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Post by marqueemoon on Dec 1, 2017 1:29:47 GMT -5
I like the same amount of songs from both albums, but I find myself listening to Liam's songs more than Noel's. Simply put, I like the tunes more and Liam's voice is just more enjoyable to listen to. I appreciate Noel trying some new tricks, but there are just certain moments and lyrics I can't stand even in the better songs. AYW just has a certain vibe that makes it a cool listen, its simple music done right.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 1, 2017 1:32:59 GMT -5
If we discount the songs Liam didn't write himself and the ones that he has co-writing credits on, then I would still go with the 8 remaining Liam penned songs over WBTM. I wish people would remember that he wrote more than half the album and co-wrote most of the rest instead of just parroting the crap that is coming out of Noel's mouth during interviews these days. We should also probably remember that without Holmes holding Noel's hand through the entire recording process he wouldn't have been able to achieve this 'new sound'. He has said himself in numerous interviews that they did most of their work on the songs while together in the studio. Fair enough. You prefer AYW over WBTM. They are both decent albums. But I don't think the songs overall on AYW stand up to WBTM, regardless of who wrote what. The new sound on WBTM has come from Holmes, which gives the album a different vibe to Noel's previous work, but the songs themselves are still NG's. It has his hallmark signature all over them - and this is ultimately why the album is still superior. |
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Post by jason77 on Dec 1, 2017 5:00:58 GMT -5
The title track on Noel’s album is superior to anything on as you were.
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Dec 1, 2017 5:04:41 GMT -5
The title track on Noel’s album is superior to anything on as you were. There is no title track. |
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Post by jason77 on Dec 1, 2017 5:06:55 GMT -5
You know what I mean lol
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Post by Rivers on Dec 1, 2017 5:13:08 GMT -5
Good post, great post indeed. Problem is the people who voted for AYW don't care who writes the song or the concept of a songwriter. They are not here for the artist side of things, the craftsmanship of making a record from birth to release. They just want the tunes sung by Liam, and that we can fully accept. A good time with Liam is always nice. But there is something missing: authencity. I'm also very skeptical of the input he's had on the co-written songs. This was never really explained in details and Liam remained really, really vague about it in interviews. Going from 2 songs to 13 quality tunes overnight, Liam really had a creative peek in those months... Now, as i said i like As You Were for what it is, a pop rock record written by a collective. A good product, something you put casually and appreciate. And i truly believe Liam's fully written songs on the record are among the best he's written. I've always been supportive of his songwriting and believe he can do much much more. And I too find it weird that his fans are settling for such a Robbie Williams deal. I'll compare Liam's effort with Noel's when songwriting credits goes: written by Liam Gallagher on all songsUntil then as you said, Noel is in another league. I'm not buying that songwriting thing. Liam has written 8 out of 15 songs only by himself. Yes, Noel has written all WBTM by himself. But, for me, songwriting is the weakest thing on his new album. If you read carefully this album booklet, you'll see how many people are involved on it. Is Noel really important on the sound of it? I think David Holmes and all of his co-workers are very responsibles of the arrangements. And we can agree this album is more bout the sound, the groove than bout the songs. So i really doubt about what record is more authentic. AYW is as Liam as it could be When I point out Liam’s co-writing, the main issue isn’t about the fact that he doesn’t fully write he’s own songs. I’m not gonna say I don’t care about that, I’ve been using it for years to criticize many artists, so I’m not changing my mind cause Liam does it now. But my problem with AYW songs and its general feel is about the quality, I find it quite unremarkable. I’ve got many friend that are very much into music like me, but never get that my favourite band is Oasis. For years, for every new release, I’d always get the same feed-back that Oasis always did the same, music for the masses, to radio friendly, not interesting at all. And I’d disagree completely, to me every Oasis album (when I say Oasis I’m thinking Noel here) had a bunch of songs that meant something, that touched me, with soul if you want. Well, now, I’m getting that feeling with AYW. Sort of an Addele feel, I can listen to an Addele song if it comes on the radio (I mean it’s not “Despacito”), but do I have it in my iPod? No. Don´t mean to put Liam and Addele at the same level, I much prefer Liam, but there’s a big part of me listening to AYW just because I’m his fan. Some say that AYW is the best Oasis-related since MG or BHN… I don’t know, I get more excitement from the intro of DYKWIM or FIB than from anything in AYW. Liam needed I hand, that’s clear, his songs many times seemed unfinished. I wish he’d try to get other type of co-writers, more like friends, like John Squire, Richard Ashcroft, Paul Weller... Or stuff like Scorpio Rising, I wouldn’t mind an album full of collaborations like that even if he didn’t write a single song. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 1, 2017 5:51:55 GMT -5
Liam needed I hand, that’s clear, his songs many times seemed unfinished. I wish he’d try to get other type of co-writers, more like friends, like John Squire, Richard Ashcroft, Paul Weller... Or stuff like Scorpio Rising, I wouldn’t mind an album full of collaborations like that even if he didn’t write a single song. Liam is an underachiever when it comes to songwriting. He's got the talent, he just need to work harder. He's never had to push his talent before, just coming up to the studio or the gigs and sing. But writing a song is another story. He's proven he can write good tunes (Bold, Greedy Soul) and with the right producer, i really believe he can do it all alone. A collab like Noel did with David Holmes could be interesting. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 1, 2017 6:06:57 GMT -5
I’m shocked with results of this poll, AYW getting more support than WBTM... I could not see them without voting, which I did only today after getting my copy of WBTM yesterday (and hadn’t listened to anything before that). As I’m gonna be on Noel’s side on this one, and not that I need to justify myself, but I’ve been following Oasis and the Gallaghers since ’94, buying every album and tour around me if they were involved. I’d even say that my sympathy would go a little more on Liam’s side, maybe because I think he’s the weaker one, not being credited for the hardest part (writing the songs), and being the least intelligent (give me that). So, back to the topic, AYW vs WBTM. I’ll draw an analogy to explain how I feel about AYW. Liam is like the owner of this restaurant I know, where they do the best hand-made burgers you can eat. The owner his a friend of mine, he really knows how to cook and he is really nice. Then AYW is as if McDonald’s (Warner and the co-writers) comes over and takes the place, hiring my friend to manage it. I can enjoy a McDonald’s from time to time, I still love my friend, he is still very nice and he can even add a little something to the regular McDonald’s burger. But at the end of the day, it’s just a McDonald’s with a little upgrade, it feels quite generic, formulaic, even flat, you can have it but you just can’t compare it to the place it was before. On the other side, Noel is as authentic as he ever was. He still writes everything, and whether you like his new direction with Holmes' production or not (I’m not the biggest fan in particular), he sounds fresh, thrilling, there’s a real musical depth in WBTM. What I mean is, to me, AYW and WBTM aren’t even in the same league... Talking football, WBTM would be playing the Premier and Champions League, and AYW would be playing the Championship. Don’t know if it makes any sense, just my opinion anyway. Good post, great post indeed. Problem is the people who voted for AYW don't care who writes the song or the concept of a songwriter. They are not here for the artist side of things, the craftsmanship of making a record from birth to release. They just want the tunes sung by Liam, and that we can fully accept. A good time with Liam is always nice. But there is something missing: authencity. I'm also very skeptical of the input he's had on the co-written songs. This was never really explained in details and Liam remained really, really vague about it in interviews. Going from 2 songs to 13 quality tunes overnight, Liam really had a creative peek in those months... Now, as i said i like As You Were for what it is, a pop rock record written by a collective. A good product, something you put casually and appreciate. And i truly believe Liam's fully written songs on the record are among the best he's written. I've always been supportive of his songwriting and believe he can do much much more. And I too find it weird that his fans are settling for such a Robbie Williams deal. I'll compare Liam's effort with Noel's when songwriting credits goes: written by Liam Gallagher on all songsUntil then as you said, Noel is in another league. Why do you have to always demean why people like AYW, like they are settling for something less. What's not authentic about the record? There has been no attempt by Liam to hide the imput of others and Liam's voice being his biggest strength what's not authentic about him singing a song with a fire and spirit few can match even if he didn't write it. He sounds authentic to me. He may not have written the lyrics for Oasis songs but he sang them like he did. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 1, 2017 6:08:33 GMT -5
Liam needed I hand, that’s clear, his songs many times seemed unfinished. I wish he’d try to get other type of co-writers, more like friends, like John Squire, Richard Ashcroft, Paul Weller... Or stuff like Scorpio Rising, I wouldn’t mind an album full of collaborations like that even if he didn’t write a single song. Liam is an underachiever when it comes to songwriting. He's got the talent, he just need to work harder. He's never had to push his talent before, just coming up to the studio or the gigs and sing. But writing a song is another story. He's proven he can write good tunes (Bold, Greedy Soul) and with the right producer, i really believe he can do it all alone. A collab like Noel did with David Holmes could be interesting. He has said that he is still learning the craft, his songs were better this time around maybe he is getting there. I think he did work hard at his songs. |
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Post by scorpiosonic on Dec 1, 2017 6:19:24 GMT -5
Honestly? I wouldn't have been happy with either of them.
I'm glad they both came out at the same time.
If you make a playlist out of both of them, you end up with a good album.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 1, 2017 6:35:25 GMT -5
Why do you have to always demean why people like AYW, like they are settling for something less. What's not authentic about the record? There has been no attempt by Liam to hide the imput of others and Liam's voice being his biggest strength what's not authentic about him singing a song with a fire and spirit few can match even if he didn't write it. He sounds authentic to me. He may not have written the lyrics for Oasis songs but he sang them like he did. I dont know, when you go to a supermarket and pick up a random product from a big brand do you feel it's authentic ? It's the same for the non written Liam songs. Yes they are good, like a good ice cream. But are they authentic ? No. OP explained it perfectly with the Mcdonald's analogy, i can put it better than that. There is no shame in llking Mcdonald's ( i fuckin love it), but it's not the same as a good burger with real meat. I can never be the same. I believe most people would have been horrified is Oasis had used external songwriters. They have based their entire career on that unique principle: authenticity, us against them. Not being told what to do by a suit in an office. We can discuss this for years and years but in the end, the most important bulk of songs from As You Were are from the mind of guys in an office of what Liam should be. I hope the next record is more Liam and not Liam seen by Warner records. He's got 8 of his own songs on this record that are genuinely good. The rest of the co-written, you can clearly tell which one he was really involved with and which one he really wasn't, chords structures are too complex for Liam. And 3 of those are the big singles... Show us your balls and do a record on your own, it's all i'm saying. HE CAN DO IT. And i'd be fuckin' happy if he did. I mean, do a Liam best of from all the songs he's written so far, and it's pretty, pretty good. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 1, 2017 6:59:33 GMT -5
Why do you have to always demean why people like AYW, like they are settling for something less. What's not authentic about the record? There has been no attempt by Liam to hide the imput of others and Liam's voice being his biggest strength what's not authentic about him singing a song with a fire and spirit few can match even if he didn't write it. He sounds authentic to me. He may not have written the lyrics for Oasis songs but he sang them like he did. I dont know, when you go to a supermarket and pick up a random product from a big brand do you feel it's authentic ? It's the same for the non written Liam songs. Yes they are good, like a good ice cream. But are they authentic ? No. OP explained it perfectly with the Mcdonald's analogy, i can put it better than that. There is no shame in llking Mcdonald's ( i fuckin love it), but it's not the same as a good burger with real meat. I can never be the same. I believe most people would have been horrified is Oasis had used external songwriters. They have based their entire career on that unique principle: authenticity, us against them. Not being told what to do by a suit in an office. We can discuss this for years and years but in the end, the most important bulk of songs from As You Were are from the mind of guys in an office of what Liam should be. I hope the next record is more Liam and not Liam seen by Warner records. He's got 8 of his own songs on this record that are genuinely good. The rest of the co-written, you can clearly tell which one he was really involved with and which one he really wasn't, chords structures are too complex for Liam. And 3 of those are the big singles... Show us your balls and do a record on your own, it's all i'm saying. HE CAN DO IT. And i'd be fuckin' happy if he did. I mean, do a Liam best of from all the songs he's written so far, and it's pretty, pretty good. For me, 2 of the strongest songs on the album are Bold and I've All I Need, and they are both (surprisingly) written by Liam. Both of those songs stand up to the best of what Noel has done. With a bit more work, Liam could really come into his own as a songwriter. Wall of Glass sounds like it is a song that has been done by committee on what a Liam song should sound like, as does For What It's Worth. |
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Post by freddy838 on Dec 1, 2017 7:30:45 GMT -5
I don't think Liam is enough of a musician to develop his songwriting much further than he currently has. I think he has proven with this album he can do half a dozen decent tunes with the talent he has, but unless he starts to learn to play electric guitar riffs, piano etc and develop new ideas, that'll be the limit. I just listened to As You Were walking to and from my Dad's house and enjoyed it, then had a bit further to go and flicked through Noel's album and only really had the inclination to put The Man Who Built The Moon on. Bar two others I'd probably not be arsed about hearing the rest again.
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Post by ricardogce on Dec 1, 2017 8:08:26 GMT -5
I don't think Liam is enough of a musician to develop his songwriting much further than he currently has. I think he has proven with this album he can do half a dozen decent tunes with the talent he has, but unless he starts to learn to play electric guitar riffs, piano etc and develop new ideas, that'll be the limit. I just listened to As You Were walking to and from my Dad's house and enjoyed it, then had a bit further to go and flicked through Noel's album and only really had the inclination to put The Man Who Built The Moon on. Bar two others I'd probably not be arsed about hearing the rest again. That's it exactly, I don't think Liam is interested in putting in the extra effort to develop as a musician. He's done the songs he has because they've come to him naturally, but spending time tinkering in the studio or experimenting with a producer that will tell him "write a Blondie song" as a way of inspiring some lateral thinking? He'd be fed up and out the door by lunchtime. He sees himself as a singer primarily. Give him a good song and he'll make it great, give him a great song and he'll make it perfect. Everything else about the business is incidental for him. |
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Post by garys on Dec 1, 2017 20:04:50 GMT -5
So, my 22 year old daughter walked into the room just now while I was listening to It's a Beautiful World and said... "Dad, what kind of music is that!?!? It's weird... I say "it's from Noel's new album" "Oh" she replies, "I like the other one's"
True story
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Post by ricardogce on Dec 1, 2017 20:12:05 GMT -5
So, my 22 year old daughter walked into the room just now while I was listening to It's a Beautiful World and said... "Dad, what kind of music is that!?!? It's weird... I say "it's from Noel's new album" "Oh" she replies, "I like the other one's" True story I invited a casual-fan friend to come with me to see both Liam and Noel, and she said "I'll stick to the Oasis guy". I told her "they're both the Oasis guy, dumbass". She said "I wanna hear the right version of Wonderwall". To be fair to the Chief, she's digging WBTM and will indeed go to Philly with me for his show. |
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Post by garys on Dec 1, 2017 20:23:37 GMT -5
So, my 22 year old daughter walked into the room just now while I was listening to It's a Beautiful World and said... "Dad, what kind of music is that!?!? It's weird... I say "it's from Noel's new album" "Oh" she replies, "I like the other one's" True story I invited a casual-fan friend to come with me to see both Liam and Noel, and she said "I'll stick to the Oasis guy". I told her "they're both the Oasis guy, dumbass". She said "I wanna hear the right version of Wonderwall". To be fair to the Chief, she's digging WBTM and will indeed go to Philly with me for his show. Yeah man, I like the album as well, only a couple of tracks I don't Like, that said I do prefer AYW - I'll be seeing HFB at Radio City in February. |
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Post by 2besomeone on Dec 1, 2017 23:00:57 GMT -5
AYW was a great Liam reappearance. I had serious doubts that he could pull of a solo album and not flop. He did exactly the opposite and came out with a great album which sounds powerful and has some really good, classic sounding tunes. Personally I have no problem with Liam co writting or getting help with the songs, though I would of preferred if it was people from his circle (Ashcroft, DIY or the Chemicals) or someone he had a musical common ground with or someone he admired. But that's not really relevant to the final result. I have really enjoyed the album and listened to it quite a bit. More important, how fucking great is it to hear that voice again!!
However, in the short time that I have had it, I have listened to WBTM more. For me it is a more interesting album and far less predictable than Liams. Personally I am one of the ones who has been waiting for a long time for Noel to change it up. He has always shown signs of willingness to advance towards that, but I think this is his first real step to change the game and cement his legacy as a true artist who is willing to explore new ground. WBTM is far from ground breaking, as I have said before, it's classic Noel melodies in a different shell created by Noel and ornamented in a really nice manner by Holmes. But it is certainly a step towards a different sound and that is what a songwriter of Noels caliber should be doing, especially at this stage. Noel has played it safe since HC, finally he took a risk and it payed off.
Liam is a performer, and a damn good one at that, but not a creative figure like Noel. So I expect different from him. Both are good album's at what they attempt to be. I look forward to another Liam album and to see Noel keep on exploring new areas. This scenario, to me, will always be better than a forced oasis reunion which just takes time away from both of them creating new music.
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Post by Gas Panic on Dec 2, 2017 7:05:46 GMT -5
I expected Noel to be closing the gap in this poll but Liam is actually starting to run away with it.
Well done Liam. Who'd have predicted this happening this time last year?
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Dec 2, 2017 7:14:23 GMT -5
Comfortable win for Liam, as expected
Proof is in the pudding.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Dec 2, 2017 7:22:01 GMT -5
One nice thing about As You Were: my car CD player shows the song titles on the display screen; the Who Built The Moon album doesn't show the song titles.
Thanks.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 2, 2017 7:50:47 GMT -5
Comfortable win for Liam, as expected Proof is in the pudding. I think even the most hardcore Liam fans didn't expect that, lets be honest. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Dec 2, 2017 7:58:42 GMT -5
If we discount the songs Liam didn't write himself and the ones that he has co-writing credits on, then I would still go with the 8 remaining Liam penned songs over WBTM. I wish people would remember that he wrote more than half the album and co-wrote most of the rest instead of just parroting the crap that is coming out of Noel's mouth during interviews these days. We should also probably remember that without Holmes holding Noel's hand through the entire recording process he wouldn't have been able to achieve this 'new sound'. He has said himself in numerous interviews that they did most of their work on the songs while together in the studio. Why do people feel the need to accuse others of "parroting Noel" or "buying into Noel's lies"? Is it easier to comprehend than the fact that some people just like the music on WBTM more? You might prefer the Liam-written songs to WBTM, that's fair. Noel is still completely right because the album was marketed around three singles, none of which Liam wrote by himself and one of which he had no hand in writing at all. Even if his own songs are good (and many of them are), Liam decided not to go with them. |
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Post by wigwamxx on Dec 2, 2017 8:49:13 GMT -5
As you were.
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Post by garys on Dec 2, 2017 12:44:26 GMT -5
THE single greatest male interpreter of popular music, Frank Sinatra, has exactly one shared songwriting credit to his name.(before anyone has any visions of Joe Piscopo or Phil Hartman or a senior citizen Sinatra propped up on stage like a wax dummy, I'm referring to prime Sinatra from '53 to say '71, as Bono said, he was more rock n roll than anyone) Does that make him any less "authentic" in his interpretation of material? Ella Fitzgerald didn't write her own songs. Does that diminish her authenticity? No, she's brilliant. Bob Dylan was a great writer,I appreciate what he has and had to say but I'm not ponying up to listen to him. Not everyone can be Lennon/ Macca. And neither one of them was the same without the other, although they both approached previous heights on their own. Liam is a singer of songs, rock n roll songs and not too many do it better and that's why the album has been successful and accessible. Roger Daltrey has one shared credit with Pete and yet he's one of the great rock singers in history and the Who would not have been nearly what it was with another front man. So, for me the craftsman/ songwriter aspect if it doesn't hold water. Bold and Paper Crown, to name two tracks sound pretty authentic to me and conjure up feelings and emotion every time I listen to them. I love Noel and the vast majority of songs he's written and have nothing but respect and admiration for his talent and ability but without Liam singing many of those songs and being the front man for Oasis we wouldn't be having any of these discussions, Noel's recently admitted that himself. McDonald's indeed. Stop it. It's just Rock 'N' Roll.
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