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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 15, 2017 11:18:11 GMT -5
Wonderwall was a massive hit single. Absolutely massive and it was played everywhere to death. The USA media really played up the second coming of The Beatles angle and of course made tons of headlines for fighting. These days they are mostly remembered for Wonderwall and antics. Plus every kid learning to play a guitar learns Wonderwall eventually. When I was in college 2000-2004, there was always someone playing Wonderwall on acoustic guitar. I cant help but wish someone actually managed the manage the band then. Would have been the easiest thing in the world to do if the whole relationship between Liam and Noel was just an act like some still think. If I ranked their 90s radio/tv succsss in terms of popularity and chart run it would be: 1. Wonderwall 2. Champagne Supernova 3. Live Forever 4. Don't Look Back In Anger I don't recall any other songs getting immense exposure. A little bit of DYKWIM and DGA but they sunk so fast.
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Post by Velo on Aug 15, 2017 11:30:04 GMT -5
one thing that really irritates me is the notion that singing higher=better singer eg. ariana grande doing extended vocal runs to show off her notes, from MY point of view, liam belting out the words sounds far better than his falsetto, this bullshit way of judging vocals (probably stemming from the likes of Xfactor) is likely why FWIW was recorded so damn high, some pop music loving idiot producer probably told liam to "give it your best!", the chorus sounds awful compared to the live version, which actually sounds like a classic oasis power ballad. might seem like a pointless thing to rant about but i fucking hate how liam did this just to pander to the plebs. music doesnt have to be high pitched to sound good for fucks sake, ian curtis is one of my favourite vocalists and hes likened to homer simpson ok rant over, ill be listening to this version of FWIW on repeat if anyone needs me Half of Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory have pitched up vocals if we're being real here... It's good to see that he really went hard for the live performance but given that this was right before Chicago, it's clear how much going all out had an impact on his vocals.
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Aug 15, 2017 11:36:40 GMT -5
If I ranked their 90s radio/tv succsss in terms of popularity and chart run it would be: 1. Wonderwall 2. Champagne Supernova 3. Live Forever 4. Don't Look Back In Anger I don't recall any other songs getting immense exposure. A little bit of DYKWIM and DGA but they sunk so fast. [/quote] In my area Morning Glory was played all the time. Rock and alternative stations. The driving guitars made that one very popular round these parts.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 15, 2017 11:37:11 GMT -5
one thing that really irritates me is the notion that singing higher=better singer eg. ariana grande doing extended vocal runs to show off her notes, from MY point of view, liam belting out the words sounds far better than his falsetto, this bullshit way of judging vocals (probably stemming from the likes of Xfactor) is likely why FWIW was recorded so damn high, some pop music loving idiot producer probably told liam to "give it your best!", the chorus sounds awful compared to the live version, which actually sounds like a classic oasis power ballad. might seem like a pointless thing to rant about but i fucking hate how liam did this just to pander to the plebs. music doesnt have to be high pitched to sound good for fucks sake, ian curtis is one of my favourite vocalists and hes likened to homer simpson ok rant over, ill be listening to this version of FWIW on repeat if anyone needs me Half of Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory have pitched up vocals if we're being real here... It's good to see that he really went hard for the live performance but given that this was right before Chicago, it's clear how much going all out had an impact on his vocals. Who knows what the issues were in Chicago. Could be voice. Could be personal. Could be something else.
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Post by Velo on Aug 15, 2017 11:39:06 GMT -5
Half of Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory have pitched up vocals if we're being real here... It's good to see that he really went hard for the live performance but given that this was right before Chicago, it's clear how much going all out had an impact on his vocals. Who knows what the issues were in Chicago. Could be voice. Could be personal. Could be something else. Oh definitely without a doubt there's more to it that none of us will be privy to know. Hopefully he saves his energy for Reading.
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Aug 15, 2017 11:49:13 GMT -5
Liam did fine. I really missed some strings though. That chorus should have sounded bigger Missed the strings as well. I've been wondering why they are not reproducing those with keyboards. Should be fairly simple.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 12:39:19 GMT -5
I cant help but wish someone actually managed the manage the band then. Would have been the easiest thing in the world to do if the whole relationship between Liam and Noel was just an act like some still think. If I ranked their 90s radio/tv succsss in terms of popularity and chart run it would be: 1. Wonderwall 2. Champagne Supernova 3. Live Forever 4. Don't Look Back In Anger I don't recall any other songs getting immense exposure. A little bit of DYKWIM and DGA but they sunk so fast. Wonderwall still gets play daily around here. Occasionally they throw in Champagne Supernova as well. ----- You're spot on with the above comment though.
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Post by thestylecouncil on Aug 15, 2017 13:40:55 GMT -5
amazing performance! very happy for Liam
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Post by blurareshit on Aug 15, 2017 13:46:32 GMT -5
1. Wonderwall 2. Champagne Supernova 3. Live Forever 4. Don't Look Back In Anger I don't recall any other songs getting immense exposure. A little bit of DYKWIM and DGA but they sunk so fast. Yeah, back in '96 Wonderwall was their biggest hit, with Champagne Supernova a close second (in fact, CS actually got more radio airplay that year according to Billboard). Live Forever got played a tiny bit on Top 40 stations and lots of MTV rotation. Same with Don't Look Back in Anger. DYKWIM didn't really get much Top 40 play, but was on MTV a lot. DGA did get a little Top 40 play as well as various other formats, but wasn't really played on MTV as much. Roll With It also got a little MTV rotation during the coverage of the Blur/Oasis singles battle, but no real airplay on any stations here (even alternative ones). As far as alternative/rock stations go, all the above songs were pretty big on there, as were Morning Glory and Supersonic to a slightly lesser extent. AATW got a decent amount of alternative play and Acquiesce a little bit as well. The last real impact I remember them making on alternative radio was Go Let it Out, but even that was short lived.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 15, 2017 13:50:44 GMT -5
If I ranked their 90s radio/tv succsss in terms of popularity and chart run it would be: 1. Wonderwall 2. Champagne Supernova 3. Live Forever 4. Don't Look Back In Anger I don't recall any other songs getting immense exposure. A little bit of DYKWIM and DGA but they sunk so fast. Wonderwall still gets play daily around here. Occasionally they throw in Champagne Supernova as well. ----- You're spot on with the above comment though. Wonderwall quite literally gets played nearly everyday on WKQX. That's the biggest ALT. station in Illinois (possibly in the midwest). Wonderwall also gets played a lot on XRT, which is the largest Adult Alternative station here. Campaign Supernova gets airplay a lot. Sometimes they play Live Forever and Don't Look Back in Anger. Oasis, Liam, and Noel have a lot of name recognition here. Unfortunately, that recognition is for all the wrong reasons. I mean, whenever Liam and Noel say anything controversial it literally all over the internet here. And that's when it'll get shared a millions times to me by my friends.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 15, 2017 13:53:59 GMT -5
1. Wonderwall 2. Champagne Supernova 3. Live Forever 4. Don't Look Back In Anger I don't recall any other songs getting immense exposure. A little bit of DYKWIM and DGA but they sunk so fast. Yeah, back in '96 Wonderwall was their biggest hit, with Champagne Supernova a close second (in fact, CS actually got more radio airplay that year according to Billboard). Live Forever got played a tiny bit on Top 40 stations and lots of MTV rotation. Same with Don't Look Back in Anger. DYKWIM didn't really get much Top 40 play, but was on MTV a lot. DGA did get a little Top 40 play as well as various other formats, but wasn't really played on MTV as much. Roll With It also got a little MTV rotation during the coverage of the Blur/Oasis singles battle, but no real airplay on any stations here (even alternative ones). As far as alternative/rock stations go, all the above songs were pretty big on there, as were Morning Glory and Supersonic to a slightly lesser extent. AATW got a decent amount of alternative play and Acquiesce a little bit as well. The last real impact I remember them making on alternative radio was Go Let it Out, but even that was short lived.TSOTL was actually a nice little tune for them here. It got them back on Hot 100, albeit at #93, for the first time since DLBIA. It also went to #12 on the Alt. stations. That was their biggest hit since DGA. DOYS also got them at top 5 album charting, their first since BHN. That came out when I was in high school, and it exposed a few people to Oasis. A lot of my friends who had never heard of Oasis before then, or had derided them if they did know, started looking more into them. They were on the comeback trail toward the end, imo. Even with all the bullshit.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Aug 15, 2017 14:06:01 GMT -5
Sounds brilliant on FWIW, really really good. When Liam is n form he really can't be beaten. His band on the other hand really lack in passion.
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Post by blurareshit on Aug 15, 2017 14:06:41 GMT -5
As for nowadays...
On the SiriusXM 90s pop station you hear about an even mix of WW and CS with the occasional DGA and rare DLBIA thrown in there (though as of late they seem to have removed it from their playlist).
The SiriusXM 90s alternative station, though, plays fairly even mix of WW, CS, DGA, DLBIA and Live Forever with the occasional DYKWIM, Supersonic, and Morning Glory.
To compare with other bands from the era, they come out pretty well.
I've heard Blur's Song 2 once on the 90s pop station and sometimes on the 90s alternative station (and Girls and Boys too once in a blue moon), and "There's No Other Way" once on the 80s alternative station.
I've heard The Stone Roses' "Love Spreads" sometimes on the 90s alt station and "Fools Gold" once on the 80s alternative station.
That's about it though.
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Post by Jgrp on Aug 15, 2017 14:09:04 GMT -5
Prefer this FWIW than the studio version. I like the studio but his vocals sound better on this, more 'liam'. Normally live TV has had a tendency to show him up ('ah he sounded amazing through that camera phone speaker honestly...') But this shows he's nailing it at the mo, there's no hiding place with soundboard recordings
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 14:10:05 GMT -5
I take it he didn't get an interview?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 15, 2017 14:11:23 GMT -5
I take it he didn't get an interview? Not a chance.
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Post by blurareshit on Aug 15, 2017 14:11:56 GMT -5
Yeah, back in '96 Wonderwall was their biggest hit, with Champagne Supernova a close second (in fact, CS actually got more radio airplay that year according to Billboard). Live Forever got played a tiny bit on Top 40 stations and lots of MTV rotation. Same with Don't Look Back in Anger. DYKWIM didn't really get much Top 40 play, but was on MTV a lot. DGA did get a little Top 40 play as well as various other formats, but wasn't really played on MTV as much. Roll With It also got a little MTV rotation during the coverage of the Blur/Oasis singles battle, but no real airplay on any stations here (even alternative ones). As far as alternative/rock stations go, all the above songs were pretty big on there, as were Morning Glory and Supersonic to a slightly lesser extent. AATW got a decent amount of alternative play and Acquiesce a little bit as well. The last real impact I remember them making on alternative radio was Go Let it Out, but even that was short lived.TSOTL was actually a nice little tune for them here. It got them back on Hot 100, albeit at #93, for the first time since DLBIA. It also went to #12 on the Alt. stations. That was their biggest hit since DGA. DOYS also got them at top 5 album charting, their first since BHN. That came out when I was in high school, and it exposed a few people to Oasis. A lot of my friends who had never heard of Oasis before then, or had derided them if they did know, started looking more into them. S Yeah, for sure, TSOTL was a good sized moderate hit for them late in their career. Especially after Oasis had played MSG on the previous tour, the momentum was back. Oh and Lyla had a bit of airplay back in 2005 too. I had totally forgotten about both of those. Unfortunately, they hardly seemed to be never be played again after the first few months compared to other songs from that era.
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Post by blurareshit on Aug 15, 2017 14:15:13 GMT -5
Wonderwall still gets play daily around here. Occasionally they throw in Champagne Supernova as well. ----- You're spot on with the above comment though. Wonderwall quite literally gets played nearly everyday on WKQX. That's the biggest ALT. station in Illinois (possibly in the midwest). Wonderwall also gets played a lot on XRT, which is the largest Adult Alternative station here. Campaign Supernova gets airplay a lot. Sometimes they play Live Forever and Don't Look Back in Anger. Oasis, Liam, and Noel have a lot of name recognition here. Unfortunately, that recognition is for all the wrong reasons. I mean, whenever Liam and Noel say anything controversial it literally all over the internet here. And that's when it'll get shared a millions times to me by my friends. I was in a pizza place the other day that had the local alternative station on the speakers (last one left in the area, and it's pretty shit now anyway ). I heard Champagne Supernova come on, but it was a obviously edited version that cut out the first 30 seconds before Liam starts singing, the 15 second guitar bit between verses, and faded out right when the guitar solo started and cut off the last 3 minutes of the song. It was kind of shitty. Plus the DJ said "I wonder what happened to these guys" when the song ended too.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 15, 2017 14:16:13 GMT -5
Yeah, back in '96 Wonderwall was their biggest hit, with Champagne Supernova a close second (in fact, CS actually got more radio airplay that year according to Billboard). Live Forever got played a tiny bit on Top 40 stations and lots of MTV rotation. Same with Don't Look Back in Anger. DYKWIM didn't really get much Top 40 play, but was on MTV a lot. DGA did get a little Top 40 play as well as various other formats, but wasn't really played on MTV as much. Roll With It also got a little MTV rotation during the coverage of the Blur/Oasis singles battle, but no real airplay on any stations here (even alternative ones). As far as alternative/rock stations go, all the above songs were pretty big on there, as were Morning Glory and Supersonic to a slightly lesser extent. AATW got a decent amount of alternative play and Acquiesce a little bit as well. The last real impact I remember them making on alternative radio was Go Let it Out, but even that was short lived.TSOTL was actually a nice little tune for them here. It got them back on Hot 100, albeit at #93, for the first time since DLBIA. It also went to #12 on the Alt. stations. That was their biggest hit since DGA. DOYS also got them at top 5 album charting, their first since BHN. That came out when I was in high school, and it exposed a few people to Oasis. A lot of my friends who had never heard of Oasis before then, or had derided them if they did know, started looking more into them. They were on the comeback trail toward the end, imo. Even with all the bullshit. TSOTL did have a nice little run. Never saw the video on TV (who plays videos anymore, even in 2008?). I heard TSOTL a ton (for Oasis) on all 3 of NYC's biggest radio stations for rock. Only 1 remains. It was nice to hear a rocking tune on the radio again from the boys. I do remember in early 2000 radio stations tried to play and promote Go Let It Out but it stuck out like a sore thumb with that musical climate at the time. Plus Liam sounds smokey and gruff. Not the voice Americans last heard during BHN.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 14:33:05 GMT -5
Wonderwall quite literally gets played nearly everyday on WKQX. That's the biggest ALT. station in Illinois (possibly in the midwest). Wonderwall also gets played a lot on XRT, which is the largest Adult Alternative station here. Campaign Supernova gets airplay a lot. Sometimes they play Live Forever and Don't Look Back in Anger. Oasis, Liam, and Noel have a lot of name recognition here. Unfortunately, that recognition is for all the wrong reasons. I mean, whenever Liam and Noel say anything controversial it literally all over the internet here. And that's when it'll get shared a millions times to me by my friends. I was in a pizza place the other day that had the local alternative station on the speakers (last one left in the area, and it's pretty shit now anyway ). I heard Champagne Supernova come on, but it was a obviously edited version that cut out the first 30 seconds before Liam starts singing, the 15 second guitar bit between verses, and faded out right when the guitar solo started and cut off the last 3 minutes of the song. It was kind of shitty. Plus the DJ said "I wonder what happened to these guys" when the song ended too. I heard this crap radio edit a number of weeks ago... think I wrote a long post in the "Oasis thoughts" thread.
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Post by Rolo on Aug 15, 2017 14:37:25 GMT -5
Fantastic vocal on For What It's Worth, really nailed it. Best Wall Of Glass vocal we have for me so far as well.
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Post by blurareshit on Aug 15, 2017 14:40:18 GMT -5
TSOTL was actually a nice little tune for them here. It got them back on Hot 100, albeit at #93, for the first time since DLBIA. It also went to #12 on the Alt. stations. That was their biggest hit since DGA. DOYS also got them at top 5 album charting, their first since BHN. That came out when I was in high school, and it exposed a few people to Oasis. A lot of my friends who had never heard of Oasis before then, or had derided them if they did know, started looking more into them. They were on the comeback trail toward the end, imo. Even with all the bullshit. TSOTL did have a nice little run. Never saw the video on TV (who plays videos anymore, even in 2008?). I heard TSOTL a ton (for Oasis) on all 3 of NYC's biggest radio stations for rock. Only 1 remains. It was nice to hear a rocking tune on the radio again from the boys. I do remember in early 2000 radio stations tried to play and promote Go Let It Out but it stuck out like a sore thumb with that musical climate at the time. Plus Liam sounds smokey and gruff. Not the voice Americans last heard during BHN. Yeah, quite honestly, after 1996 the idea of alternative bands like Oasis, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, REM, Smashing Pumpkins, etc. to impact the mainstream in a big way became a lost cause after Clinton signed the new telecom act and all the radio stations in the country were bought up by the same conglomerate. And by 98 into the millennium, the tide had shifted in the wider consciousness to a much more heavy focus on Eurodance, gimmick singles, and boy bands especially as well as hip-hop and RnB. 1999 was the peak of the music industry's revenue. Like $14 billion and a lot of that was down to manufactured artists, payola to radio stations, clever promotion, etc. By that point "alternative" became even more bastardized and corporate to the point where the only real groups getting played on alternative stations and breaking through to MTV and Top 40 were these godawful whiney, angsty, emo major label-backed nu-metal and post-grunge bands: Creed, Nickelback, Matchbox 20, Korn, Godsnack, Papa Roach, Staind, Seether, Linkin Park (sorry), Incubus, etc. etc. There were even straight up pop acts like Natalie Imbruglia or even straight up hip-hop like Outkast being played on "alternative/modern rock" stations. The only high point of that time was the occasional new single by REM or The Chemical's "Let Forever Be" with Noel on vocals getting brief airplay. But yeah Oasis at that point did not fit in at all with the direction "alternative" rock had gone in the US. Plus, not only was Liam's voice much raspier than the BHN era, but for a lot of Americans, BHN-era Liam was too far more raspy and nasally than the mid-95 Liam they had grown used to hearing on the radio.
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Post by Spaceman on Aug 15, 2017 14:42:58 GMT -5
Half of Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory have pitched up vocals if we're being real here... It's good to see that he really went hard for the live performance but given that this was right before Chicago, it's clear how much going all out had an impact on his vocals. Who knows what the issues were in Chicago. Could be voice. Could be personal. Could be something else. Could be better. Could be worse. Could be a horse jockey in France.
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Post by squarewave on Aug 15, 2017 14:51:42 GMT -5
Liam sounded good on Colbert. The band sounded better,too, perhaps the extra post production time enabled this, as the mix, particularly on Wall of Glass sounded better than any other versions i've heard. they should have played wall of glass on the broadcast, it sounded better and is less generic. regardless, liam sounded much better than he has for a very long time. its great to hear.
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Post by blurareshit on Aug 15, 2017 14:55:46 GMT -5
I was in a pizza place the other day that had the local alternative station on the speakers (last one left in the area, and it's pretty shit now anyway ). I heard Champagne Supernova come on, but it was a obviously edited version that cut out the first 30 seconds before Liam starts singing, the 15 second guitar bit between verses, and faded out right when the guitar solo started and cut off the last 3 minutes of the song. It was kind of shitty. Plus the DJ said "I wonder what happened to these guys" when the song ended too. I heard this crap radio edit a number of weeks ago... think I wrote a long post in the "Oasis thoughts" thread. Ugh it's so shit. And if you heard it too, it's probably something done by the bigwigs at Clearchannel HQ (which owns nearly every US radio station that's not NPR or college radio at this point) so it's a nationwide memorandum to only play this butchered version so they can run more ads. I know that back in the day there was a radio edit that Sony put out on promo CDs sent to different radio formats (alternative, mainstream rock, Mainstream Top 40, Adult Top 40) that simply faded out around the 5 minute mark during the "na na" section simply because 7:35 was too long. Though some DJs still played the full version just because. They also did this with the Stone Roses' Love Spreads that cut out the first minute of Squire guitar noodling. There was a similar thing with the 6:06 radio edit of DYKWIM and 4:51 radio and 7:00 video edit of AATW done as well. Of course the new CS edit just sounded sloppy and was totally unnecessary.
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