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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 7, 2017 2:35:55 GMT -5
Yes, agreed. The quality of the songs during Oasis Mk2 was pretty dismal overall - including Noel's tracks. I've said before that during the entire Mk2 era, there is probably enough material there for just one fairly decent album. Oasis needed an extended break after the BHN tour. 2001 or 2002 would have been ideal. Granted at the time all I fucking wanted was album #4. Little did I know the band was falling apart and Noel lost his songwriting mojo for half a decade. This! |
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Post by mockba08 on Dec 7, 2017 4:12:23 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie, I've thought the same. Noel has regularly bigged up Elvis yet disses Liam.
Obviously it's a completely different scale due to era / influence on music etc but it's still the same thing.
No doubt half of the 60's bands he listens to had at least some songs written for them also.
I just wish people would question so of the contradictory shite he comes out with in interviews - and I say that as a massive fan of Noel. He gets away with murder in interviews.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 7, 2017 4:56:28 GMT -5
You're only entitled to claim a number one album if you wrote most of it? I've contacted the Estate of Frank Sintra with this news and they're currently boxing up all his framed gold records and throwing them in a skip. Apple records have been asked to return the Gold disc for the Beatles UK number one album Live At The BBC but they've said they can't find it and they think Ringo has it hanging in his toilet at home.Police were called to Bob Dylan's house to recover his gold disc for the Shadows In The Night album but said there only seemed to be an old whino living there who spoke mystical gibberish and refused to let them in. They said last time they picked that wacko up off the streets the police Chief let him go so they didn't bother this time. Not only that, six of 14 tracks on Please, Please Me are covers. Not even songs written specifically for the band, but covers! Same ratio for With The Beatles. The Beatles are a fraud, clearly. It's always good to put events back where they belong, eg in history. Back then, rock n roll was only emerging and the norm was to have performers singing songs by guys locked in a room writing songs all day long for a record label. there was really no choices for bands that were the products of their time : it was either that or be replaced by same looking band who could do the job the same. The concept of singer / songwriter did not really exist. Luckily, products back then = quality. Times have changed since then, partly thanx... to the Beatles, who were among the first ones to impose their songs, and very early in their career, because they had something the other didnt. They paved the way for artists like Noel and Liam to be able to do it all if they wanted to. Elvis did not really have time to write songs (and maybe not the talent) with his crazy schedule and the over domination of his manager that eventually led to his death, Sinatra was a douchebag and did not care about music, he was just here for fame and money. Now Liam has a choice, and it makes all the difference compared to those artists. He can take the road he wants, yet he chose the easy road. It's clearly a different situation : he's got all the time he wants / need, he's got the talent, he does not need the money. The real question is : what does he want to be ? If he does not want to be a songwriter then why write at all ? Why not release a record written completely by other people ? It's the ambigous situation that is the problem, for me. We are being sold the product Liam Gallagher, not Liam Gallagher, the solo artist. |
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Post by ricardogce on Dec 7, 2017 6:55:18 GMT -5
Not only that, six of 14 tracks on Please, Please Me are covers. Not even songs written specifically for the band, but covers! Same ratio for With The Beatles. The Beatles are a fraud, clearly. Why not release a record written completely by other people ? It's the ambigous situation that is the problem, for me. We are being sold the product Liam Gallagher, not Liam Gallagher, the solo artist. The moving crew for your goalposts has arrived, I see. We are now at the stage where if you're not willing or able to write an entire album, you shouldn't write at all. Got it. If you're going to reply, please try a less ridiculous argument. Liam Gallagher is a singer who occasionally writes. It's been that way since at least 2000. That is the package you're getting, whether you embrace it or not is your business. But to question his legitimacy is fucking laughable. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 7, 2017 7:24:44 GMT -5
The real question is : what does he want to be ? If he does not want to be a songwriter then why write at all ? Why not release a record written completely by other people ? It's the ambigous situation that is the problem, for me. We are being sold the product Liam Gallagher, not Liam Gallagher, the solo artist. The moving crew for your goalposts has arrived, I see. We are now at the stage where if you're not willing or able to write an entire album, you shouldn't write at all. Got it. If you're going to reply, please try a less ridiculous argument. Liam Gallagher is a singer who occasionally writes. It's been that way since at least 2000. That is the package you're getting, whether you embrace it or not is your business. But to question his legitimacy is fucking laughable. Once you label arguments ridiculous without counter arguments you lose credibility dude. Where are your arguments ? It's not 2000 anymore, Liam is not in Oasis anymore. Not in Beady Eye anymore. He's a solo artist. His name is on the CD, on the wall at gigs. He's not being true to himself, and he's not being true to his fans. If he relies on corporate songwriters to fuel his career, then he falls in the category of Beyonce, Robbie, Adele and the likes. A kind of deal he's more than anyone dissed in his prime past, with passion. The fact that some Oasis fans are accepting that deal with the devil is the ridiculous part, really. It goes against everything Oasis was about. If you like living a lie, good for you. But it's still a lie. Well packaged. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 7, 2017 7:32:59 GMT -5
The moving crew for your goalposts has arrived, I see. We are now at the stage where if you're not willing or able to write an entire album, you shouldn't write at all. Got it. If you're going to reply, please try a less ridiculous argument. Liam Gallagher is a singer who occasionally writes. It's been that way since at least 2000. That is the package you're getting, whether you embrace it or not is your business. But to question his legitimacy is fucking laughable. Once you label arguments ridiculous without counter arguments you lose credibility dude. Where are your arguments ? It's not 2000 anymore, Liam is not in Oasis anymore. Not in Beady Eye anymore. He's a solo artist. His name is on the CD, on the wall at gigs. He's not being true to himself, and he's not being true to his fans. If he relies on corporate songwriters to fuel his career, then he falls in the category of Beyonce, Robbie, Adele and the likes. A kind of deal he's more than anyone dissed in his prime past, with passion. The fact that some Oasis fans are accepting that deal with the devil is the ridiculous part, really. It goes against everything Oasis was about. If you like living a lie, good for you. But it's still a lie. Well packaged. Even though I like most of the songs on AYW, I agree with this to an extent, but I think Liam's strengths as a solo artist are not in his writing, but as a performer - and this shows with his sell-out gigs. Liam's biggest quality has always been his front man swagger on stage - even in Oasis, and this is really what he is selling - himself! The rock star image. They are a dying breed now in today's PC times, so I'm pleased the new generation are buying into him the same way we did in the 90's. Noel's biggest strength was his songwriting ability, and it is that which is carrying him now in his successful solo career, but Liam's strength has always been his persona, and it is that which is carrying him into a successful solo career. |
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Post by ricardogce on Dec 7, 2017 7:46:16 GMT -5
The moving crew for your goalposts has arrived, I see. We are now at the stage where if you're not willing or able to write an entire album, you shouldn't write at all. Got it. If you're going to reply, please try a less ridiculous argument. Liam Gallagher is a singer who occasionally writes. It's been that way since at least 2000. That is the package you're getting, whether you embrace it or not is your business. But to question his legitimacy is fucking laughable. Once you label arguments ridiculous without counter arguments you lose credibility dude. Where are your arguments ? It's not 2000 anymore, Liam is not in Oasis anymore. Not in Beady Eye anymore. He's a solo artist. His name is on the CD, on the wall at gigs. He's not being true to himself, and he's not being true to his fans. If he relies on corporate songwriters to fuel his career, then he falls in the category of Beyonce, Robbie, Adele and the likes. A kind of deal he's more than anyone dissed in his prime past, with passion. The fact that some Oasis fans are accepting that deal with the devil is the ridiculous part, really. It goes against everything Oasis was about. If you like living a lie, good for you. But it's still a lie. Well packaged.I call your arguments ridiculous because you keep making ridiculous arguments. You're taking an entire class of artist and dismissing them as fake because you have no respect for the field the participate in. I've gotten angry at other members before, but this is my first time actually laughing at someone. Good job. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Dec 7, 2017 9:13:48 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie, I've thought the same. Noel has regularly bigged up Elvis yet disses Liam. Obviously it's a completely different scale due to era / influence on music etc but it's still the same thing. No doubt half of the 60's bands he listens to had at least some songs written for them also. I just wish people would question so of the contradictory shite he comes out with in interviews - and I say that as a massive fan of Noel. He gets away with murder in interviews. It's not the same thing, for reasons I have already explained. The only band from the 60s that I can think that Noel might listen to that had the same situation is The Monkees but I don't know if he listens to them much. I DO know that he has written for them though. I do like The Monkees, incidentally. |
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Post by mockba08 on Dec 7, 2017 10:11:10 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie, I've thought the same. Noel has regularly bigged up Elvis yet disses Liam. Obviously it's a completely different scale due to era / influence on music etc but it's still the same thing. No doubt half of the 60's bands he listens to had at least some songs written for them also. I just wish people would question so of the contradictory shite he comes out with in interviews - and I say that as a massive fan of Noel. He gets away with murder in interviews. It's not the same thing, for reasons I have already explained. The only band from the 60s that I can think that Noel might listen to that had the same situation is The Monkees but I don't know if he listens to them much. I DO know that he has written for them though. I do like The Monkees, incidentally. On the playing covers front - no. On having people writing songs for him - I think it is. I said in my original post that there's obviously differences but the principal is still there. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 7, 2017 10:27:52 GMT -5
You're only entitled to claim a number one album if you wrote most of it? I've contacted the Estate of Frank Sintra with this news and they're currently boxing up all his framed gold records and throwing them in a skip. Apple records have been asked to return the Gold disc for the Beatles UK number one album Live At The BBC but they've said they can't find it and they think Ringo has it hanging in his toilet at home.Police were called to Bob Dylan's house to recover his gold disc for the Shadows In The Night album but said there only seemed to be an old whino living there who spoke mystical gibberish and refused to let them in. They said last time they picked that wacko up off the streets the police Chief let him go so they didn't bother this time. Not only that, six of 14 tracks on Please, Please Me are covers. Not even songs written specifically for the band, but covers! Same ratio for With The Beatles. The Beatles are a fraud, clearly. At that time, it was actually really unusual for a band to play on, sing on AND write your own material. |
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Post by Hans Gruber on Dec 7, 2017 13:03:27 GMT -5
¿Does Noël appreciate elves?
Thanks.
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Post by rajonrondo9 on Dec 10, 2017 15:53:07 GMT -5
Not only that, six of 14 tracks on Please, Please Me are covers. Not even songs written specifically for the band, but covers! Same ratio for With The Beatles. The Beatles are a fraud, clearly. It's always good to put events back where they belong, eg in history. Back then, rock n roll was only emerging and the norm was to have performers singing songs by guys locked in a room writing songs all day long for a record label. there was really no choices for bands that were the products of their time : it was either that or be replaced by same looking band who could do the job the same. The concept of singer / songwriter did not really exist. Luckily, products back then = quality. Times have changed since then, partly thanx... to the Beatles, who were among the first ones to impose their songs, and very early in their career, because they had something the other didnt. They paved the way for artists like Noel and Liam to be able to do it all if they wanted to. Elvis did not really have time to write songs (and maybe not the talent) with his crazy schedule and the over domination of his manager that eventually led to his death, Sinatra was a douchebag and did not care about music, he was just here for fame and money.Now Liam has a choice, and it makes all the difference compared to those artists. He can take the road he wants, yet he chose the easy road. It's clearly a different situation : he's got all the time he wants / need, he's got the talent, he does not need the money. The real question is : what does he want to be ? If he does not want to be a songwriter then why write at all ? Why not release a record written completely by other people ? It's the ambigous situation that is the problem, for me. We are being sold the product Liam Gallagher, not Liam Gallagher, the solo artist. I know this is an Oasis Forum but couldn’t let the Sinatra comment slide. Frank may have been a douchebag for various reasons but to say he was just in it for notoriety and wealth and didn’t care about music is a pretty asinine thing to say. Franks’ musical ability wasn’t just all natural he worked his ass off in perfecting his craft. Learning phrasing techniques from Tommy Dorsey early in his career that became his trademark and later being able to survive and thrive in the new era of Rock and Roll because of his swinging style doesn’t sound like someone resting on their laurels to me. Sinatra was very involved in the vocal arrangements. Please the man toured until he was too senile to remember the lyrics. He lived and breathed music. Your making it sound like he was the Gene fucking Simmons of his day and his music was just a commodity and their was no passion or artistic drive. Anyway Sinatra was my first musical obsession when I was a little kid and when I became 15 and first saw wonderwall on MTV then Oasis became by second and much larger musical obsession. Peace ✌️ |
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Post by Hans Gruber on Dec 13, 2017 19:23:15 GMT -5
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