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Post by wallofass on Dec 4, 2017 20:17:38 GMT -5
From his very firm stance on Liams album having some songs co-written and 2 written by others, does this mean Noely G is not a fan of the king? And if Liam can't claim "ownership" of As You Were as he says then maybe Noels no.1 record could be in jeopardy because he contributed less to DBTT than Liam did to As You Were.  |
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Post by Hans Gruber on Dec 4, 2017 20:43:11 GMT -5
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Post by mystoryisgory on Dec 4, 2017 22:03:46 GMT -5
"Elvis was a hero to most, but he never meant shit to me you see, straight up racist that sucker was, simple and plain, motherfuck him and John Wayne!"  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 4, 2017 22:06:01 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 4, 2017 22:07:57 GMT -5
This guy is fucking nuts. I really wish he was a forum member. I gotta know if he stuck out this "look". Crazy man, crazy.   |
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Post by theseventwenty on Dec 4, 2017 23:06:56 GMT -5
And if Liam can't claim "ownership" of As You Were as he says then maybe Noels no.1 record could be in jeopardy because he contributed less to DBTT than Liam did to As You Were. So what? |
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Dec 5, 2017 1:01:39 GMT -5
"Elvis was a hero to most, but he never meant shit to me you see, straight up racist that sucker was, simple and plain, motherfuck him and John Wayne!" Where did he get Wayne was a racist? Wrong! Also, he loves western but hates its bigger star? Come on... |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 5, 2017 1:09:09 GMT -5
"Elvis was a hero to most, but he never meant shit to me you see, straight up racist that sucker was, simple and plain, motherfuck him and John Wayne!" Where did he get Wayne was a racist? Wrong! Also, he loves western but hates its bigger star? Come on... Two quotes from John Wayne: “With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.” “I’ve directed two pictures, and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it’s supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don’t go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. …” At best, they are racially insensitive remarks. This was also post-civil Rights. |
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Dec 5, 2017 1:26:30 GMT -5
Where did he get Wayne was a racist? Wrong! Also, he loves western but hates its bigger star? Come on... Two quotes from John Wayne: “With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.” “I’ve directed two pictures, and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it’s supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don’t go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. …” At best, they are racially insensitive remarks. This was also post-civil Rights. He was a conservative, and these two quotes are, as you say, insensitive. I do not see them as racist per se, specially the second one. I know that's a sensible topic, better turn back to Noel vs Liam 😀 Ps gotta add the "I believe in white supremacy until..." Part is cringeworthy. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 5, 2017 1:36:22 GMT -5
Two quotes from John Wayne: “With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.” “I’ve directed two pictures, and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it’s supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don’t go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. …” At best, they are racially insensitive remarks. This was also post-civil Rights. He was a conservative, and these two quotes are, as you say, insensitive. I do not see them as racist per se, specially the second one. I know that's a sensible topic, better turn back to Noel vs Liam 😀 Ps gotta add the "I believe in white supremacy until..." Part is cringeworthy. You're insane. If someone had put those comments to me I would have guessed they were from the 1860's. |
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Post by bringmethemonkey on Dec 5, 2017 1:45:00 GMT -5
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Post by spaneli on Dec 5, 2017 1:56:46 GMT -5
He was a conservative, and these two quotes are, as you say, insensitive. I do not see them as racist per se, specially the second one. I know that's a sensible topic, better turn back to Noel vs Liam 😀 Ps gotta add the "I believe in white supremacy until..." Part is cringeworthy. You're insane. If someone had put those comments to me I would have guessed they were from the 1860's. You can find those quotes from the 1860s  |
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Post by akaidleroses on Dec 5, 2017 2:52:18 GMT -5
John Wayne was a right bollix by all accounts.
I love the early Elvis music but the Vegas years are pretty bad.
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Post by philko87 on Dec 5, 2017 8:33:52 GMT -5
I don’t think Buddy Holly would’ve been anywhere near as good if he didn’t write his own tunes.
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Post by wallofass on Dec 5, 2017 9:36:16 GMT -5
And if Liam can't claim "ownership" of As You Were as he says then maybe Noels no.1 record could be in jeopardy because he contributed less to DBTT than Liam did to As You Were. So what? Noel claimed Liam cant claim ownership of his album. Liam wrote more songs for AYW than Noel did for DBTT. So can Noel claim ownership of DBTT? |
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Post by globe on Dec 5, 2017 9:40:17 GMT -5
Two quotes from John Wayne: “With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.” “I’ve directed two pictures, and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it’s supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don’t go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. …” At best, they are racially insensitive remarks. This was also post-civil Rights. He was a conservative, and these two quotes are, as you say, insensitive. I do not see them as racist per se, specially the second one. I know that's a sensible topic, better turn back to Noel vs Liam 😀 Ps gotta add the "I believe in white supremacy until..." Part is cringeworthy. What drugs are you on? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 9:41:04 GMT -5
"Elvis rules, man."
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Post by Hans Gruber on Dec 5, 2017 9:43:20 GMT -5
¿Does Noël appreciate eva? Gracias. |
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Post by ricardogce on Dec 5, 2017 9:49:49 GMT -5
Where did he get Wayne was a racist? Wrong! Also, he loves western but hates its bigger star? Come on... Two quotes from John Wayne: “With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.” “I’ve directed two pictures, and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it’s supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don’t go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. …” At best, they are racially insensitive remarks. This was also post-civil Rights. If the first quote had been followed by "...which is why the Civil Rights movement can't succeed without ensuring black Americans can get unrestricted access to the educational and financial resources that were unlawfully denied to them despite being full-fledged American citizens for decades", it might just work. "White supremacy" in this case seems to mean "majority rule" rather than "nature-mandated racial hierarchy". The second one is artlessly stated, but he's basically arguing for proportional representation, which is contentious but not racist. I'm a Hispanic in the US, and while I like seeing my culture represented in the mainstream, tokenism doesn't do me any favors. I'm not a huge John Wayne fan, but he never struck me as consciously, maliciously racist. "He was a man of his time" is an excuse that gets trotted out a lot to defend out heroes of yesteryear, but I think it applies here, at least as far as the uncouth way he expressed his ideas goes. |
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Post by Hans Gruber on Dec 5, 2017 9:52:18 GMT -5
John Wayne, the most overrated actor ever....he played the same character in every movie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 10:13:38 GMT -5
Noel is full of shit on almost every topic. Why should this one be any different?
As far as I’m aware, almost everyone on the forum disagrees with this criticism of Liam’s album.
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Post by ricardogce on Dec 5, 2017 10:15:40 GMT -5
John Wayne, the most overrated actor ever....he played the same character in every movie. Thanks. HAPPY THANKSGIVING, PILGRIM! |
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Post by eva on Dec 5, 2017 10:47:44 GMT -5
¿Does Noël appreciate eva? Gracias. finally someone asks the important questions |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 5, 2017 12:31:54 GMT -5
I’ve always enjoyed SOTSOG interviews. Noel is so down and out. Brutally honest with thoughts. Loads of hot takes. A good look back for sure. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 5, 2017 12:45:23 GMT -5
Noel claimed Liam cant claim ownership of his album. Liam wrote more songs for AYW than Noel did for DBTT. So can Noel claim ownership of DBTT? Well he wrote the most important parts : the singles, the best tracks and co-produced the thing. Remove all the LAG tunes and here is what you got, only from the songs we know were completed during this session. 1. "Lord Dont Slow Me Down" 2. "Mucky Fingers" 3. "Lyla" 4. "The Importance of Being Idle" 5. "Stop the Clocks" 6. "Sittin' Here in Silence (On My Own)" 7. "Part of the Queue" 8. "Record Machine" 9. "Can You See It Now" 10. "Let There Be Love" Would have made a pretty good if not better DBTT, but they made room for other songwriters. And when i say they, I mean Noel. I suppose Liam had much less say in the production of his own record than Noel had with DBTT. He was basically crafting all Oasis records, giving the producer hints to where the record should go. It's always debatable of course. But i think you took the wrong example here. |
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