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Post by The Escapist on Jul 19, 2020 11:22:07 GMT -5
The CDUS (CD52) version was released only two weeks later, actually. I Am a Wicked Child was the replacement on one, with I Am Citizen Insane subbed in on the other. The point is just that Fog (Again) is usually referred to as the EP version because that's the only release that always features it. In fairness, if there had been any Amnesiac EP then the two would be almost identical in release, seeing as the US version of the Knives Out single doesn't feature the b-side version, either. Gotta get the European/CDUK2/Japanese version for that. Thank fuck for streaming is all I can say. Well I guess I should have traveled back in time to tell myself “don’t buy the UK import you found at Virigin Mega Store” a USA version will be out soon. It doesn’t work that way. I collected singles back in the day from my fav bands. So I got that one too since it featured one of my fav b-sides reworked. Being an American Im not even sure what the CD1 and CD2 nonsense means. Oasis never did that garbage. I don't know what you're on about lol, I'm just saying why the original is referred to as the b-side version and the live recording as the EP version. You're right that they were both b-sides at one time or another, but the precarious release of Fog (Again) on that single (most of them have I Am a Wicked Child instead) means that it's almost always thought of as an EP track, just cos it's always on there. Simples.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 19, 2020 12:18:23 GMT -5
Well I guess I should have traveled back in time to tell myself “don’t buy the UK import you found at Virigin Mega Store” a USA version will be out soon. It doesn’t work that way. I collected singles back in the day from my fav bands. So I got that one too since it featured one of my fav b-sides reworked. Being an American Im not even sure what the CD1 and CD2 nonsense means. Oasis never did that garbage. I don't know what you're on about lol, I'm just saying why the original is referred to as the b-side version and the live recording as the EP version. You're right that they were both b-sides at one time or another, but the precarious release of Fog (Again) on that single (most of them have I Am a Wicked Child instead) means that it's almost always thought of as an EP track, just cos it's always on there. Simples. Gotta be honest. I own both. The single and EP but since these songs came out in the digital age I played the majority of my music since then on MP3 and iPod. Once that happens don’t really care how you classify it.
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 19, 2020 12:51:12 GMT -5
I don't know what you're on about lol, I'm just saying why the original is referred to as the b-side version and the live recording as the EP version. You're right that they were both b-sides at one time or another, but the precarious release of Fog (Again) on that single (most of them have I Am a Wicked Child instead) means that it's almost always thought of as an EP track, just cos it's always on there. Simples. Gotta be honest. I own both. The single and EP but since these songs came out in the digital age I played the majority of my music since then on MP3 and iPod. Once that happens don’t really care how you classify it. Okay, just explaining why one is referred to as the b-side version and the other the EP version
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 19, 2020 12:57:32 GMT -5
Gotta be honest. I own both. The single and EP but since these songs came out in the digital age I played the majority of my music since then on MP3 and iPod. Once that happens don’t really care how you classify it. Okay, just explaining why one is referred to as the b-side version and the other the EP version I’ve never heard it called the EP version since it first came out as a live b-side. I don’t actually hear many people even reference the track let alone the com lag EP most of us were kinda hoping for more on it when it first dropped. Especially now, nobody cares how and when songs came out. They just find them on Apple Music or Spotify and press play.
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 19, 2020 13:13:51 GMT -5
Okay, just explaining why one is referred to as the b-side version and the other the EP version I’ve never heard it called the EP version since it first came out as a live b-side. I don’t actually hear many people even reference the track let alone the com lag EP most of us were kinda hoping for more on it when it first dropped. Especially now, nobody cares how and when songs came out. They just find them on Apple Music or Spotify and press play. It's just called that because you can always get it on the EP. Doesn't matter where you got it, always there. Obviously physical music isn't really meaningful like that anymore, but that's how the name came about.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 19, 2020 16:47:06 GMT -5
Anyone else familiar with Emitt Rhodes? He passed away.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 19, 2020 17:53:47 GMT -5
Anyone else familiar with Emitt Rhodes? He passed away. Yes his music is awesome.
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 20, 2020 5:04:13 GMT -5
Kanye apparently broke down crying in the middle of a bizarre "rally" the other day. It's so sad that someone with such obvious mental illnesses is allowed to go through these manic episodes as a public spectacle for people to tut and gawk at - does no-one near him realise that this isn't healthy? If not, it's only a matter of time before he hurts himself or someone else.
EDIT: Him breaking down crying ranting about how abortion is the devil's work because his dad wanted to abort him. I don't know how anyone watching that can feel anything but sadness. The whole thing, it being presented as a media spectacle, it's just sick. All the way through. Rotten.
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Post by funhouse on Jul 20, 2020 5:25:46 GMT -5
Kanye apparently broke down crying in the middle of a bizarre "rally" the other day. It's so sad that someone with such obvious mental illnesses is allowed to go through these manic episodes as a public spectacle for people to tut and gawk at - does no-one near him realise that this isn't healthy? If not, it's only a matter of time before he hurts himself or someone else. That was one of the most unsettling clips I've seen in a while. I don't know anything about their relationship, but do you think the Kardashians(and mostly Kim of course) genuinely give a shit?
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 20, 2020 5:34:12 GMT -5
Kanye apparently broke down crying in the middle of a bizarre "rally" the other day. It's so sad that someone with such obvious mental illnesses is allowed to go through these manic episodes as a public spectacle for people to tut and gawk at - does no-one near him realise that this isn't healthy? If not, it's only a matter of time before he hurts himself or someone else. That was one of the most unsettling clips I've seen in a while. I don't know anything about their relationship, but do you think the Kardashians(and mostly Kim of course) genuinely give a shit? I'm torn. One thing to keep in mind is that it's advised that those close to someone with bi-polar support their manic fantasies (I'm gonna be president! I'm gonna break the simulation! I'm the new Jesus!) so as not to alienate them. The idea being that when they inevitably hit the depressive episodes, you'll be closer to them and better able to help them. What happens with Kanye is that he only enters the public eye when he's on a manic period. What we don't get to see is the radio silence years between those bursts. We don't see his depressive phases. It's entirely possible, then, that Kim is helping him through those and choosing to let him indulge his manic fantasies to prevent any kind of suicidal outcome. Or, it's every bit as possible that he's at the centre of a massive media machine that only cares about publicity and will ride Kanye's illnesses until either the money dries out or the wheels come off. Which is probably the worst possible place for a bi-polar man to be. Every fantasy indulged, all the highs enabled, and then no-one to turn to when the lows hit. He can make another five bad Jesus albums for all I care, just want him to feel relatively calm and healthy again.
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 21, 2020 5:04:24 GMT -5
Looks like Kim is trying to get him psychiatric help. Glad to see.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 21, 2020 7:36:36 GMT -5
When I first started getting into music I was a big british indie fan, it went on for 3-4 years and then I started getting into other stuff and every time I could get into a new band I then got bored pretty quickly or kept liking them but not as much (Catfish And The Bottlemen and to a lesser extent Blossoms are a good examples of this) I'm now quite excited for Inhaler and I really like Genghar and that's about it, any recommendations as far as new bands go? Not punkish stuff like Fontaines D.C. or IDLES, I'm into that already, just pure british indie/rock n roll
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Post by funhouse on Jul 21, 2020 9:38:01 GMT -5
Looks like Kim is trying to get him psychiatric help. Glad to see. Doesn't seem too receptive though, I mean those deleted tweets... Do you think there's any truth to him actively deciding not to take his meds so his manic side can "roam freely", just to get extra publicity right before dropping an album? Not saying he's faking anything, but it's happened before right?
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 21, 2020 10:03:35 GMT -5
Looks like Kim is trying to get him psychiatric help. Glad to see. Do you think there's any truth to him actively deciding not to take his meds so his manic side can "roam freely", just to get extra publicity right before dropping an album? Not really. It's much more likely that he doesn't take his meds in general, and whenever he has a manic episode he wants to release things. We know from the amount of unreleased Kanye demos that he's making songs pretty much all year round, but at some point almost every year now he has a manic phase where announces that he's gonna release an album (and a game, and a movie, and run for president, and...), regardless of whether the songs are actually there or not. Case in point - Yandhi. A collection of promising demos that, during what was probably an episode, he wanted to release as a full album. Put billboards up and everything. Presumably he either came down off the high or someone told him that they weren't prepared to release a collection of blatantly unfinished songs, because it never came out. So Help Me God was the exact same thing a couple of years earlier. So, yeah, it's more likely that the mania pushes him to release whatever music he has, rather than him having a pre-planned release date (hah) and exploiting his illness around it. That said, he definitely enjoys the attention he gets from his manic periods. Lots of people with bi-polar do, apparently, makes them feel even more powerful and in-control. The bigger problem might be that the media empire family he lives with might enjoy it too. Kim seems to want to help, but do the rest of his circle have his best interests at heart? Time will tell, I guess. The whole thing is just sad.
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Post by funhouse on Jul 21, 2020 10:30:11 GMT -5
Do you think there's any truth to him actively deciding not to take his meds so his manic side can "roam freely", just to get extra publicity right before dropping an album? That said, he definitely enjoys the attention he gets from his manic periods. Lots of people with bi-polar do, apparently, makes them feel even more powerful and in-control. The bigger problem might be that the media empire family he lives with might enjoy it too. Kim seems to want to help, but do the rest of his circle have his best interests at heart? Time will tell, I guess. The whole thing is just sad. Really scary when you think of it. It really seems that for him to get better, he would have to become unknown again, but that is obviously impossible. He might get back on track for a while, but there will always be an appetite for Kanye, and then he would have to be able to say no in order to stay on that path, which seems highly unlikely that he would actually do.
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Post by World71R on Jul 21, 2020 11:03:50 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Jul 21, 2020 13:20:12 GMT -5
That said, he definitely enjoys the attention he gets from his manic periods. Lots of people with bi-polar do, apparently, makes them feel even more powerful and in-control. The bigger problem might be that the media empire family he lives with might enjoy it too. Kim seems to want to help, but do the rest of his circle have his best interests at heart? Time will tell, I guess. The whole thing is just sad. Really scary when you think of it. It really seems that for him to get better, he would have to become unknown again, but that is obviously impossible. He might get back on track for a while, but there will always be an appetite for Kanye, and then he would have to be able to say no in order to stay on that path, which seems highly unlikely that he would actually do. There’s always that concern with famous people who are going through a difficult period. What they need is security, and in showbiz, but that’s the last place you’ll get it. Full of manipulative people who say they have best interests at hear but are in reality insanely exploitative. A massive star like Kanye is going to be a bigger target to those vultures.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jul 22, 2020 2:00:08 GMT -5
What was the last band you saw live before Covid 19? Mine I believe was Lagerstein, Basement Canberra. The day their alcohol licence nearly got revoked (beer bongs are a no no)
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Post by soulsucker on Jul 22, 2020 5:46:01 GMT -5
The Strokes in Berlin.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 22, 2020 7:08:15 GMT -5
What was the last band you saw live before Covid 19? Mine I believe was Lagerstein. Sloan. Bowery Ballroom. Navy Blues Anniversary tour. Good times were had!
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 22, 2020 8:45:16 GMT -5
What was the last band you saw live before Covid 19? Mine I believe was Lagerstein, Basement Canberra. The day their alcohol licence nearly got revoked (beer bongs are a no no) Some italian singer songwriter called Niccolò Fabi in Rome, now that was in january, 6 fucking months without a gig
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 22, 2020 14:12:32 GMT -5
What was the last band you saw live before Covid 19? Mine I believe was Lagerstein, Basement Canberra. The day their alcohol licence nearly got revoked (beer bongs are a no no) The Analogues, a Beatles tribute band (who replicate every sound, they're not just any tribute band. I generally hate them) in January.
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Post by World71R on Jul 22, 2020 17:41:49 GMT -5
What was the last band you saw live before Covid 19? Mine I believe was Lagerstein, Basement Canberra. The day their alcohol licence nearly got revoked (beer bongs are a no no) Bob Dylan in Mankato, MN...back in October
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 23, 2020 3:56:49 GMT -5
What was the last band you saw live before Covid 19? Mine I believe was Lagerstein, Basement Canberra. The day their alcohol licence nearly got revoked (beer bongs are a no no) Liam in Amsterdam in February this year. I've only been to 2 gigs this year and it remains so. I have rescheduled gigs next year though.
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Post by eva on Jul 23, 2020 7:17:22 GMT -5
What was the last band you saw live before Covid 19? Mine I believe was Lagerstein, Basement Canberra. The day their alcohol licence nearly got revoked (beer bongs are a no no) technically badbadnotgood, but I went to see Khruangbin and it was a double bill, and I since I payed for both I stayed
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