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Post by dwally89 on Aug 15, 2017 7:19:47 GMT -5
Why is it that he sounds so much better in these clips, in particular For What It's Worth than he has done in the live gigs? Is it possible these performances were autotuned/produced? You can't compare live performances of For What It's Worth (and Wall of Glass to a lesser extent) to these TV performances
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 7:40:35 GMT -5
Why is it that he sounds so much better in these clips, in particular For What It's Worth than he has done in the live gigs? Is it possible these performances were autotuned/produced? You can't compare live performances of For What It's Worth (and Wall of Glass to a lesser extent) to these TV performances The short answer is that TV performances are very controlled environments. Better sound, better monitors, smaller space, better gear, etc. ----- It's clear Liam took this performance of For What It's Worth very seriously. Completely changed his vocal style to accommodate the song. You can see him consciencely staying in the zone. Not trying to bite the song like he so often does live. The song really needs a solid swell of strings going into and throughout the last chorus. To everyone doubting if its a live vocal... it is clearly a live vocal. But they could have doctored it a bit in post-production seeing as they had a couple of weeks before airing it. Wall of Glass felt plodding to me. It drags terrible live. They need to speed that mother up. Overall not a terrible performance, but I actually preferred For What It's Worth here.
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Post by dennizz on Aug 15, 2017 7:55:38 GMT -5
i'm sick to death of this over analyzing Liam's vocals for every performance. Did he sing live, was he helped by autotuning...FUCK OFF. Great song, great performance, he did himself a favour in front of an huge TV audience
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Post by spaneli on Aug 15, 2017 7:56:58 GMT -5
For everyone asking about Liam's vocals, I'd also chime in that this was done about 2 weeks ago. His voice it seemed was much stronger. Which probably is a snapshot of how much of a beating Liam's has taken the last couple of weeks that the difference is easily noticeable.
Still, Liam sounds really really good. Hopefully, his performance makes some kind of impact. Colbert has a very big audience, especially within Liam's demographics (early 30's-mid 40's).
But as others have said, that band just sounds bad. There's no two ways about it. They bring down even a good Liam vocal. They sound incredibly thin and the instrumentation of FWIW sounded like Liam was singing along to a recording being played off a stereo. And no one has any personality. Yea, I know this is Liam's vehicle and they're just session guys, but those fours guys put me sleep. They don't even look like they enjoy what they're playing, and to me, that's a big issue. That may be enough for Oasis fans who will flock to see Liam no matter what, but I have a feeling that it doesn't reel in the casual fans as much. I'm not expecting anyone to jump around, but you have to at least make it look like you enjoy it.
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Post by dennizz on Aug 15, 2017 8:00:12 GMT -5
For everyone asking about Liam's vocals, I'd also chime in that this was done about 2 weeks ago. His voice it seemed was much stronger. Which probably is a snapshot of how much of a beating Liam's has taken the last couple of weeks that the difference is easily noticeable. Still, Liam sounds really really good. Hopefully, his performance makes some kind of impact. Colbert has a very big audience, especially within Liam's demographics (early 30's-mid 40's). But as others have said, that band just sounds bad. There's no two ways about it. They bring down even a good Liam vocal. They sound incredibly thin and the instrumentation of FWIW sounded like Liam was singing along to a recording being played off a stereo. And no one has any personality. Yea, I know this is Liam's vehicle and they're just session guys, but those fours guys put me sleep. They don't even look like they enjoy what they're playing, and to me, that's a big issue. That may be enough for Oasis fans who will flock to see Liam no matter what, but I have a feeling that it doesn't reel in the casual fans as much. I'm not expecting anyone to jump around, but you have to at least make it look like you enjoy it. i'm so glad i was there to see Oasis in the early days, no internet for people to slag off the musical talent of the band. I don't think Oasis would have made it as big as they did with in todays world with camera phones and stuff
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Post by spaneli on Aug 15, 2017 8:03:13 GMT -5
For everyone asking about Liam's vocals, I'd also chime in that this was done about 2 weeks ago. His voice it seemed was much stronger. Which probably is a snapshot of how much of a beating Liam's has taken the last couple of weeks that the difference is easily noticeable. Still, Liam sounds really really good. Hopefully, his performance makes some kind of impact. Colbert has a very big audience, especially within Liam's demographics (early 30's-mid 40's). But as others have said, that band just sounds bad. There's no two ways about it. They bring down even a good Liam vocal. They sound incredibly thin and the instrumentation of FWIW sounded like Liam was singing along to a recording being played off a stereo. And no one has any personality. Yea, I know this is Liam's vehicle and they're just session guys, but those fours guys put me sleep. They don't even look like they enjoy what they're playing, and to me, that's a big issue. That may be enough for Oasis fans who will flock to see Liam no matter what, but I have a feeling that it doesn't reel in the casual fans as much. I'm not expecting anyone to jump around, but you have to at least make it look like you enjoy it. i'm so glad i was there to see Oasis in the early days, no internet for people to slag off the musical talent of the band. I don't think Oasis would have made it as big as they did with in todays world with camera phones and stuff Oasis were a massive wall of sound tbf, and they sounded tight. Plus, they had great charisma. There's a BIG difference. Say what you want, but this band isn't good with a camera phone or live. At least, they didn't impress me when I saw them. Even at the Lolla aftershow, they sounded thin, tinny, and hollow (and clearly played solos and guitar parts poorly). The problem aren't camera phones, it's the band.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 8:03:40 GMT -5
For everyone asking about Liam's vocals, I'd also chime in that this was done about 2 weeks ago. His voice it seemed was much stronger. Which probably is a snapshot of how much of a beating Liam's has taken the last couple of weeks that the difference is easily noticeable. Still, Liam sounds really really good. Hopefully, his performance makes some kind of impact. Colbert has a very big audience, especially within Liam's demographics (early 30's-mid 40's). But as others have said, that band just sounds bad. There's no two ways about it. They bring down even a good Liam vocal. They sound incredibly thin and the instrumentation of FWIW sounded like Liam was singing along to a recording being played off a stereo. And no one has any personality. Yea, I know this is Liam's vehicle and they're just session guys, but those fours guys put me sleep. They don't even look like they enjoy what they're playing, and to me, that's a big issue. That may be enough for Oasis fans who will flock to see Liam no matter what, but I have a feeling that it doesn't reel in the casual fans as much. I'm not expecting anyone to jump around, but you have to at least make it look like you enjoy it. i'm so glad i was there to see Oasis in the early days, no internet for people to slag off the musical talent of the band. I don't think Oasis would have made it as big as they did with in todays world with camera phones and stuff Umm.... they would have been bigger today. They were in the news constantly back then. Imagine all the great side hustle videos we'd have today? Oasis made great music sure, but their rise to fame had just as much to with their tabloid love as anything else. Even in America frankly.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 15, 2017 8:07:21 GMT -5
Liam sounds good on FWIW on Colbert. The band sounds extremely thin behind him. I actually think the Wall of Glass web only performance was better. They should have done that on the real show. Stronger tune.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 8:08:55 GMT -5
^What he said!
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Post by dazed on Aug 15, 2017 8:13:52 GMT -5
one thing that really irritates me is the notion that singing higher=better singer eg. ariana grande doing extended vocal runs to show off her notes, from MY point of view, liam belting out the words sounds far better than his falsetto, this bullshit way of judging vocals (probably stemming from the likes of Xfactor) is likely why FWIW was recorded so damn high, some pop music loving idiot producer probably told liam to "give it your best!", the chorus sounds awful compared to the live version, which actually sounds like a classic oasis power ballad.
might seem like a pointless thing to rant about but i fucking hate how liam did this just to pander to the plebs.
music doesnt have to be high pitched to sound good for fucks sake, ian curtis is one of my favourite vocalists and hes likened to homer simpson
ok rant over, ill be listening to this version of FWIW on repeat if anyone needs me
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Post by mad4it87 on Aug 15, 2017 8:32:57 GMT -5
Bloody hell this performance is brilliant! Was doubting whether Liam could pull this off but he certainly can judging by this and in its original key.
Don't Think the band do a bad job either, good performance all round!
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Post by The Chief on Aug 15, 2017 8:36:06 GMT -5
Fucking hell, he hit that nail right on the head right there! Amazing version!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 8:47:41 GMT -5
one thing that really irritates me is the notion that singing higher=better singer eg. ariana grande doing extended vocal runs to show off her notes, from MY point of view, liam belting out the words sounds far better than his falsetto, this bullshit way of judging vocals (probably stemming from the likes of Xfactor) is likely why FWIW was recorded so damn high, some pop music loving idiot producer probably told liam to "give it your best!", the chorus sounds awful compared to the live version, which actually sounds like a classic oasis power ballad. might seem like a pointless thing to rant about but i fucking hate how liam did this just to pander to the plebs. music doesnt have to be high pitched to sound good for fucks sake, ian curtis is one of my favourite vocalists and hes likened to homer simpson ok rant over, ill be listening to this version of FWIW on repeat if anyone needs me The original key of this song is fine. I don't find it to be unnatural at all. Liam's issues singing that high have more to do with his lack of care for his voice, then it does with the key of the song. Unless you have a Barry White or Frank Sinatra voice, then going higher is probably the way to go. Liam is never going to have this silky smooth voice.
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Post by dazed on Aug 15, 2017 9:01:09 GMT -5
one thing that really irritates me is the notion that singing higher=better singer eg. ariana grande doing extended vocal runs to show off her notes, from MY point of view, liam belting out the words sounds far better than his falsetto, this bullshit way of judging vocals (probably stemming from the likes of Xfactor) is likely why FWIW was recorded so damn high, some pop music loving idiot producer probably told liam to "give it your best!", the chorus sounds awful compared to the live version, which actually sounds like a classic oasis power ballad. might seem like a pointless thing to rant about but i fucking hate how liam did this just to pander to the plebs. music doesnt have to be high pitched to sound good for fucks sake, ian curtis is one of my favourite vocalists and hes likened to homer simpson ok rant over, ill be listening to this version of FWIW on repeat if anyone needs me The original key of this song is fine. I don't find it to be unnatural at all. Liam's issues singing that high have more to do with his lack of care for his voice, then it does with the key of the song. Unless you have a Barry White or Frank Sinatra voice, then going higher is probably the way to go. Liam is never going to have this silky smooth voice. but thats precisely my point! liam doesnt sing falsetto choruses, thats for chris martin or noel, he wouldnt have wanted it to be this way either, judging by what hes said in interviews about vocal styles, they obviously had this mindset that the higher the chorus is the better itll sound, thats not what you do with liams voice
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Post by knowhaimean on Aug 15, 2017 9:28:15 GMT -5
FWIW on Colbert is my favorite version, so far. I love live music and I almost always prefer a live version to a studio one. He sounds great, looks great and we're on to the next show. ✌️
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 9:51:07 GMT -5
i'm sick to death of this over analyzing Liam's vocals for every performance. Did he sing live, was he helped by autotuning...FUCK OFF. Great song, great performance, he did himself a favour in front of an huge TV audience I agree, it's very tiresome.
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Post by kmtgod on Aug 15, 2017 10:15:56 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 15, 2017 10:27:30 GMT -5
I know initially Colbert was struggling vs Fallon. There were even early whispers, however unlikely, that CBS would swap Corden in for Colbert. Now I see 2 years later that Colbert has kicked the crap out of Jimmy Fallon for almost all of 2017 thus far. Good for him. I've always found Jimmy Fallon to be annoying and a major kiss ass. I wonder why the sudden swing in ratings? Better skits and jokes? They basically get similar guests and music.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 15, 2017 10:31:17 GMT -5
I know initially Colbert was struggling vs Fallon. There were even early whispers, however unlikely, that CBS would swap Corden in for Colbert. Now I see 2 years later that Colbert has kicked the crap out of Jimmy Fallon for almost all of 2017 thus far. Good for him. I've always found Jimmy Fallon to be annoying and a major kiss ass. I wonder why the sudden swing in ratings? Better skits and jokes? They basically get similar guests and music. It was because Fallon was being a total kiss ass to Trump. During the campaign, Trump came on and Fallon gave him softball questions and tossled his hair. It outraged most his audience. Colbert saw his opening and went to a completely anti-Trump show, which really played well to what he does and is known for best, political humor. As Trump has gotten more unpopular, Colbert has been more popular. It's essentially been a perfect storm for him (which sometimes you need a little "luck") Fallon hasn't completely recovered, though he's tried to be more anti-Trump as a way of catching up Colbert.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 15, 2017 10:39:16 GMT -5
I know initially Colbert was struggling vs Fallon. There were even early whispers, however unlikely, that CBS would swap Corden in for Colbert. Now I see 2 years later that Colbert has kicked the crap out of Jimmy Fallon for almost all of 2017 thus far. Good for him. I've always found Jimmy Fallon to be annoying and a major kiss ass. I wonder why the sudden swing in ratings? Better skits and jokes? They basically get similar guests and music. It was because Fallon was being a total kiss ass to Trump. During the campaign, Trump came on and Fallon gave him softball questions and tossled his hair. It outraged most his audience. Colbert saw his opening and went to a completely anti-Trump show, which really played well to what he does and is known for best, political humor. As Trump has gotten more unpopular, Colbert has been more popular. It's essentially been a perfect storm for him (which sometimes you need a little "luck") Fallon hasn't completely recovered, though he's tried to be more anti-Trump as a way of catching up Colbert. Figures. Fallon has been this way since his days on SNL in the late 90s. This guy wants to be loved by all and panders to it too much. I remember when it meant something to be the host of the tonight show. Carson was always the coolest guy on set. Nowadays Fallon does whatever he can to pucker guests asses. It's tiring.
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Post by bardes on Aug 15, 2017 11:01:06 GMT -5
It was such a great performance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 11:03:27 GMT -5
I know initially Colbert was struggling vs Fallon. There were even early whispers, however unlikely, that CBS would swap Corden in for Colbert. Now I see 2 years later that Colbert has kicked the crap out of Jimmy Fallon for almost all of 2017 thus far. Good for him. I've always found Jimmy Fallon to be annoying and a major kiss ass. I wonder why the sudden swing in ratings? Better skits and jokes? They basically get similar guests and music. James Corden? Literally the least funny person this country has ever produced in showbiz or otherwise. If he's popular in America you might as well all just give up now. Nothing more off putting to me than a really try-hard comic who takes himself too seriously.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Aug 15, 2017 11:04:37 GMT -5
To all you yanks on here - i know Oasis always get accused of never breaking the USA and its true they never did what they should have, but whenever anyone mentions Liam and Noel individually or Oasis it is always said as if everyone will know who they are.
I know you are supposed to big up the act you are introducing but he says it as though the whole viewing audience knows Oasis.
I remember watching Letterman on holiday and was shocked to hear Stephen King talking about the Gallaghers just like it was a UK talk show. Ive seen a few other examples of this too.
So is it the case that they are actually very much well remembered or is it still just a case of who? Wonderwall? Oh yeah?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 15, 2017 11:12:29 GMT -5
To all you yanks on here - i know Oasis always get accused of never breaking the USA and its true they never did what they should have, but whenever anyone mentions Liam and Noel individually or Oasis it is always said as if everyone will know who they are. I know you are supposed to big up the act you are introducing but he says it as though the whole viewing audience knows Oasis. I remember watching Letterman on holiday and was shocked to hear Stephen King talking about the Gallaghers just like it was a UK talk show. Ive seen a few other examples of this too. So is it the case that they are actually very much well remembered or is it still just a case of who? Wonderwall? Oh yeah? Wonderwall was a massive hit single. Absolutely massive and it was played everywhere to death. The USA media really played up the second coming of The Beatles angle and of course made tons of headlines for fighting. These days they are mostly remembered for Wonderwall and antics. Plus every kid learning to play a guitar learns Wonderwall eventually. When I was in college 2000-2004, there was always someone playing Wonderwall on acoustic guitar.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Aug 15, 2017 11:15:23 GMT -5
To all you yanks on here - i know Oasis always get accused of never breaking the USA and its true they never did what they should have, but whenever anyone mentions Liam and Noel individually or Oasis it is always said as if everyone will know who they are. I know you are supposed to big up the act you are introducing but he says it as though the whole viewing audience knows Oasis. I remember watching Letterman on holiday and was shocked to hear Stephen King talking about the Gallaghers just like it was a UK talk show. Ive seen a few other examples of this too. So is it the case that they are actually very much well remembered or is it still just a case of who? Wonderwall? Oh yeah? Wonderwall was a massive hit single. Absolutely massive and it was played everywhere to death. The USA media really played up the second coming of The Beatles angle and of course made tons of headlines for fighting. These days they are mostly remembered for Wonderwall and antics. Plus every kid learning to play a guitar learns Wonderwall eventually. When I was in college 2000-2004, there was always someone playing Wonderwall on acoustic guitar. I cant help but wish someone actually managed the manage the band then. Would have been the easiest thing in the world to do if the whole relationship between Liam and Noel was just an act like some still think.
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