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Post by The Escapist on Nov 29, 2017 13:45:05 GMT -5
10/10 = N/A 9/10 = Fort Knox, The Man Who Built the Moon, Dead in the Water. 8/10 = Wall of Glass, Holy Mountain, Bold, Beautiful World, Paper Crown, She Taught Me How to Fly, Come Back to Me. 7/10 = Keep on Reaching, Greedy Soul, If Love is the Law, You Better Run, Be Careful What You Wish For, All I Need, It Doesn't Have to Be This Way 6/10 = I Get By, For What it's Worth, Chinatown 5-4-3-2-1/10 = N/A Not bad 
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Post by space75gr on Nov 30, 2017 3:43:16 GMT -5
no question for me this time...As You Were ...by miles. The best Gallagher release since Be Here Now, even if that sounds like a blasphemy
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Post by liamsparka on Nov 30, 2017 6:22:40 GMT -5
10/10 = N/A 9/10 = Fort Knox, The Man Who Built the Moon, Dead in the Water. 8/10 = Wall of Glass, Holy Mountain, Bold, Beautiful World, Paper Crown, She Taught Me How to Fly, Come Back to Me. 7/10 = Keep on Reaching, Greedy Soul, If Love is the Law, You Better Run, Be Careful What You Wish For, All I Need, It Doesn't Have to Be This Way 6/10 = I Get By, For What it's Worth, Chinatown 5-4-3-2-1/10 = N/A Not bad I have to question a rating system that puts Bold and Paper Crown in the same category as Holy Mountain and She Taught me how to fly  ...but then its all about tastes as I wouldn't have For what its worth as a 6! |
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Post by Rivers on Nov 30, 2017 10:18:24 GMT -5
I’m shocked with results of this poll, AYW getting more support than WBTM... I could not see them without voting, which I did only today after getting my copy of WBTM yesterday (and hadn’t listened to anything before that).
As I’m gonna be on Noel’s side on this one, and not that I need to justify myself, but I’ve been following Oasis and the Gallaghers since ’94, buying every album and tour around me if they were involved. I’d even say that my sympathy would go a little more on Liam’s side, maybe because I think he’s the weaker one, not being credited for the hardest part (writing the songs), and being the least intelligent (give me that).
So, back to the topic, AYW vs WBTM.
I’ll draw an analogy to explain how I feel about AYW. Liam is like the owner of this restaurant I know, where they do the best hand-made burgers you can eat. The owner his a friend of mine, he really knows how to cook and he is really nice. Then AYW is as if McDonald’s (Warner and the co-writers) comes over and takes the place, hiring my friend to manage it. I can enjoy a McDonald’s from time to time, I still love my friend, he is still very nice and he can even add a little something to the regular McDonald’s burger. But at the end of the day, it’s just a McDonald’s with a little upgrade, it feels quite generic, formulaic, even flat, you can have it but you just can’t compare it to the place it was before.
On the other side, Noel is as authentic as he ever was. He still writes everything, and whether you like his new direction with Holmes' production or not (I’m not the biggest fan in particular), he sounds fresh, thrilling, there’s a real musical depth in WBTM.
What I mean is, to me, AYW and WBTM aren’t even in the same league... Talking football, WBTM would be playing the Premier and Champions League, and AYW would be playing the Championship.
Don’t know if it makes any sense, just my opinion anyway.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 30, 2017 12:25:27 GMT -5
I’m shocked with results of this poll, AYW getting more support than WBTM... I could not see them without voting, which I did only today after getting my copy of WBTM yesterday (and hadn’t listened to anything before that). As I’m gonna be on Noel’s side on this one, and not that I need to justify myself, but I’ve been following Oasis and the Gallaghers since ’94, buying every album and tour around me if they were involved. I’d even say that my sympathy would go a little more on Liam’s side, maybe because I think he’s the weaker one, not being credited for the hardest part (writing the songs), and being the least intelligent (give me that). So, back to the topic, AYW vs WBTM. I’ll draw an analogy to explain how I feel about AYW. Liam is like the owner of this restaurant I know, where they do the best hand-made burgers you can eat. The owner his a friend of mine, he really knows how to cook and he is really nice. Then AYW is as if McDonald’s (Warner and the co-writers) comes over and takes the place, hiring my friend to manage it. I can enjoy a McDonald’s from time to time, I still love my friend, he is still very nice and he can even add a little something to the regular McDonald’s burger. But at the end of the day, it’s just a McDonald’s with a little upgrade, it feels quite generic, formulaic, even flat, you can have it but you just can’t compare it to the place it was before. On the other side, Noel is as authentic as he ever was. He still writes everything, and whether you like his new direction with Holmes' production or not (I’m not the biggest fan in particular), he sounds fresh, thrilling, there’s a real musical depth in WBTM. What I mean is, to me, AYW and WBTM aren’t even in the same league... Talking football, WBTM would be playing the Premier and Champions League, and AYW would be playing the Championship. Don’t know if it makes any sense, just my opinion anyway. I totally understand any one who would prefer WBTM, its a well made album but Liam did write and is credited for the balance of the work on AYW. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Nov 30, 2017 12:37:17 GMT -5
Who'd of thought before both albums were released that a poll would of end up in Liam's favour? I certainly would not of believed it in a million years. But the people have spoken and I believe the results are accurate and correct.
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Post by andymorris on Nov 30, 2017 12:58:09 GMT -5
I’m shocked with results of this poll, AYW getting more support than WBTM... I could not see them without voting, which I did only today after getting my copy of WBTM yesterday (and hadn’t listened to anything before that). As I’m gonna be on Noel’s side on this one, and not that I need to justify myself, but I’ve been following Oasis and the Gallaghers since ’94, buying every album and tour around me if they were involved. I’d even say that my sympathy would go a little more on Liam’s side, maybe because I think he’s the weaker one, not being credited for the hardest part (writing the songs), and being the least intelligent (give me that). So, back to the topic, AYW vs WBTM. I’ll draw an analogy to explain how I feel about AYW. Liam is like the owner of this restaurant I know, where they do the best hand-made burgers you can eat. The owner his a friend of mine, he really knows how to cook and he is really nice. Then AYW is as if McDonald’s (Warner and the co-writers) comes over and takes the place, hiring my friend to manage it. I can enjoy a McDonald’s from time to time, I still love my friend, he is still very nice and he can even add a little something to the regular McDonald’s burger. But at the end of the day, it’s just a McDonald’s with a little upgrade, it feels quite generic, formulaic, even flat, you can have it but you just can’t compare it to the place it was before. On the other side, Noel is as authentic as he ever was. He still writes everything, and whether you like his new direction with Holmes' production or not (I’m not the biggest fan in particular), he sounds fresh, thrilling, there’s a real musical depth in WBTM. What I mean is, to me, AYW and WBTM aren’t even in the same league... Talking football, WBTM would be playing the Premier and Champions League, and AYW would be playing the Championship. Don’t know if it makes any sense, just my opinion anyway. Good post, great post indeed. Problem is the people who voted for AYW don't care who writes the song or the concept of a songwriter. They are not here for the artist side of things, the craftsmanship of making a record from birth to release. They just want the tunes sung by Liam, and that we can fully accept. A good time with Liam is always nice. But there is something missing: authencity. I'm also very skeptical of the input he's had on the co-written songs. This was never really explained in details and Liam remained really, really vague about it in interviews. Going from 2 songs to 13 quality tunes overnight, Liam really had a creative peek in those months... Now, as i said i like As You Were for what it is, a pop rock record written by a collective. A good product, something you put casually and appreciate. And i truly believe Liam's fully written songs on the record are among the best he's written. I've always been supportive of his songwriting and believe he can do much much more. And I too find it weird that his fans are settling for such a Robbie Williams deal. I'll compare Liam's effort with Noel's when songwriting credits goes: written by Liam Gallagher on all songsUntil then as you said, Noel is in another league. |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 30, 2017 13:22:18 GMT -5
Who'd of thought before both albums were released that a poll would of end up in Liam's favour? I certainly would not of believed it in a million years. But the people have spoken and I believe the results are accurate and correct. That's because you would assume, as we all did, that the album would be written by Liam alone. If you had said they had picked the 3-4 best Liam songs and got professional songwriters for the rest, it would have been less of a shock. Not saying that wasn't the right decision, though, because it absolutely was. |
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Post by chamu on Nov 30, 2017 13:26:14 GMT -5
I’m shocked with results of this poll, AYW getting more support than WBTM... I could not see them without voting, which I did only today after getting my copy of WBTM yesterday (and hadn’t listened to anything before that). As I’m gonna be on Noel’s side on this one, and not that I need to justify myself, but I’ve been following Oasis and the Gallaghers since ’94, buying every album and tour around me if they were involved. I’d even say that my sympathy would go a little more on Liam’s side, maybe because I think he’s the weaker one, not being credited for the hardest part (writing the songs), and being the least intelligent (give me that). So, back to the topic, AYW vs WBTM. I’ll draw an analogy to explain how I feel about AYW. Liam is like the owner of this restaurant I know, where they do the best hand-made burgers you can eat. The owner his a friend of mine, he really knows how to cook and he is really nice. Then AYW is as if McDonald’s (Warner and the co-writers) comes over and takes the place, hiring my friend to manage it. I can enjoy a McDonald’s from time to time, I still love my friend, he is still very nice and he can even add a little something to the regular McDonald’s burger. But at the end of the day, it’s just a McDonald’s with a little upgrade, it feels quite generic, formulaic, even flat, you can have it but you just can’t compare it to the place it was before. On the other side, Noel is as authentic as he ever was. He still writes everything, and whether you like his new direction with Holmes' production or not (I’m not the biggest fan in particular), he sounds fresh, thrilling, there’s a real musical depth in WBTM. What I mean is, to me, AYW and WBTM aren’t even in the same league... Talking football, WBTM would be playing the Premier and Champions League, and AYW would be playing the Championship. Don’t know if it makes any sense, just my opinion anyway. Good post, great post indeed. Problem is the people who voted for AYW don't care who writes the song or the concept of a songwriter. They are not here for the artist side of things, the craftsmanship of making a record from birth to release. They just want the tunes sung by Liam, and that we can fully accept. A good time with Liam is always nice. But there is something missing: authencity. I'm also very skeptical of the input he's had on the co-written songs. This was never really explained in details and Liam remained really, really vague about it in interviews. Going from 2 songs to 13 quality tunes overnight, Liam really had a creative peek in those months... Now, as i said i like As You Were for what it is, a pop rock record written by a collective. A good product, something you put casually and appreciate. And i truly believe Liam's fully written songs on the record are among the best he's written. I've always been supportive of his songwriting and believe he can do much much more. And I too find it weird that his fans are settling for such a Robbie Williams deal. I'll compare Liam's effort with Noel's when songwriting credits goes: written by Liam Gallagher on all songsUntil then as you said, Noel is in another league. I'm not buying that songwriting thing. Liam has written 8 out of 15 songs only by himself. Yes, Noel has written all WBTM by himself. But, for me, songwriting is the weakest thing on his new album. If you read carefully this album booklet, you'll see how many people are involved on it. Is Noel really important on the sound of it? I think David Holmes and all of his co-workers are very responsibles of the arrangements. And we can agree this album is more bout the sound, the groove than bout the songs. So i really doubt about what record is more authentic. AYW is as Liam as it could be |
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Post by pedrobrasil on Nov 30, 2017 13:33:12 GMT -5
Its funny to see some people can't accept facts.The majority liked more one album because they think its better.Simple as that.Write ten times your opinion won't change others opinion.As you Were won by a mile.Accept and move on.
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Post by jason77 on Nov 30, 2017 13:59:52 GMT -5
It’s a matter opinion end of as you were is more commercial and it’s no surprise he will sell more who built the moon is as far away from the oasis sound you could get.who built the moon sounds great if you listen to it start to finish but there are no outstanding singles on it.The people working with Liam got it spot on to be honest loads of catchy tunes any number of them could be singles.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Nov 30, 2017 14:01:39 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of last year's U.S. presidential election....
Godzilla bless.
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Post by andymorris on Nov 30, 2017 14:22:27 GMT -5
Good post, great post indeed. Problem is the people who voted for AYW don't care who writes the song or the concept of a songwriter. They are not here for the artist side of things, the craftsmanship of making a record from birth to release. They just want the tunes sung by Liam, and that we can fully accept. A good time with Liam is always nice. But there is something missing: authencity. I'm also very skeptical of the input he's had on the co-written songs. This was never really explained in details and Liam remained really, really vague about it in interviews. Going from 2 songs to 13 quality tunes overnight, Liam really had a creative peek in those months... Now, as i said i like As You Were for what it is, a pop rock record written by a collective. A good product, something you put casually and appreciate. And i truly believe Liam's fully written songs on the record are among the best he's written. I've always been supportive of his songwriting and believe he can do much much more. And I too find it weird that his fans are settling for such a Robbie Williams deal. I'll compare Liam's effort with Noel's when songwriting credits goes: written by Liam Gallagher on all songsUntil then as you said, Noel is in another league. I'm not buying that songwriting thing. Liam has written 8 out of 15 songs only by himself. Yes, Noel has written all WBTM by himself. But, for me, songwriting is the weakest thing on his new album. If you read carefully this album booklet, you'll see how many people are involved on it. Is Noel really important on the sound of it? I think David Holmes and all of his co-workers are very responsibles of the arrangements. And we can agree this album is more bout the sound, the groove than bout the songs. So i really doubt about what record is more authentic. AYW is as Liam as it could be You're talking about producing. Not songwriting. Songwriting and producing are two very different things. Do you think Noel came up with DM, MG and BHN sound ? Of course he didn't. That's the producer's job, it was Owen Morris' trademark. Same with the Beatles and George Martin. Noel's in the studio and the producer is directing him, it's always been that way. I'm really talking about the song only : chords, melody. the songwriter's job. The barebone of music, when there is only you and your acoustic guitar. In this category, Liam has written 8 good songs. No one is denying that. But what about the others, the ones that really propelled his solo career, the ones that makes this record a bit above Beady Eye (WOG mainly...) , what happened with those songs ? I'd be the first to applaud if they were 90% Liam written. But it's probably way less than that. Because they are really different from the rest of his back catalogue or even the rest of the record. that's the problem i have with As You Were and Liam's solo career. It's Liam + pre cooked stuff. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Nov 30, 2017 14:49:23 GMT -5
I really gave Noel a chance, but his album just doesn't work for me. At the end of the day, music is all about the style. I just can't listen to heavy metal or some folk music, it doesn't matter how great those songs might be, their structures, melodies etc. Oasis in the 90s was always right measure for me, their style, tempo, attitude...is 100% what I like, not too mellow but also not too crazy and fast and kitsch like metal bands are with their clothes and dragons and hairs and shit. Also, people like Lennon or Bowie are more man of taste in my book, I prefer their music style more than then their melodies and structures etc. Lennon can take some shitty pop song and record it and make it great with his vocals and vision for production. And shitty pop band can take Lennon's song and turn it into shit and then you won't even notice that it is actually great song with great melody.
Oasis had style, melodies and attitude. I think that we all learned by now that we should lower are standards when we are getting new Gallagher's albums and that we can't expect DM and MG. I didn't like Liam's album after first listen, but fuck it, I was pretentious prick expecting I don't know what from him. He is not going to change music world in 2017 and I've learned to appreciate what we got from him, shadows of Oasis style, melodies and attitude. But that's the style, melodies and attitude that I fucking love. Yes, I am that nostalgic, parka monkey, but fuck it, I can't change that and I don't want, I like that.
Noel gave us something else. And I respect him for that and I didn't say bad word about this album but it's just not for me. I just don't like it and I would never like that music if it was from some other artist. I don't like that shit talk - listen to it with quality headphones, give it 32523 chances and then you'll like it etc. I don't like that sound coming out of my speakers, it's like when you listen to some African music or stuff like that, even if you don't know anything about it, don't understand the words...it's either you like what you hear or not. To me, Noel's album doesn't sound like good music. It's annoying. Maybe it's just his vocals because sometimes I sing Noel's new songs in my head and they sounds good and then I play them and don't like them. He said that Holmes told him to sing in whatever key they made the song and not to adjust it to his voice and to me that's fucking stupid idea. I generally hate how both Gallaghers are 99% of the time just shouting but for Liam that works better. I would like them to think more about vocals, to hear something like when Bowie sings - ''Tell my wife I love her very much/ she knows''. That's what I call being creative, not adding milion layers to song on computer. It's 2017 and it's boring for 40 years already.
So, AS YOU, AS YOU, AS YOU FUCKING WERE!
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Post by funhouse on Nov 30, 2017 15:01:04 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of last year's U.S. presidential election.... Godzilla bless. I voted for Liam. The lesser of two evils. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Nov 30, 2017 15:49:05 GMT -5
Who'd of thought before both albums were released that a poll would of end up in Liam's favour? I certainly would not of believed it in a million years. But the people have spoken and I believe the results are accurate and correct. That's because you would assume, as we all did, that the album would be written by Liam alone. If you had said they had picked the 3-4 best Liam songs and got professional songwriters for the rest, it would have been less of a shock. Not saying that wasn't the right decision, though, because it absolutely was. No. We knew Liam was collaborating for quite sometime before the album was released and and there's no way I'd of thought these people could cobble together a better album than Noel Gallagher. |
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Post by glider on Nov 30, 2017 15:57:21 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of last year's U.S. presidential election.... Godzilla bless. I voted for Liam. The lesser of two evils. I never understood the term "less of two evils". Still evil, just not as evil ya know! People don't vote for good no more? |
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 30, 2017 16:01:27 GMT -5
I’m shocked with results of this poll, AYW getting more support than WBTM... I could not see them without voting, which I did only today after getting my copy of WBTM yesterday (and hadn’t listened to anything before that). As I’m gonna be on Noel’s side on this one, and not that I need to justify myself, but I’ve been following Oasis and the Gallaghers since ’94, buying every album and tour around me if they were involved. I’d even say that my sympathy would go a little more on Liam’s side, maybe because I think he’s the weaker one, not being credited for the hardest part (writing the songs), and being the least intelligent (give me that). So, back to the topic, AYW vs WBTM. I’ll draw an analogy to explain how I feel about AYW. Liam is like the owner of this restaurant I know, where they do the best hand-made burgers you can eat. The owner his a friend of mine, he really knows how to cook and he is really nice. Then AYW is as if McDonald’s (Warner and the co-writers) comes over and takes the place, hiring my friend to manage it. I can enjoy a McDonald’s from time to time, I still love my friend, he is still very nice and he can even add a little something to the regular McDonald’s burger. But at the end of the day, it’s just a McDonald’s with a little upgrade, it feels quite generic, formulaic, even flat, you can have it but you just can’t compare it to the place it was before. On the other side, Noel is as authentic as he ever was. He still writes everything, and whether you like his new direction with Holmes' production or not (I’m not the biggest fan in particular), he sounds fresh, thrilling, there’s a real musical depth in WBTM. What I mean is, to me, AYW and WBTM aren’t even in the same league... Talking football, WBTM would be playing the Premier and Champions League, and AYW would be playing the Championship. Don’t know if it makes any sense, just my opinion anyway. Good post, great post indeed. Problem is the people who voted for AYW don't care who writes the song or the concept of a songwriter. They are not here for the artist side of things, the craftsmanship of making a record from birth to release. They just want the tunes sung by Liam, and that we can fully accept. A good time with Liam is always nice. But there is something missing: authencity. |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 30, 2017 16:03:01 GMT -5
That's because you would assume, as we all did, that the album would be written by Liam alone. If you had said they had picked the 3-4 best Liam songs and got professional songwriters for the rest, it would have been less of a shock. Not saying that wasn't the right decision, though, because it absolutely was. No. We knew Liam was collaborating for quite sometime before the album was released and and there's no way I'd of thought these people could cobble together a better album than Noel Gallagher. Sorry, thought you said "a year before". |
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Post by funhouse on Nov 30, 2017 16:07:03 GMT -5
I voted for Liam. The lesser of two evils. I never understood the term "less of two evils". Still evil, just not as evil ya know! People don't vote for good no more? I didn't really mean that, it was just a nod to the post I responded to  |
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Post by Sternumman on Nov 30, 2017 16:09:46 GMT -5
I’m a Noel Fanboy. Hated both Beady Eye albums, disliked most of the Liam penned Oasis songs and real enjoyed the two NGHFB albums. That being said I much prefer AYW.
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Post by oasis6 on Nov 30, 2017 20:03:33 GMT -5
I got over the whole "Liam didn't write it" thing (its not like he didn't write, I'm just exaggerating to make a point) when I realized all my favourite Oasis tunes were written by Noel and sung by Liam anyways. So like, pretend this album, he just had a different Noel with him.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 1, 2017 0:39:19 GMT -5
I got over the whole "Liam didn't write it" thing (its not like he didn't write, I'm just exaggerating to make a point) when I realized all my favourite Oasis tunes were written by Noel and sung by Liam anyways. So like, pretend this album, he just had a different Noel with him. The fact that AYW is far better than anything from Beady Eye shows this move has worked for Liam, so I don't mind he has a team of writers helping out with the songs, as long as the album is good - which it is. The only difference when comparing it to Noel is, there are songwriters, and there are songwriters. Noel can do the stuff on AYW in his sleep, and his genius at writing is in a different league. It was always going to be more interesting to know where Noel is going next on his musical journey as a songwriter, even if Liam is winning the hearts and minds of a new generation as a rock star. Its a great combination to keep the Oasis legacy rolling onward. |
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Post by mape on Dec 1, 2017 1:21:47 GMT -5
If we discount the songs Liam didn't write himself and the ones that he has co-writing credits on, then I would still go with the 8 remaining Liam penned songs over WBTM.
I wish people would remember that he wrote more than half the album and co-wrote most of the rest instead of just parroting the crap that is coming out of Noel's mouth during interviews these days.
We should also probably remember that without Holmes holding Noel's hand through the entire recording process he wouldn't have been able to achieve this 'new sound'. He has said himself in numerous interviews that they did most of their work on the songs while together in the studio.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 1, 2017 1:27:35 GMT -5
If we discount the songs Liam didn't write himself and the ones that he has co-writing credits on, then I would still go with the 8 remaining Liam penned songs over WBTM. I wish people would remember that he wrote more than half the album and co-wrote most of the rest instead of just parroting the crap that is coming out of Noel's mouth during interviews these days. We should also probably remember that without Holmes holding Noel's hand through the entire recording process he wouldn't have been able to achieve this 'new sound'. He has said himself in numerous interviews that they did most of their work on the songs while together in the studio. Without Holmes we would have gotten Chasing Yesterday Part 2. I think a lot of people would still really like/want that. |
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