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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 2, 2021 19:21:36 GMT -5
AYW just has Liams identity on it. Songs like All I Need and Greedy Soul are so relevant if you've followed his narrative. As good as WMWN is, it lacks that so much. I was quite worried to hear interviews with his label where they just spoke about how much better the songs were on his 2nd album. I think they're overlooking quite an important point. Its okay just to point towards album sales and say its formulating results. I think too many more records recorded in the lazy way WMWN was will see the wheels fall off pretty quick. Don’t see how you are justifying that the wheels are about to fall off. He just had his highest charting single with pretty much the same team. You might not enjoy the direction personally, but it’s clearly got a sustained audience awaiting the next thing. What else do you need to keep the wheels going round and round? Obviously, Liam is going on 50, is mercurial anyway, and this isn’t forever but I never get all this doomsaying when he so obviously has a strongly devoted fandom for what he is doing that isn’t going anywhere at the moment. Not highest charting single, but other than that I agree It doesn't look like the fanbase has any intention of moving on
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jan 2, 2021 20:40:29 GMT -5
Don’t see how you are justifying that the wheels are about to fall off. He just had his highest charting single with pretty much the same team. You might not enjoy the direction personally, but it’s clearly got a sustained audience awaiting the next thing. What else do you need to keep the wheels going round and round? Obviously, Liam is going on 50, is mercurial anyway, and this isn’t forever but I never get all this doomsaying when he so obviously has a strongly devoted fandom for what he is doing that isn’t going anywhere at the moment. Not highest charting single, but other than that I agree It doesn't look like the fanbase has any intention of moving on Thanks, edited it. Should have said one of his highest charting singles.
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Post by theunderclass on Jan 2, 2021 21:57:43 GMT -5
Remember he had only the third number one live album of the 2000s in 2020 as well. If that's the wheels falling off then he must he on a hoverboard.
Some people just seem to wish things would stop going so well for Liam ...
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Post by garylineker on Jan 2, 2021 22:25:39 GMT -5
AYW just has Liams identity on it. Songs like All I Need and Greedy Soul are so relevant if you've followed his narrative. As good as WMWN is, it lacks that so much. I was quite worried to hear interviews with his label where they just spoke about how much better the songs were on his 2nd album. I think they're overlooking quite an important point. Its okay just to point towards album sales and say its formulating results. I think too many more records recorded in the lazy way WMWN was will see the wheels fall off pretty quick. Don’t see how you are justifying that the wheels are about to fall off. He just had one of his highest charting singles with pretty much the same team. You might not enjoy the direction personally, but it’s clearly got a sustained audience awaiting the next thing. What else do you need to keep the wheels going round and round? Obviously, Liam is going on 50, is mercurial anyway, and this isn’t forever but I never get all this doomsaying when he so obviously has a strongly devoted fandom for what he is doing that isn’t going anywhere at the moment. Youve taken what i said the wrong way. Long may this success continue. I just feel like the last records success was in spite of the fact he didn't use any of his own songs rather than because of it. I just feel like they got away with the tactic of riding the wave of the success of AYW and bringing out something quickly with all songs from other people. I just want him to put more effort in to all aspects next time because I want this to go on for some time yet.
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Post by garylineker on Jan 2, 2021 22:29:29 GMT -5
Just to clear up - I dont want the wheels to fall off, and people have quite rightly said the solo career is going from strength to strength.
I just feel like the approach of lets never change the formula or do anything different could get tiring and I don't want that to happen.
I hope he has more of his own songs on the next record and pushes himself more and more. Once and One Of us are mega but I think stuff like Shockwave is a bit insulting to us as a fanbase.
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Post by modxxii on Jan 3, 2021 1:35:54 GMT -5
I still consider WMWN the best Gallagher's record by far. Everytime I press play I HAVE TO listen the whole record... It flows so well. It's the same feeling I sense with Moon.
I like AYW but WMWN has a special place in my heart and I love every song.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 3, 2021 2:44:29 GMT -5
AYW just has Liams identity on it. Songs like All I Need and Greedy Soul are so relevant if you've followed his narrative. As good as WMWN is, it lacks that so much. I was quite worried to hear interviews with his label where they just spoke about how much better the songs were on his 2nd album. I think they're overlooking quite an important point. Its okay just to point towards album sales and say its formulating results. I think too many more records recorded in the lazy way WMWN was will see the wheels fall off pretty quick. Yeah, AYW is overall a Liam Gallagher record. YMYN is overall a Warner records record. In the end, people will lose interest in those disposable tunes, no matter how good they are, and the "best of gigs" can only last a few tours... This next album will be important. It needs more Liam in it.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jan 3, 2021 2:59:18 GMT -5
Just to clear up - I dont want the wheels to fall off, and people have quite rightly said the solo career is going from strength to strength. I just feel like the approach of lets never change the formula or do anything different could get tiring and I don't want that to happen. I hope he has more of his own songs on the next record and pushes himself more and more. Once and One Of us are mega but I think stuff like Shockwave is a bit insulting to us as a fanbase. Well, we all dream Liam will do more of the stuff we like best – but even in this little bit of AYW vs. WMWN debate above it’s pretty clear it’s different strokes for different folks (a lucky position to be in, truly.) And while it really matters a whole lot to a few people if he does his own songs (or songs he had a heavy hand in writing), it doesn’t mean much commercially at all (a big chunk of fans don’t care a whit and still others are quite happy to believe he did write all the songs on both albums!) Since he’s only had two albums so far it might be premature to worry about too much sameness, and I doubt his camp are (yet), since everything is going incredibly well by most measures. (And in the end what does Liam want? OK, Oasis. But barring that what he seems to want most is just to be out there singing songs he likes--be they his, his brother's or other-- for hyped-up crowds). In any event the world itself has changed now, and global touring at scale is still a ways off in the future so that is going to factor into every next album on earth. Will be interesting musical times ahead.
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Post by theunderclass on Jan 3, 2021 3:24:47 GMT -5
Love Shockwave tbh
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Post by andymorris on Jan 3, 2021 6:46:17 GMT -5
And while it really matters a whole lot to a few people if he does his own songs (or songs he had a heavy hand in writing), it doesn’t mean much commercially at all (a big chunk of fans don’t care a whit and still others are quite happy to believe he did write all the songs on both albums!) You are right they’re really counting on people being more and more dumb. Liam is now in the Robbie category so once the fashion is over, he’ll be sorry and will be dumped like many other artists by those kind of labels. Seems to be working for now, But the truth of today is not the one of tomorrow and there will come a day when people will want true artists again, not just pretend rock n roll.
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Post by Aman on Jan 3, 2021 8:07:24 GMT -5
Liam success is great obviously but he's at that age where success shouldn't be all that he cares about and he should just put out a solo album more him. If he does it's not like it'll be a big fall in success, he's got a solid fanbase built up since 2017.
If he released an album more him, more punk as he once said he wanted to do and it didn't reach No.1, who cares? He's smashed it as a solo artist and built up his solo groundwork, it won't suddenly become like the Beady Eye days again if he decided to deviate from the winning formula so far.
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Post by jeffrey on Jan 3, 2021 9:25:31 GMT -5
Once and One Of us are mega but I think stuff like Shockwave is a bit insulting to us as a fanbase. Say it’s insulting to you personally because I’ve been a fanatic for a long time and dig Shockwave a lot.
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Post by matt on Jan 3, 2021 12:20:19 GMT -5
AYW is still great indeed. It's the only album post-split I genuinely truly like from either. The other 6 albums I doubt I'll ever listen to again. Wow, fair enough. I prefer all their solo albums (note: not Beady Eye) to everything Oasis after the year 2000. I think I agree. Although there's the odd gem on Oasis albums post-2000, all solo efforts are more consistent, don't reach the depths of awfulness (no Bell Will Rings, no Nature of Realitys, etc). Definitely feels as if more effort and care is put into all of Liam and Noel's solo efforts instead of the half arsed attitude the band had in the 2000s. Noel always complains about the album as an artform suffering because kids don't buy them anymore, but his attitudes were as complicit in damaging the album due to the lack of effort Oasis put into them towards the end.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 3, 2021 13:01:46 GMT -5
Wow, fair enough. I prefer all their solo albums (note: not Beady Eye) to everything Oasis after the year 2000. I think I agree. Although there's the odd gem on Oasis albums post-2000, all solo efforts are more consistent, don't reach the depths of awfulness (no Bell Will Rings, no Nature of Realitys, etc). Definitely feels as if more effort and care is put into all of Liam and Noel's solo efforts instead of the half arsed attitude the band had in the 2000s. Noel always complains about the album as an artform suffering because kids don't buy them anymore, but his attitudes were as complicit in damaging the album due to the lack of effort Oasis put into them towards the end. I think latter Oasis suffered from being democratic just for the sake of it, that killed the flow of the albums If songs are written through jam sessions or musicians influence each other's compositions than I'm all for it, but if we're getting The Nature Of Reality, Ain't Got Nothing and A Bell Will Ring just because everyone's gotta have a writing credit then I'd rather go with Noel channeling his inner Hitler DBTT especially just sounds like a middle of the road Spotify playlist, there's nothing holding it together even if some of the songs are good or even great (TIOBI, TUTS, Part Of The Queue stand out) Then of course you also have the fact that it all sounded and looked like they were going through the motions, Noel got very complacent with his songwriting (which still resulted in mostly nice tunes because he's talented, but even in the 2000s you could hear the difference when he penned a truly good one) and Liam hit one of his lows as a singer, all while somehow managing to carve commercial success again, which led them to avoid challenging themselves Looking back, I think DOYS could've been a step in the right direction, Noel took a different approach to the writing and it seems like they had an idea of what they were trying to achieve sonically, but the lack of a strong hit single and that weak ass second half kinda ruined it, frictions between the brothers did the rest Overall, their solo records, even if not flawless, sound more lively and cohesive, probably less compromised as well
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 3, 2021 13:37:58 GMT -5
I actually like Don't Believe The Truth but songs like Lyla and one or two others I've never been really a big fan of. And, I too actually enjoy both of Liam's two solo albums to a lot of the stuff on Oasis's post 2000 albums.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jan 3, 2021 17:05:40 GMT -5
And while it really matters a whole lot to a few people if he does his own songs (or songs he had a heavy hand in writing), it doesn’t mean much commercially at all (a big chunk of fans don’t care a whit and still others are quite happy to believe he did write all the songs on both albums!) You are right they’re really counting on people being more and more dumb. Liam is now in the Robbie category so once the fashion is over, he’ll be sorry and will be dumped like many other artists by those kind of labels. Seems to be working for now, But the truth of today is not the one of tomorrow and there will come a day when people will want true artists again, not just pretend rock n roll. Liam is Liam not Robbie. Robbie wouldn't/couldn't have gone down the Thames on an inspired tear like that. There are more layers to Liam (some of which even you like, I dare say) and then there is all that history that he refuses to shake and all of that is woven into the character that has and will remain popular. I don't really see the trajectory of pop music changing much in the near term. Everything successful is pretend to some degree now because that is where the culture is at. Another cycle of risk and rebellion may come (though not necessarily through rock and roll), but the fun thing about those changes is that they usually come out of the blue. Whether change comes or not, it's true that Liam's ability to make "watered down Oasis" records has a time limit on it. Nobody escapes a life of excess with infinite youth. But he can go for quite some time that way. Or he can switch directions whenever he feels like it. And he might after a bit, just to screw with your head.
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Post by garylineker on Jan 3, 2021 22:24:34 GMT -5
Just to clear up - I dont want the wheels to fall off, and people have quite rightly said the solo career is going from strength to strength. I just feel like the approach of lets never change the formula or do anything different could get tiring and I don't want that to happen. I hope he has more of his own songs on the next record and pushes himself more and more. Once and One Of us are mega but I think stuff like Shockwave is a bit insulting to us as a fanbase. Well, we all dream Liam will do more of the stuff we like best – but even in this little bit of AYW vs. WMWN debate above it’s pretty clear it’s different strokes for different folks (a lucky position to be in, truly.) And while it really matters a whole lot to a few people if he does his own songs (or songs he had a heavy hand in writing), it doesn’t mean much commercially at all (a big chunk of fans don’t care a whit and still others are quite happy to believe he did write all the songs on both albums!) Since he’s only had two albums so far it might be premature to worry about too much sameness, and I doubt his camp are (yet), since everything is going incredibly well by most measures. (And in the end what does Liam want? OK, Oasis. But barring that what he seems to want most is just to be out there singing songs he likes--be they his, his brother's or other-- for hyped-up crowds). In any event the world itself has changed now, and global touring at scale is still a ways off in the future so that is going to factor into every next album on earth. Will be interesting musical times ahead. Completely agree that commercially it means nothing if he writes them himself of not. To the casual Liam/Oasis fan they see Liam as co writer and thats it, and if they enjoy the songs then perfect. I'm talking purely from a fans perspective. I can only compare my excitement for say, the first Beady Eye album vs WMWN and it wasn't as much. As a fan since around 2005 I've really enjoyed listening to his songs and I've always backed him to pull something special out the bag (just like I thought he could get his voice back to the level it is now). I accept that to have a successful Liam Gallagher then you have to give and take. For everyone Once theyll be a Now That I've Found You or things being done just to appeal to audience outside of us "hardcore" fans. I just dont want him to give up on the writing and lose sight of his talents in all of this. I think that'd be a shame.
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Post by garylineker on Jan 3, 2021 22:36:59 GMT -5
I think Dig Out Your Soul was more representive of the relationship of the band rather than not giving a fuck. The whole fiasco about Liam getting married so let's not put these tunes on (one of which was rumoured to be a single) and then put it out with weaker songs was just bullshit. The actual songs in the first half sound fucking great.
They all without doubt put more effort into what they did since to prove a point. They had that desire back. It made for much more publicity and double the output. Around 2012 you could have easily been forgiven for thinking it was a PR stunt and they'd be back soon after. (I know some think it started out like that but then became very real).
I kind of feel like Come On Outside being tossed on to one of the EPs last year was Noels final way of saying all that stuff is in the past now. Always secretly hoped he was saying songs like that for a comeback.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 4, 2021 2:17:17 GMT -5
Whether change comes or not, it's true that Liam's ability to make "watered down Oasis" records has a time limit on it. Nobody escapes a life of excess with infinite youth. But he can go for quite some time that way. Or he can switch directions whenever he feels like it. And he might after a bit, just to screw with your head. You know i dont really care that much though, i'm just having fun discussing, practising my english. I'm not into fantasy football, i'm into fantasy Oasis agree that Liam can be that Liam for another 20 years easy, he will still have his following. But will it be satisfying for him in 10 years ? singing the same old cigs and alcohol and rock n roll star... I dont miss Liam at all to be honest, i've had good times with him in Oasis but i'm fine not seeing him live ever again or listening to his records. the good ones are still here whenever i want that fine Liam. Pop liam rarely pops in my playlist. I do miss Noel though. We need more, now. Live, records, underwear, socks, whatever.
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Post by Rolo on Jan 4, 2021 2:52:33 GMT -5
I Get By is a fucking tune!
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jan 4, 2021 4:48:41 GMT -5
agree that Liam can be that Liam for another 20 years easy, he will still have his following. But will it be satisfying for him in 10 years ? singing the same old cigs and alcohol and rock n roll star...I do miss Noel though. We need more, now. Live, records, underwear, socks, whatever. Who can say? The Who and the Stones are in their 70s and still fill stadiums full of people (of all ages) thrilled to hear the oldies. Is it satisfying to them? Maybe not the way it once was, but then again, what a life. Still, other stuff will happen in Liam's world than the obvious. Just today he tweeted about being open to working with Dave Grohl (not suggesting that one will happen, but collaborations will likely come his way and where they might lead no one knows...) In the meanwhile, enjoy your Noel underwear.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 4, 2021 4:59:51 GMT -5
agree that Liam can be that Liam for another 20 years easy, he will still have his following. But will it be satisfying for him in 10 years ? singing the same old cigs and alcohol and rock n roll star...I do miss Noel though. We need more, now. Live, records, underwear, socks, whatever. Who can say? The Who and the Stones are in their 70s and still fill stadiums full of people (of all ages) thrilled to hear the oldies. Is it satisfying to them? Maybe not the way it once was, but then again, what a life. Still, other stuff will happen in Liam's world than the obvious. Just today he tweeted about being open to working with Dave Grohl (not suggesting that one will happen, but collaborations will likely come his way and where they might lead no one knows...) In the meanwhile, enjoy your Noel underwear. The stones and the who are doing it for the money, they are not enjoying it one bit. Jagger and Richard barely talk to each other and half of the who are dead They became a real parody and i certainly hope Liam wont follow that path, although it looks like it. Liam is enjoying being onstage for now, and if that faded away, i hope he stops. Or do something different.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jan 4, 2021 10:24:43 GMT -5
I think I agree. Although there's the odd gem on Oasis albums post-2000, all solo efforts are more consistent, don't reach the depths of awfulness (no Bell Will Rings, no Nature of Realitys, etc). Definitely feels as if more effort and care is put into all of Liam and Noel's solo efforts instead of the half arsed attitude the band had in the 2000s. Noel always complains about the album as an artform suffering because kids don't buy them anymore, but his attitudes were as complicit in damaging the album due to the lack of effort Oasis put into them towards the end. I think latter Oasis suffered from being democratic just for the sake of it, that killed the flow of the albums If songs are written through jam sessions or musicians influence each other's compositions than I'm all for it, but if we're getting The Nature Of Reality, Ain't Got Nothing and A Bell Will Ring just because everyone's gotta have a writing credit then I'd rather go with Noel channeling his inner Hitler DBTT especially just sounds like a middle of the road Spotify playlist, there's nothing holding it together even if some of the songs are good or even great (TIOBI, TUTS, Part Of The Queue stand out) Then of course you also have the fact that it all sounded and looked like they were going through the motions, Noel got very complacent with his songwriting (which still resulted in mostly nice tunes because he's talented, but even in the 2000s you could hear the difference when he penned a truly good one) and Liam hit one of his lows as a singer, all while somehow managing to carve commercial success again, which led them to avoid challenging themselves Looking back, I think DOYS could've been a step in the right direction, Noel took a different approach to the writing and it seems like they had an idea of what they were trying to achieve sonically, but the lack of a strong hit single and that weak ass second half kinda ruined it, frictions between the brothers did the rest Overall, their solo records, even if not flawless, sound more lively and cohesive, probably less compromised as well I don't think the evidence supports that, Noel had stopped shitting gold post Be Here Now. You don't put Force of Nature and She is Love on a record if you've got something better.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 4, 2021 10:35:11 GMT -5
I think latter Oasis suffered from being democratic just for the sake of it, that killed the flow of the albums If songs are written through jam sessions or musicians influence each other's compositions than I'm all for it, but if we're getting The Nature Of Reality, Ain't Got Nothing and A Bell Will Ring just because everyone's gotta have a writing credit then I'd rather go with Noel channeling his inner Hitler DBTT especially just sounds like a middle of the road Spotify playlist, there's nothing holding it together even if some of the songs are good or even great (TIOBI, TUTS, Part Of The Queue stand out) Then of course you also have the fact that it all sounded and looked like they were going through the motions, Noel got very complacent with his songwriting (which still resulted in mostly nice tunes because he's talented, but even in the 2000s you could hear the difference when he penned a truly good one) and Liam hit one of his lows as a singer, all while somehow managing to carve commercial success again, which led them to avoid challenging themselves Looking back, I think DOYS could've been a step in the right direction, Noel took a different approach to the writing and it seems like they had an idea of what they were trying to achieve sonically, but the lack of a strong hit single and that weak ass second half kinda ruined it, frictions between the brothers did the rest Overall, their solo records, even if not flawless, sound more lively and cohesive, probably less compromised as well I don't think the evidence supports that, Noel had stopped shitting gold post Be Here Now. You don't put Force of Nature and She is Love on a record if you've got something better. Heathen Chemistry's definitely his lowest point as a songwriter, but I'm not just talking about the quality of the songs, flow of the records suffered too, and it's not like the others were writing masterpieces you couldn't keep off a record I'm not blaming them for it, I clearly said Noel was very complacent with the the whole situation, but I'd rather him try to write 10 tunes instead of 5 with the occasional blunder here and there than getting half assed uninspired stuff from the others, he at least has a better ability of polishing turds My point is getting the others to write didn't bring much to the table, and I'm sure it could've (Andy's work with Ride speaks for itself, Liam as well when he puts his mind into it can write a fuckin good tune with the right help), they just didn't do it with the right focus and effort by properly collaborating and influencing each other and maybe co-writing as well, and I'm blaming mostly Noel for this as the leader of the band and the one that more than anyone else liked working on his own, that's what I mean with "for the sake of it" What we got in the end were three mostly average records with some highs and a higher than preferable number of duds which don't even sound like a coherent piece, they're split in halves
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 11:56:39 GMT -5
I think latter Oasis suffered from being democratic just for the sake of it, that killed the flow of the albums If songs are written through jam sessions or musicians influence each other's compositions than I'm all for it, but if we're getting The Nature Of Reality, Ain't Got Nothing and A Bell Will Ring just because everyone's gotta have a writing credit then I'd rather go with Noel channeling his inner Hitler DBTT especially just sounds like a middle of the road Spotify playlist, there's nothing holding it together even if some of the songs are good or even great (TIOBI, TUTS, Part Of The Queue stand out) Then of course you also have the fact that it all sounded and looked like they were going through the motions, Noel got very complacent with his songwriting (which still resulted in mostly nice tunes because he's talented, but even in the 2000s you could hear the difference when he penned a truly good one) and Liam hit one of his lows as a singer, all while somehow managing to carve commercial success again, which led them to avoid challenging themselves Looking back, I think DOYS could've been a step in the right direction, Noel took a different approach to the writing and it seems like they had an idea of what they were trying to achieve sonically, but the lack of a strong hit single and that weak ass second half kinda ruined it, frictions between the brothers did the rest Overall, their solo records, even if not flawless, sound more lively and cohesive, probably less compromised as well I don't think the evidence supports that, Noel had stopped shitting gold post Be Here Now. You don't put Force of Nature and She is Love on a record if you've got something better. Yet they are better than any LAG song outside Songbird from that era. I agree that putting LAG songs on the record for the sake of it was a mistake and I am usually right about stuff.
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