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Post by edinburghrock on Sept 30, 2017 3:25:08 GMT -5
Then.
Now.
It's been talked about a lot but what the f happened? Couldn't a singing coach do something about it?
It looks like he used to be quite relaxed and sang more quietly and now he belts it out as loud as he can - could this be something to do with it?
I love watching him perform but i actually sometimes feel stressed out about how he sounds.
He still sounds ace in the studio though.
People say he ruined his voice with too many gigs but I can't think of any other examples of that.... Maybe someone like Adele has had voice issues and her voice has changed a bit but she still sings in tune..
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Post by Jgrp on Sept 30, 2017 3:39:08 GMT -5
Ye let's have another thread to discuss Liam's voice. Again.
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Post by edinburghrock on Sept 30, 2017 4:23:14 GMT -5
Ye let's have another thread to discuss Liam's voice. Again. [/quuote] Those videos just struck me as a great example of what happened.... It's like it's a different person singing. I also love Ian Brown..... He could never sing great live and still can't.... It would be great if something could be done about Liam.... It could be some really simple things that a singing coach could sort but maybe Liam is too proud to go that way. I think it is the main reason Noel left Oasis.... The singer lost his voice.
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 30, 2017 4:32:30 GMT -5
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Post by elephantstone93 on Sept 30, 2017 4:39:19 GMT -5
It’s nowhere near as clean live now, obviously, but I still love it. Gives it an edge.
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Post by edinburghrock on Sept 30, 2017 7:00:44 GMT -5
Thanks for all the links... Really interesting to see all that. I still can't get past the fact that he: - used to sing in tune - didn't used to sound nasally - didn't used to shout - didn't used to pull away from the Mike All the other examples of voices sounding different now are fine... But they can still sing nicely e.g. the Paul Weller example someone put up. I just don't understand how he can't sing now.... I have a horrible feeling it's purely down to him, over the years, unlearning how to sing.... Because he was trying to act hard (loud and shouting) or cool or something.... And therefore could it all be sorted by a voice coach? I think a raspier maturer Liam would be ace... If he was able to sing in tune and not through his nose. It just can't be that he has simply lost the ability to sing in tune.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 7:24:16 GMT -5
Lots of factors: drug use, posture, Noel's amps, extensive world tours, not taking care, Hashimoto's, natural aging etc etc etc.
I'm just happy he's halted the decline and got it back to a decent place. He won't improve again from here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 7:33:38 GMT -5
Here's a theory on Liam vs Weller that's not based on any real knowledge but makes sense in my head:
Weller's songs don't really extend words in the way Noel's do. It's mostly all short and sharp. Liam was always singing things like:
"Toniiiiiiiiiight I'm a rock n roll staaaaar" "There we weeeeeere, now heeeeere we aaaaaaare" "Maybeeeeeeeeee, I don't really wanna knooooooow"
Add his awful singing posture and sheer volume and that feels like a great recipe for ripping your vocal chords to shreds.
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Post by Rolo on Sept 30, 2017 7:40:13 GMT -5
25 years of heavy touring, his stance, drug abuse and Liam's vocal style (singing from his throat). Also add to the fact that he is 45 now. I'm so chuffed with the way he's sounding at the moment considering all that. Go back a few years and he had no power, no rasp in his voice, just pure nasally vocals. Bring on December!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 7:54:26 GMT -5
Let's discuss Noel's clothes in that 1994 video. Awful.
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Post by OasisDG on Sept 30, 2017 8:01:23 GMT -5
I think he sounds absolutely great right now. I can't really think of anyone of his stature that sounds as good now as when they first hit the scene. Even someone like Dave Grohl who is a absolutely fantastic performer sounds different to what he did 15 years ago.
I agree that 2005 - 2009 were not good years for LG and I never listen to gigs from this period but right now and susprisingly on the softer songs he has great tone and good control.
Im still always nervous that he is going to show himself up on the big stage but I think he has completely blown everyone away with how much better he sounds right now, in fact I'd say that the way he sounds now would be a respectable decline from his 90s voice considering he is completely past his peak.
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Post by janedoe on Sept 30, 2017 8:18:46 GMT -5
Thanks for all the links... Really interesting to see all that. I still can't get past the fact that he: - used to sing in tune - didn't used to sound nasally - didn't used to shout - didn't used to pull away from the Mike All the other examples of voices sounding different now are fine... But they can still sing nicely e.g. the Paul Weller example someone put up. I just don't understand how he can't sing now.... I have a horrible feeling it's purely down to him, over the years, unlearning how to sing.... Because he was trying to act hard (loud and shouting) or cool or something.... And therefore could it all be sorted by a voice coach? I think a raspier maturer Liam would be ace... If he was able to sing in tune and not through his nose. It just can't be that he has simply lost the ability to sing in tune. There's something compelling in Liam's voice. Other voices at One Love were prettier, but this is the best performance from that day.
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Post by august on Sept 30, 2017 8:20:17 GMT -5
I think he sounds absolutely great right now. I can't really think of anyone of his stature that sounds as good now as when they first hit the scene. Even someone like Dave Grohl who is a absolutely fantastic performer sounds different to what he did 15 years ago. I agree that 2005 - 2009 were not good years for LG and I never listen to gigs from this period but right now and susprisingly on the softer songs he has great tone and good control. Im still always nervous that he is going to show himself up on the big stage but I think he has completely blown everyone away with how much better he sounds right now, in fact I'd say that the way he sounds now would be a respectable decline from his 90s voice considering he is completely past his peak. I would rather put it this way: I can't really think of anyone of his stature whose vocals has deteriorated as badly and as fast. He went from the best frontman on earth to a great joke in just a few years. He started to sound crap somewhere around 2000/2001 or maybe 2002. That's a quite unique vocal deterioration among rock singers. I know of very few similar cases in the industry. Liam's vocal problems are extraordinary and unique, and his recent ''improvement'' is not nearly enough to make him sound good again. He still sounds mostly very bad. For instance, Wall of glass live is just horrible. This is the mainstream opinion among most people who are not writing on this forum, i.e. people who are not so completely used to Liam's horrible live vocals during the last decade that they think he suddenly sounds ''mega'' just because he doesn't embarrass himself to billions of people as he did during The Olympics. Sorry for my english.
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Post by august on Sept 30, 2017 8:25:40 GMT -5
Thanks for all the links... Really interesting to see all that. I still can't get past the fact that he: - used to sing in tune - didn't used to sound nasally - didn't used to shout - didn't used to pull away from the Mike All the other examples of voices sounding different now are fine... But they can still sing nicely e.g. the Paul Weller example someone put up. I just don't understand how he can't sing now.... I have a horrible feeling it's purely down to him, over the years, unlearning how to sing.... Because he was trying to act hard (loud and shouting) or cool or something.... And therefore could it all be sorted by a voice coach? I think a raspier maturer Liam would be ace... If he was able to sing in tune and not through his nose. It just can't be that he has simply lost the ability to sing in tune. There's something compelling in Liam's voice. Other voices at One Love were prettier, but this is the best performance from that day. I think that performance was crap. His voice sounds horrible to me.
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Post by GlastoEls on Sept 30, 2017 8:28:21 GMT -5
I think he sounds absolutely great right now. I can't really think of anyone of his stature that sounds as good now as when they first hit the scene. Even someone like Dave Grohl who is a absolutely fantastic performer sounds different to what he did 15 years ago. I agree that 2005 - 2009 were not good years for LG and I never listen to gigs from this period but right now and susprisingly on the softer songs he has great tone and good control. Im still always nervous that he is going to show himself up on the big stage but I think he has completely blown everyone away with how much better he sounds right now, in fact I'd say that the way he sounds now would be a respectable decline from his 90s voice considering he is completely past his peak. I would rather put it this way: I can't really think of anyone of his stature whose vocals has deteriorated as badly and as fast. He went from the best frontman on earth to a great joke in just a few years. He started to sound crap somewhere around 2000/2001 or maybe 2002. That's a quite unique vocal deterioration among rock singers. I know of very few similar cases in the industry. Liam's vocal problems are extraordinary and unique, and his recent ''improvement'' is not nearly enough to make him sound good again. He still sounds mostly very bad. For instance, Wall of glass live is just horrible. This is the mainstream opinion among most people who are not writing on this forum, i.e. people who are not so completely used to Liam's horrible live vocals during the last decade that they think he suddenly sounds ''mega'' just because he doesn't embarrass himself to billions of people as he did during The Olympics. Sorry for my english. If you'd have written that post in 2009, or 2013 then you might have had a point. In 2017, I disagree firmly.
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Post by mancraider on Sept 30, 2017 8:32:57 GMT -5
I thinks there's a modern phenomena were every live performance is recorded on a hundred low quality smartphones and inspected by every armchair critic on social media. In the past the only time you would hear someone was listening to the record or being at the gig. And as with Liam even when he sounds bad on a recording people who are at the gig seem to enjoy it.
I remember listening to a recording of John Lennon singing live back in the early eighties (I was very young) and thinking he sounded terrible.
Not to say Liam doesn't have his unique vocal issues as he certainly does.
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Post by edinburghrock on Sept 30, 2017 8:42:56 GMT -5
"That's a quite unique vocal deterioration among rock singers" (from above)
This sums it up for me. It frustrate the hell out of me as I think there must be a way to sort it out... In terms of singing in tune and not nasally.
I struggle to compare it to anything.... It's kind of like someone forgetting how to ride a bike. Or if Ronaldo wasn't able to do kicky uppys any more.
This makes me convinced a voice coach would sort this no bother. Maybe Liam is too proud to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 8:51:45 GMT -5
I remember listening to a recording of John Lennon singing live back in the early eighties (I was very young) and thinking he sounded terrible. He got shot dead in 1980, so I think we can cut the guy some slack for early 80s performances...
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Post by mancraider on Sept 30, 2017 9:07:30 GMT -5
I remember listening to a recording of John Lennon singing live back in the early eighties (I was very young) and thinking he sounded terrible. He got shot dead in 1980, so I think we can cut the guy some slack for early 80s performances... No excuse. He was shit.
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Post by ricardogce on Sept 30, 2017 9:29:13 GMT -5
Thanks for all the links... Really interesting to see all that. I still can't get past the fact that he: - used to sing in tune - didn't used to sound nasally - didn't used to shout - didn't used to pull away from the Mike All the other examples of voices sounding different now are fine... But they can still sing nicely e.g. the Paul Weller example someone put up. I just don't understand how he can't sing now.... I have a horrible feeling it's purely down to him, over the years, unlearning how to sing.... Because he was trying to act hard (loud and shouting) or cool or something.... And therefore could it all be sorted by a voice coach? I think a raspier maturer Liam would be ace... If he was able to sing in tune and not through his nose. It just can't be that he has simply lost the ability to sing in tune.This has got to be a troll.
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Post by ricardogce on Sept 30, 2017 9:30:01 GMT -5
I think he sounds absolutely great right now. I can't really think of anyone of his stature that sounds as good now as when they first hit the scene. Even someone like Dave Grohl who is a absolutely fantastic performer sounds different to what he did 15 years ago. I agree that 2005 - 2009 were not good years for LG and I never listen to gigs from this period but right now and susprisingly on the softer songs he has great tone and good control. Im still always nervous that he is going to show himself up on the big stage but I think he has completely blown everyone away with how much better he sounds right now, in fact I'd say that the way he sounds now would be a respectable decline from his 90s voice considering he is completely past his peak. I would rather put it this way: I can't really think of anyone of his stature whose vocals has deteriorated as badly and as fast. He went from the best frontman on earth to a great joke in just a few years. He started to sound crap somewhere around 2000/2001 or maybe 2002. That's a quite unique vocal deterioration among rock singers. I know of very few similar cases in the industry. Liam's vocal problems are extraordinary and unique, and his recent ''improvement'' is not nearly enough to make him sound good again. He still sounds mostly very bad. For instance, Wall of glass live is just horrible. This is the mainstream opinion among most people who are not writing on this forum, i.e. people who are not so completely used to Liam's horrible live vocals during the last decade that they think he suddenly sounds ''mega'' just because he doesn't embarrass himself to billions of people as he did during The Olympics. Sorry for my english. Don't apologize for your English, apologize for posting at all.
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Post by OasisDG on Sept 30, 2017 9:52:18 GMT -5
I think he sounds absolutely great right now. I can't really think of anyone of his stature that sounds as good now as when they first hit the scene. Even someone like Dave Grohl who is a absolutely fantastic performer sounds different to what he did 15 years ago. I agree that 2005 - 2009 were not good years for LG and I never listen to gigs from this period but right now and susprisingly on the softer songs he has great tone and good control. Im still always nervous that he is going to show himself up on the big stage but I think he has completely blown everyone away with how much better he sounds right now, in fact I'd say that the way he sounds now would be a respectable decline from his 90s voice considering he is completely past his peak. I would rather put it this way: I can't really think of anyone of his stature whose vocals has deteriorated as badly and as fast. He went from the best frontman on earth to a great joke in just a few years. He started to sound crap somewhere around 2000/2001 or maybe 2002. That's a quite unique vocal deterioration among rock singers. I know of very few similar cases in the industry. Liam's vocal problems are extraordinary and unique, and his recent ''improvement'' is not nearly enough to make him sound good again. He still sounds mostly very bad. For instance, Wall of glass live is just horrible. This is the mainstream opinion among most people who are not writing on this forum, i.e. people who are not so completely used to Liam's horrible live vocals during the last decade that they think he suddenly sounds ''mega'' just because he doesn't embarrass himself to billions of people as he did during The Olympics. Sorry for my english. To be honest, I don't actually care what you have to say. You were boring after your first 2 posts. A notification from you is like seeing a jehova witness at your door. Good day!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 9:52:49 GMT -5
It´s amazing how some members only appear to create topics or shit on Liam´s voice in an existing one. It always seems so fishy to me.
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Post by carlober on Sept 30, 2017 9:54:51 GMT -5
I would rather put it this way: I can't really think of anyone of his stature whose vocals has deteriorated as badly and as fast. He went from the best frontman on earth to a great joke in just a few years. He started to sound crap somewhere around 2000/2001 or maybe 2002. That's a quite unique vocal deterioration among rock singers. I know of very few similar cases in the industry. Liam's vocal problems are extraordinary and unique, and his recent ''improvement'' is not nearly enough to make him sound good again. He still sounds mostly very bad. For instance, Wall of glass live is just horrible. This is the mainstream opinion among most people who are not writing on this forum, i.e. people who are not so completely used to Liam's horrible live vocals during the last decade that they think he suddenly sounds ''mega'' just because he doesn't embarrass himself to billions of people as he did during The Olympics. Sorry for my english. You're a broken record, man. Why do you keep on saying the same thing over and over again?
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Post by OasisDG on Sept 30, 2017 9:57:07 GMT -5
It´s amazing how some members only appear to create topics or shit on Liam´s voice in an existing one. It always seems so fishy to me. To be fair it's not just this forum. You go to a Fifa forum and there will be a Pro Evo fan there, wherever there is competition there will be vaginas.
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