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Post by Cast on Jan 30, 2016 23:52:03 GMT -5
Cocteau Twins, what a band. If you dig shoegaze and Dream Pop you should check them out if you haven't heard of them.
They have three legit classic albums, but Heaven or Las Vegas is literally one of the best albums of all time. Guitar, Bass, and of course Fraser's voice just create this perfect ethereal environment. Shoegaze would make this kinda sound noiser but the Twin's ethereal goth breeze just envelops you in this mystical fog.
Can't recommend Heaven Or Las Vegas enough. One of the most gorgeous records in my collection. Go listen to it, the first track Cherry-Colored Funk should grab you if this music is yer cuppa tea.
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Post by glider on Jan 31, 2016 0:53:19 GMT -5
My Top 10 Verve Tracks:
1) Stormy Clouds
2) Come On
3) A New Decade
4) Gravity Grave
5) Blue
6) Slide Away
7) History
8) Bittersweet Symphony
9) Space and Time
10) One Day
Honorable Mentions: The Rolling People, Drugs Don't Work, Velvet Morning, Weeping Willow, Make It Til' Monday, Beautiful Mind, The Sun, The Sea, She's A Superstar, This Is Music, On Your Own, No Knock On My Door, Life's An Ocean, Catching the Butterfly
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Post by Manualex on Jan 31, 2016 1:11:55 GMT -5
My Top 10 Verve Tracks:
1) Stormy Clouds 2) Come On 3) A New Decade 4) Gravity Grave 5) Blue 6) Slide Away 7) History 8) Bittersweet Symphony 9) Space and Time 10) One Day Honorable Mentions: The Rolling People, Drugs Don't Work, Velvet Morning, Weeping Willow, Make It Til' Monday, Beautiful Mind, The Sun, The Sea, She's A Superstar, This Is Music, On Your Own, No Knock On My Door, Life's An Ocean, Catching the Butterfly What about This Time?  My 10 1) This is Music(I was blown away by the first guitar note on this one!) 2) Already There 3) Bittersweet Symphony 4) Life's An ocean 5) Gravity Grave 6) Sonnet 7) Come On! 8) Slide Away 9) A New Decade 10) Sit and Wonder |
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Post by glider on Jan 31, 2016 1:16:34 GMT -5
My Top 10 Verve Tracks:
1) Stormy Clouds 2) Come On 3) A New Decade 4) Gravity Grave 5) Blue 6) Slide Away 7) History 8) Bittersweet Symphony 9) Space and Time 10) One Day Honorable Mentions: The Rolling People, Drugs Don't Work, Velvet Morning, Weeping Willow, Make It Til' Monday, Beautiful Mind, The Sun, The Sea, She's A Superstar, This Is Music, On Your Own, No Knock On My Door, Life's An Ocean, Catching the Butterfly What about This Time? My 10 1) This is Music(I was blown away by the first guitar note on this one!) 2) Already There 3) Bittersweet Symphony 4) Life's An ocean 5) Gravity Grave 6) Sonnet 7) Come On! 8) Slide Away 9) A New Decade 10) Sit and Wonder Forgot to mention Sonnet and Lucky Man of course (such Ashcroft!) This is gold though... Nick definitely Verve-vized it!  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 31, 2016 2:58:53 GMT -5
Cocteau Twins, what a band. If you dig shoegaze and Dream Pop you should check them out if you haven't heard of them. They have three legit classic albums, but Heaven or Las Vegas is literally one of the best albums of all time. Guitar, Bass, and of course Fraser's voice just create this perfect ethereal environment. Shoegaze would make this kinda sound noiser but the Twin's ethereal goth breeze just envelops you in this mystical fog. Can't remind Heaven Or Las Vegas enough. One of the most gorgeous records in my collection. Go listen to it, the first track Cherry-Colored Funk should grab you if this music is yer cuppa tea. I like them quite a bit. My dad owns a few of their albums and I've always found them very intriguing. Sometimes a bit too much of that really high singing going on though. Re-discovered them a few years ago when I once was listening to The Cure on Spotify and they were featured in the "similar artists" list you can find on the right. To give people an idea: Elizabeth Fraser is the one singing on Massive Attack's Teardrop. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 31, 2016 4:31:18 GMT -5
Cocteau Twins, what a band. If you dig shoegaze and Dream Pop you should check them out if you haven't heard of them. They have three legit classic albums, but Heaven or Las Vegas is literally one of the best albums of all time. Guitar, Bass, and of course Fraser's voice just create this perfect ethereal environment. Shoegaze would make this kinda sound noiser but the Twin's ethereal goth breeze just envelops you in this mystical fog. Can't remind Heaven Or Las Vegas enough. One of the most gorgeous records in my collection. Go listen to it, the first track Cherry-Colored Funk should grab you if this music is yer cuppa tea. I like them quite a bit. My dad owns a few of their albums and I've always found them very intriguing. Sometimes a bit too much of that really high singing going on though. Re-discovered them a few years ago when I once was listening to The Cure on Spotify and they were featured in the "similar artists" list you can find on the right. To give people an idea: Elizabeth Fraser is the one singing on Massive Attack's Teardrop. Carolyn's Fingers is gorgeous. I always preferred this side of Shoegaze to the heavier, Mary Chain style. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 15:52:59 GMT -5
I am falling in love with that song, Archie, Marry Me by Alvvays. Reminds me of the La's quite a bit, I'm going to dig into their debut album.
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Post by Cast on Feb 1, 2016 0:47:05 GMT -5
I am falling in love with that song, Archie, Marry Me by Alvvays. Reminds me of the La's quite a bit, I'm going to dig into their debut album. Can't recommend their debut album enough. It's literally a perfect indie-pop/rock record. Really accessible and engaging on first listen, but over time the songs and the great songwriting itself really start to unfold. its a subtly dynamic set of songs, but there are good 4-5 that are absolute magic. Got a chance to talk to them a year and a half ago, really nice group of people as well. Molly learned how to play guitar by playing along to Oasis and Pavement, so what's not to love? I could go through all the songs, but all 9 hold their merit. You're definitely gonna dig it, and hopefully we'll get a new album from tem this year! |
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Feb 1, 2016 1:14:44 GMT -5
Few U2 thoughts (mainly about their most popular songs): Vertigo gets a lot of shit, but I think it's a pretty awesome rocker of an album opener and lead single. The Spanish counting is a little ridiculous, and the guitars are a little simplistic, but I think that, and everything past the second run through the chorus, is part of what makes it really good. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 1, 2016 2:56:01 GMT -5
I secretly (okay, not so secretly anymore) like some songs by The Weeknd.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 1, 2016 5:24:42 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong I think Radiohead are a great band that will always be thought of very, very highly but I'm still very much not onboard with this "best band since The Beatles" thing. Sure, they've got some superb songs and a couple of essential albums but you know... so have lots of bands.
Simply put I think they're just scratching a particular communities itch harder than any other band. They're arty and they're interesting. Pretty much the formula for overrated.
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Post by mimmihopps on Feb 1, 2016 14:00:27 GMT -5
Probably nobody remembers them ( globe?), but Haven were a great band. They only released 2 albums and both albums were produced by my only Johnny Marr. Their debut album is still one of my all time favourites. |
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 1, 2016 16:26:20 GMT -5
I love The Cure's Seventeen Seconds album, even if half of it is composed of fillers, but the other half is great.
I love Faith too, amazing band.
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Post by asimarx on Feb 1, 2016 16:51:35 GMT -5
Simply put I think they're just scratching a particular communities itch harder than any other band. They're arty and they're interesting. Pretty much the formula for overrated. While I don't think Radiohead are overrated in any way, this is an interesting thought and there's definitely some truth in it. |
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Post by carryusall on Feb 1, 2016 17:01:26 GMT -5
Why is the chorus of Suede's The Drowners so perfect? It's a slightly unorthodox chord progression, but a commonly used one, and no other song with it has that much of an effect on me. The lead guitar lines underpinning the end of the song? Very fine shit indeed, but again that's hardly unheard of. The harmonies and backing vocals? Possibly, they really add to the swooning effect of the chorus.
I'm actually starting to think it's the way the drums keep everything else in time, it's an interesting shift from the verse to the chorus and the drums really hold Bernard Butler's guitars in check. You can hear that there's power to be tapped, but it's very restrained playing, by his standards anyway. It sounds like he's straining at the constraints of the rest of the band, which really resonates with the general themes and mood of the song. Yeah, I think that's it. God I love that song.
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Post by Ross on Feb 1, 2016 17:52:50 GMT -5
Fall Fall Fall by Razorlight is about as perfect an album closer as it gets.
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Post by mkoasis on Feb 1, 2016 21:39:14 GMT -5
My Top 10 Verve Tracks:
1) Stormy Clouds 2) Come On 3) A New Decade 4) Gravity Grave 5) Blue 6) Slide Away 7) History 8) Bittersweet Symphony 9) Space and Time 10) One Day Honorable Mentions: The Rolling People, Drugs Don't Work, Velvet Morning, Weeping Willow, Make It Til' Monday, Beautiful Mind, The Sun, The Sea, She's A Superstar, This Is Music, On Your Own, No Knock On My Door, Life's An Ocean, Catching the Butterfly While we're on the subject... 1) Lucky Man 2) She's a Superstar 3) So it Goes 4) History 5) Slide Away 6) Space and Time 7) Stormy Clouds + reprise 8) Rather Be 9) The Sun, the Sea 10) Back on my Feet Again And so many more bsides I barely even thought of - Grey Skies, So Sister, All Night Long, Where the Geese Go, Six O-Clock, Let the Damage Begin, Three Steps, Chic Dub. If you are a Verve fan, you really must not neglect their bsides! |
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Post by mkoasis on Feb 1, 2016 21:40:38 GMT -5
My Top 10 Verve Tracks:
1) Stormy Clouds 2) Come On 3) A New Decade 4) Gravity Grave 5) Blue 6) Slide Away 7) History 8) Bittersweet Symphony 9) Space and Time 10) One Day Honorable Mentions: The Rolling People, Drugs Don't Work, Velvet Morning, Weeping Willow, Make It Til' Monday, Beautiful Mind, The Sun, The Sea, She's A Superstar, This Is Music, On Your Own, No Knock On My Door, Life's An Ocean, Catching the Butterfly While we're on the subject... 1) Lucky Man 2) She's a Superstar 3) So it Goes 4) History 5) Slide Away 6) Space and Time 7) Stormy Clouds + reprise 8) Rather Be 9) The Sun, the Sea 10) Back on my Feet Again And so many more bsides I barely even thought of - Grey Skies, So Sister, All Night Long, Where the Geese Go, Six O-Clock, Let the Damage Begin, Three Steps, Chic Dub. If you are a Verve fan, you really must not neglect their bsides! |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Feb 2, 2016 3:19:58 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong I think Radiohead are a great band that will always be thought of very, very highly but I'm still very much not onboard with this "best band since The Beatles" thing. Sure, they've got some superb songs and a couple of essential albums but you know... so have lots of bands. Simply put I think they're just scratching a particular communities itch harder than any other band. They're arty and they're interesting. Pretty much the formula for overrated. It's actually quite embarrassing how the NME and Pitchfork continuously kiss Radiohead's arse. If anything, it gives Radiohead a bad image among non-fans. It's even gotten to the point that I've heard Radiohead fans don't want Radiohead to be associated with Pitchfork, who, if you think about it, were riding off the coattails of the success of Kid A to build their own reputation. As for the best band since the Beatles thing, personally, I'd include Radiohead as a contender for that title. But I'd also throw in bands like Pink Floyd, The Smiths, U2, and Joy Division (all of whom significantly influenced Radiohead, funnily enough). |
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Feb 2, 2016 3:49:45 GMT -5
Did Eximperituserqethhzebibšiptugakkathšulweliarzaxułum hire Fiona Apple for their name and debut album which in English is: Projecting the singular emission ov the Doctrine ov Absolute and All-Absorbing Evil through the hexahedral prism ov Sîn-Ahhī-Erība upon the hypersurface ov zodiacal arc ov the cosmotechnical order ov paleocontact founders the utterly ancient hypostases ov pre-axes civilizations actuate the resonance transformer ov temporally similar to the eternity ov the future in the towers ov Nwn-Hu-Kek-Amon’s obcervatory embodying the ashes ov Alulim into the ethereal matter to the west ov exoplanet PSRB 1620-26b.
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 2, 2016 12:16:19 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong I think Radiohead are a great band that will always be thought of very, very highly but I'm still very much not onboard with this "best band since The Beatles" thing. Sure, they've got some superb songs and a couple of essential albums but you know... so have lots of bands. Simply put I think they're just scratching a particular communities itch harder than any other band. They're arty and they're interesting. Pretty much the formula for overrated. I'd say they have a pretty strong claim in the race for second place. Over the past twenty years, they've produced four classics (The Bends, Ok Computer, Kid A, In Rainbows), one minor classic (Amnesiac) and two merely good records (Hail to the Thief, The King of Limbs). That's not only incredibly consistent at at an incredibly high level, it's also in a wide range of genres. The only band I could name that's kept such a high level so long in so many different ways is...you guessed it...The Beatles. There's a bunch of other arguments you could make (generally considered best album in two consecutive decades, innovation in music and format etc...) but the thing that's impressed me most is this. I'm on, have been on, or have lurked on forums for Oasis, Coldplay, The Beatles, Placebo, Sigur Ros, Aphex Twin, and IDM in general. That's a pretty wide range, and the only three bands that have had significant love and respect on all of them are The Beatles, Pink Floyd, and Radiohead. I'd say Pink Floyd should probably be considered the better band at this point, but if Radiohead change style again, and produce an album as good as their top four, then they can reasonably be considered the second best. The most amazing thing about all this is, for me, that no one even discusses the best band ever. When you think of how fucking amazing The Beatles were, it puts everyone else in perspective. Seven. Fucking. Years. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 2, 2016 17:41:50 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong I think Radiohead are a great band that will always be thought of very, very highly but I'm still very much not onboard with this "best band since The Beatles" thing. Sure, they've got some superb songs and a couple of essential albums but you know... so have lots of bands. Simply put I think they're just scratching a particular communities itch harder than any other band. They're arty and they're interesting. Pretty much the formula for overrated. I'd say they have a pretty strong claim in the race for second place. Over the past twenty years, they've produced four classics (The Bends, Ok Computer, Kid A, In Rainbows), one minor classic (Amnesiac) and two merely good records (Hail to the Thief, The King of Limbs). That's not only incredibly consistent at at an incredibly high level, it's also in a wide range of genres. The only band I could name that's kept such a high level so long in so many different ways is...you guessed it...The Beatles. 'Classic album'. That's a term I've always found to be pretty arbitrary. I mean, when does an album become 'classic' and how are they comparable? Not a question anyone can answer with the same kind of certainty 'classic' implies. Does the range of genres really matter? If you're hitting it out of the park with every swing, does the amount of ground you're covering really matter? From a technical standpoint it may be impressive but for someone who simply wants to listen to good music why should they care? I think there's a good reason why many bands (who are obviously trying to be the best they can be) don't aim to widen their musical horizons. The (so called) best album thing is little more than convenient timing and our love to define things within the decimal system. Had Kid A have been released a couple of months earlier the musical landscape would be no different and this wouldn't even be a talking point. Format? Come on... Innovation is a tricky subject when you start to look into it more detail. Sure, I think the band are very much up there (at face value) but it's another point similar to covering a wide style of music, like I discussed before. Not sure I find the forum thing overly surprising. If it's not a direct link it's quite easy to spot the connections. Similarly I doubt Led Zeppelin, a band who would also be very much in contention, would get the same kind of respect from that selection. |
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 2, 2016 18:10:30 GMT -5
In rainbows a classic??
An album which is more rembered by its pay marketing ( which didn't work and other bands did before) than its songs.
Afirmations like this are what make many people think that Radiohead are vastly overrated.
The wrong thing about radiohead fans is that it seems that they live in their own world, not concerning about other bands.
Many other band also had great runs of albuns too: led zep, stones, the who, mettalica,... Not only Radiohead.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 2, 2016 19:31:58 GMT -5
'Classic album'. That's a term I've always found to be pretty arbitrary. I mean, when does an album become 'classic' and how are they comparable? Not a question anyone can answer with the same kind of certainty 'classic' implies. Does the range of genres really matter? If you're hitting it out of the park with every swing, does the amount of ground you're covering really matter? From a technical standpoint it may be impressive but for someone who simply wants to listen to good music why should they care? I think there's a good reason why many bands (who are obviously trying to be the best they can be) don't aim to widen their musical horizons. The (so called) best album thing is little more than convenient timing and our love to define things within the decimal system. Had Kid A have been released a couple of months earlier the musical landscape would be no different and this wouldn't even be a talking point. Format? Come on... Innovation is a tricky subject when you start to look into it more detail. Sure, I think the band are very much up there (at face value) but it's another point similar to covering a wide style of music, like I discussed before. Not sure I find the forum thing overly surprising. If it's not a direct link it's quite easy to spot the connections. Similarly I doubt Led Zeppelin, a band who would also be very much in contention, would get the same kind of respect from that selection. I'd say a classic is an album which was highly influential and has aged well, keeping its relevancy and popularity/respect. It's one of those terms which is hard to define but it's meaning is understood. I'd say by almost any definition, the four albums I mentioned are classics. If you don't like that term though, feel free to replace it with something more lessez-faire. "Really Fucking Good" for instance. If you are going to bother to discuss something as abstract and subjective as music, then genre certainly matters as much as most points. This isn't about whether Radiohead is good, it's whether it's reasonable to say they're the "best since The Beatles". In that case, I think you certainly need to have covered a range of genres, the same way The Beatles did. You can't realistically get to that status without proving you have both the ambition and ability to change. It's true about the decimal system, it's just one of those little things. I think with the promotion of Kid A, the release method of In Rainbows, and EP-like nature of The King of Limbs, it's fair to say Radiohead have done more than most with the format of an album. By and large I agree with your description of what defines a 'classic album'. Though I believe my point holds true it was pretty pessimistic. For the most part it was informed by thinking about all the great albums that aren't considered (or at least widely) classic and comparing them to those that are. Probably doesn't help that like Headmaster I'm not the biggest fan of In Rainbows either. I prefer Amnesiac myself. On the other point I simply like to distill the equation for 'being a great band' to nothing more than the quality of the songs. I'd like to think this alone does the job and anything and everything else is more than secondary. Oh now you're just flirting. I think the Led Zeppelin thing probably proves my theory - ha. Led Zeppelin doesn't get much coverage here (it's probably halved since kalas left went on hiatus) and even then it's very mixed at best. You wouldn't have to look hard for it if you so chose though. Funnily enough I almost included a bizarrely similar list to your own on my last post, with The Velvet Underground* over Sigur Ros and U2 (although the latter was in contention). I actually agree that Radiohead should be very definitely be in contention (probably forgot a few other too) but the the point which prompted my original post was the fact I never hear the phrase "the best thing since The Beatles" connected with any other band in any repeated measure. Hence my assumptions. *Even though a lot of their timeline does indeed overlap with that of The Beatles. |
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Post by glider on Feb 2, 2016 20:18:29 GMT -5
Yes.
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