr. It’s surprising that Warner haven’t disabled comments for now, maybe they’re gauging opinion. Edit: looks like the post has been deleted. Comments not great. What was the post that's been deleted? it was just video for deluxe vinyl set. It was flooded with comments about having more important things to deal with than flogging albums etc.
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Post by Tongueless Ghost Of Sin on Aug 27, 2018 13:00:32 GMT -5
Looks like two drunk people being idiots to me.
But yeah, it's 2018 though isn't it. What a helpless victim Debbie must be. She's clearly a battered abused but strong powerful woman who is crying out for the internets help. She clearly has no mind of her own and is just a helpless battered shell of a person living under the thumb of an evil partner who likes to demean and bully her because he feels entitled to because of patriarcy or some shit.
#PrayforDebbie #BoycottOasis #Burneveryparka #lookatmeandhowsensitiveandprogressiveiamgivemelikes
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 27, 2018 13:09:34 GMT -5
Ah, can't be bothered.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 13:10:37 GMT -5
Same! I know exactly what you were thinking coz I thought the same. Ignorance all around us.
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