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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 17:47:31 GMT -5
Bless you matt for referencing one of the most criminally overlooked 1960's albums by Ray Davies  Probably even the best Kinks album... I see the similarities between Parklife and The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society, as they have that 100% british vibe. However, even if I like Parlife, Village Green is on another level. |
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 25, 2016 17:52:58 GMT -5
Hard to gauge some opinions but whatever... - The brickwalling sucked even when Oasis was at their best. - Hiring Zak Starkey was a good move. - Dave Sardy is picked on unfairly. - The album cover of SOTSOG is lame. - Oasis only had two decent LP covers. Definitely Maybe's and Dig Out Your Soul's. - PYMWYMI, ICSAL, Ain't Got Nothing and The Nature of Reality are all far from Oasis's worst songs and the amount talk time they get on these forums is tiresome. - The Liam vs. Noel stuff is fine. - Nirvana were better than Oasis and Kurt Cobain was a better songwriter and more interesting guitarist than Noel and a better singer than Liam. That said I'd currently listen to Definitely Maybe over any Nirvana album. - Britpop wasn't great. - DBTT's success was largely built on Heathen Chemistry. - Most Oasis songs are about fuck all and to draw any overarching meaning from them requires some imagination. Take what you want from them but personally I'd feel like I'd be kidding myself. Be Here Now is my favourite of their album covers...do you not like it? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 17:56:34 GMT -5
Hard to gauge some opinions but whatever... - The brickwalling sucked even when Oasis was at their best. - Hiring Zak Starkey was a good move. - Dave Sardy is picked on unfairly. - The album cover of SOTSOG is lame. - Oasis only had two decent LP covers. Definitely Maybe's and Dig Out Your Soul's. - PYMWYMI, ICSAL, Ain't Got Nothing and The Nature of Reality are all far from Oasis's worst songs and the amount talk time they get on these forums is tiresome. - The Liam vs. Noel stuff is fine. - Nirvana were better than Oasis and Kurt Cobain was a better songwriter and more interesting guitarist than Noel and a better singer than Liam. That said I'd currently listen to Definitely Maybe over any Nirvana album. - Britpop wasn't great. - DBTT's success was largely built on Heathen Chemistry. - Most Oasis songs are about fuck all and to draw any overarching meaning from them requires some imagination. Take what you want from them but personally I'd feel like I'd be kidding myself. What are the worst Oasis songs in your opinion? I agree with a lot what you said. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 17:59:30 GMT -5
If you released Go Let It Out, Gas Panic!, Where Did It All Go Wrong?, The Hindu Times, Little By Little, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Songbird, Lyla, The Importance Of Being Idle, Part Of The Queue, The Shock Of The Lightning, Bag It Up, The Turning, I'm Outta Time and Falling Down between 2000-2009 are you a great band imo. Who Feels Love and She Is Love too. But yeah like Lennon2217 said, half of the stuff is quite shite. If those were all EPs, they would be fucking amazing. Glass is half full or half empty. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 25, 2016 18:09:37 GMT -5
Who Feels Love and She Is Love too. But yeah like Lennon2217 said, half of the stuff is quite shite. If those were all EPs, they would be fucking amazing. Glass is half full or half empty. To be great, it's gotta be a lot more than 50/50. A lot more. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 25, 2016 18:19:15 GMT -5
Oasis songs do have meaning - both inherently as well as individual interpretations.
Oasis have good lyrics.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 25, 2016 18:34:29 GMT -5
I try to convince myself that Liam sounded good after like 2000 because he's my boy but it just doesn't sound as good as it used to if I could go back in time to any time it would be 1995 to go see them live. I say it all the time. I'm jealous other singers from the same era still have fantastic voices and Liam's declined. I know some people try to defend Liam but let's be honest 2002-2009 Liam was not the same as 1994-2000 Liam. Sounded ok in studio but over time on the road, he could be hit or miss. I admire how these voices stayed intact: Eddie Vedder Bono Michael Stipe Damon Albarn Thom Yorke Jeff Tweedy |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Aug 25, 2016 19:00:33 GMT -5
How anyone can say Cobain was a better songwriter than Noel, when Noel wrote four album's worth of great material, and has continued to write a couple of belters every couple of years, for each album cycle, is beyond me.
Alright, you might prefer Cobain's style of writing to Noel's, but with only three albums to go off - of which all three suffered for their dud tracks, in my opinion - to argue for him being more gifted in his craft than Noel, when it's impossible to know whether his talent wouldn't have just eroded with time and increasing drug use, as it has for so many (including Noel), will never fly with me.
A little like the Stone Roses fans who spent years (until the band came back and disgraced themselves with their comeback single, All For One) putting Oasis down and claiming the Roses' right to be called 'Manchester's best', there just isn't the strength in depth there, in Nirvana's back catalogue, to argue for them being a better band than Oasis. Not in my book, anyway.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 25, 2016 19:23:42 GMT -5
How anyone can say Cobain was a better songwriter than Noel, when Noel wrote four album's worth of great material, and has continued to write a couple of belters every couple of years, for each album cycle, is beyond me. Alright, you might prefer Cobain's style of writing to Noel's, but with only three albums to go off - of which all three suffered for their dud tracks, in my opinion - to argue for him being more gifted in his craft than Noel, when it's impossible to know whether his talent wouldn't have just eroded with time and increasing drug use, as it has for so many (including Noel), will never fly with me. A little like the Stone Roses fans who spent years (until the band came back and disgraced themselves with their comeback single, All For One) putting Oasis down and claiming the Roses' right to be called 'Manchester's best', there just isn't the strength in depth there, in Nirvana's back catalogue, to argue for them being a better band than Oasis. Not in my book, anyway. Whoa whoa whoa........Cobain was a big big deal. I was a Nirvana fan long before I discovered Oasis in late 1994. His impact on pop culture and music across the globe was immense and continues to be like that today. Cobain wrote two amazing albums and b-sides but it all ended when he was 27. Noel's career didn't even begin until he was 26-27. Not fair to compare. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 25, 2016 19:35:30 GMT -5
Love Is Noise tries too hard to be Bittersweet Symphony.
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 25, 2016 19:35:44 GMT -5
Fade In/Out is one of the best songs Oasis did.
Get on the rollercoaster.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Aug 25, 2016 19:37:54 GMT -5
Love Is Noise tries too hard to be Bittersweet Symphony. Correction: nearly every song written by Richard Ashcroft post-2000 tries too hard to be Bittersweet Symphony. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 25, 2016 19:38:03 GMT -5
Pulp > Blur
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 25, 2016 19:45:34 GMT -5
Fade In/Out is one of the best songs Oasis did. Get on the rollercoaster. My fav song on BHN. |
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Post by matt on Aug 25, 2016 19:46:01 GMT -5
Viva La Vida >>>>>>>>>> Forth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dig Out Your Soul
(Shame about Falling Down being amongst all that).
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Post by glider on Aug 25, 2016 19:57:10 GMT -5
Viva La Vida >>>>>>>>>> Forth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dig Out Your Soul (Shame about Falling Down being amongst all that). Ehhh.. I still prefer Forth. Coldplay can't touch the genius of the Verve, ever, not even at their best. |
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Post by glider on Aug 25, 2016 20:02:01 GMT -5
I try to convince myself that Liam sounded good after like 2000 because he's my boy but it just doesn't sound as good as it used to if I could go back in time to any time it would be 1995 to go see them live. I say it all the time. I'm jealous other singers from the same era still have fantastic voices and Liam's declined. I know some people try to defend Liam but let's be honest 2002-2009 Liam was not the same as 1994-2000 Liam. Sounded ok in studio but over time on the road, he could be hit or miss. I admire how these voices stayed intact: Eddie Vedder Bono Michael Stipe Damon Albarn Thom Yorke Jeff Tweedy Bono's vocal delivery on The Joshua Tree compared to Achtung Baby is very prevalent. The guy almost tore his vocal chords out during the TJT tour, like Liam during BHN's tour. He adapted to lower octave lyrical performances very quickly after that unlike Liam who still belted the greatest hits for another decade and just kept annihalating his chords. |
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Post by matt on Aug 25, 2016 20:21:33 GMT -5
Viva La Vida >>>>>>>>>> Forth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dig Out Your Soul (Shame about Falling Down being amongst all that). Ehhh.. I still prefer Forth. Coldplay can't touch the genius of the Verve, ever, not even at their best. Nah, the body of work Coldplay made with Viva La Vida was sensational - so much additional material, and very eclectic too - yet still very consistent and coherent at the same time. Forth is good - not the Verve at their best - but Viva La Vida was Coldplay at their best, and for me it beats Forth hands down. They were imaginative musically and lyrically - like Noel, Martin isn't a poet but here he was at his evocative best, conjuring up great imagery on the album. Let's remember too, this was all coming from a mainstream chart topping pop band - very difficult to pull off, offering proof to their latter selves that they didn't need to resort to generic claptrap to stay in the charts. |
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Post by glider on Aug 25, 2016 20:29:13 GMT -5
Ehhh.. I still prefer Forth. Coldplay can't touch the genius of the Verve, ever, not even at their best. Nah, the body of work Coldplay made with Viva La Vida was sensational - so much additional material, and very eclectic too - yet still very consistent and coherent at the same time. Forth is good - not the Verve at their best - but Viva La Vida was Coldplay at their best, and for me it beats Forth hands down. They were imaginative musically and lyrically - like Noel, Martin isn't a poet but here he was at his evocative best, conjuring up great imagery on the album. Let's remember too, this was all coming from a mainstream chart topping pop band - very difficult to pull off, offering proof to their latter selves that they didn't need to resort to generic claptrap to stay in the charts. Well, too bad they lost their balls!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 20:32:47 GMT -5
Viva La Vida >>>>>>>>>> Forth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dig Out Your Soul (Shame about Falling Down being amongst all that). Even me that is very often dismissive of 2000's Oasis, wouldn't go that far. I'll never understand what's so good about Viva La Vida (I hate the self titled song) but then again, I never liked Coldplay at all so I'm probably biased... However, I love The Verve but Forth doesn't do anything for me. It's pretty even with DOYS, both are average albums, imo. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 25, 2016 20:43:57 GMT -5
For example, Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory fall into the "Great" classification. Both created in 1994 and 1995. A long fucking time ago. Then take Radiohead, they had two great records in the 90s, The Bends in 1995 and Ok Computer in 1997. They then went on to make TWO more great albums post 2000 in Kid A (2000) and In Rainbows (2007). We could even argue A Moon Shaped Pool (2016) falls into this class.  Amnesiac comes damm close too - this would be in the same class as those others IMO: 1. Packt Like Sardines in a Crushed Tin Box 2. Pyramid Song 3. Pulk/Pull Revolving Doors 4. You & Who's Army? 5. I Might Be Wrong 6. Knives Out 7. Fog 8. The Amazing Sounds of Orgy 9. Dollars & Cents 10. Hunting Bears 11. Like Spinning Plates 12. Life in a Glasshouse As for Oasis, I can't really see how anyone can argue they were a great band after 2000. We all love the brothers Gallagher but come on - arguably their best album in that period was 30% made of Put Yer Money Where Your Mouth Is, Little James, and I Can See a Liar - featuring hit singles such as Sunday Morning Call and Who Feels Love?. At their worst, they were releasing She is Love as a single and combining classics such as Better Man, (Probably) All in the Mind, Hung in a Bad Place, A Quick Peep and Born on a Different Cloud for an album that presumably offended God with more than it's heathen title. Ok, they released a lot of great songs in that time, but to be a great band you have to be able to bring it all together for a cohesive and consistent album IMO, and - although they came agonisingly close on SOTSOG and DOYS - Oasis never managed that after 2000 for me. Two of my favorite songs from this period (Cuttooth and Fog) didn't even make the album! Astounding. |
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Post by matt on Aug 25, 2016 20:48:10 GMT -5
Viva La Vida >>>>>>>>>> Forth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dig Out Your Soul (Shame about Falling Down being amongst all that). Even me that is very often dismissive of 2000's Oasis, wouldn't go that far. I'll never understand what's so good about Viva La Vida (I hate the self titled song) but then again, I never liked Coldplay at all so I'm probably biased... However, I love The Verve but Forth doesn't do anything for me. It's pretty even with DOYS, both are average albums, imo. Of course, you don't have to like the song, but if someone said to me back in 2008 (when the charts was full of shite even back then) that a baroque anthem about a deposed king's thoughts on revolutionary upheaval would be the smash hit of that year, then I'd say to them they were nuts. Very rarely do smash hit pop stars think that inventively. Overplayed perhaps, but only because its a damn fine tune. |
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Post by braddersthemod on Aug 26, 2016 0:51:49 GMT -5
I try to convince myself that Liam sounded good after like 2000 because he's my boy but it just doesn't sound as good as it used to if I could go back in time to any time it would be 1995 to go see them live. I say it all the time. I'm jealous other singers from the same era still have fantastic voices and Liam's declined. I know some people try to defend Liam but let's be honest 2002-2009 Liam was not the same as 1994-2000 Liam. Sounded ok in studio but over time on the road, he could be hit or miss. I admire how these voices stayed intact: Eddie Vedder Bono Michael Stipe Damon Albarn Thom Yorke Jeff Tweedy Micheal Stipe's voice definatly wasnt as good as it was around the late 80s/early 90s on the last couple of REM albums, and Thom Yorke dosnt sound too good live either these days. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 26, 2016 1:04:22 GMT -5
I try to convince myself that Liam sounded good after like 2000 because he's my boy but it just doesn't sound as good as it used to if I could go back in time to any time it would be 1995 to go see them live. I say it all the time. I'm jealous other singers from the same era still have fantastic voices and Liam's declined. I know some people try to defend Liam but let's be honest 2002-2009 Liam was not the same as 1994-2000 Liam. Sounded ok in studio but over time on the road, he could be hit or miss. I admire how these voices stayed intact:
Eddie Vedder
Bono
Michael Stipe
Damon Albarn
Thom Yorke
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 26, 2016 3:11:45 GMT -5
Viva La Vida is amazing. The whole album. Best Coldplay album to me.
Shame they couldn't keep it up.
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