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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 12:25:30 GMT -5
I don't think Noel deliberately sabotaged it, however it could have been an ace record with a little more thought and a little more time put into it. It wasn't a case for me of them not having the songs, I would say they didn't really have the songs to record during the HC era. For me if you get rid of GOYHHL, AGN, TNOR and SO and put in TBWTB, RM AND STC then you have a decent all round record. Its not like they had impossible obsticles to overcome, it was only time and effort. Liam and Noel can be very impossible I reckon. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Oct 24, 2016 12:37:11 GMT -5
I've said it before but DOYS should have been 7 track, 30 minute EP. Cutting the final four songs off completely.
The problem for Oasis was that you cant do a world tour on the back of an EP so they stuck 4 garbage songs on the end to warrant the tour so they could pocket the cash that comes with it.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 24, 2016 13:13:56 GMT -5
DIG OUT YOUR SOUL
1. Bag it Up
2. The Turning
3. Waiting for the Rapture
4. The Shock of the Lightning
5. I'm Outta Time
6. Come On Outside
7. Falling Down
8. To Be Where There's Life
9. Record Machine
10. The Boy With the Blues
11. Stop the Clocks
Ship this to Brian Eno, release the following singles:
#1: The Shock of the Lightning
#2: Falling Down
#3: I'm Outta Time
- Album -
#4: Come On Outside
#5: The Boy With the Blues
...and boom! Oasis are relevant again!
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Post by space75gr on Oct 24, 2016 15:13:32 GMT -5
DIG OUT YOUR SOUL 1. Bag it Up 2. The Turning 3. Waiting for the Rapture 4. The Shock of the Lightning 5. I'm Outta Time 6. Come On Outside 7. Falling Down 8. To Be Where There's Life9. Record Machine (Liam voice)10. The Boy With the Blues 11. Stop the Clocks (closer to demo version)12. Soldier OnShip this to Brian Eno, release the following singles: #1: The Shock of the Lightning #2: Falling Down #3: I'm Outta Time - Album - #4: Come On Outside #5: The Boy With the Blues ...and boom! Oasis are relevant again! that's a really great album |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 15:31:28 GMT -5
SOTSOG and DOYS are missed opportunities while HC was already doomed and DBTT is just too average.
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Post by arthurmorgan on Oct 24, 2016 15:35:28 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter if you swap I Believe in All for Ain't Got Nothing or The Boy With The Blues for Soldier On. That's just nit-picking and doesn't improve much. The real problem was the songwriting democracy bullshit
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Post by spaneli on Oct 24, 2016 15:55:26 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter if you swap I Believe in All for Ain't Got Nothing or The Boy With The Blues for Soldier On. That's just nit-picking and doesn't improve much. The real problem was the songwriting democracy bullshit Someone go it.  Trying to replace deeply flawed songs with more deeply flawed songs, still makes a deeply flawed album. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 16:04:21 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter if you swap I Believe in All for Ain't Got Nothing or The Boy With The Blues for Soldier On. That's just nit-picking and doesn't improve much. The real problem was the songwriting democracy bullshit Someone go it. Trying to replace deeply flawed songs with more deeply flawed songs, still makes a deeply flawed album. So... DOYS is Trump... DOYS with Boy With the Blues and I Believe In All in place of Muffins and Reality is Hillary... Only a marginal improvement. Got it.  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 24, 2016 16:41:17 GMT -5
I think it's long been assumed that songwriting democracy killed Oasis.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 24, 2016 17:27:32 GMT -5
Oh aye, because Oasis were ever a democracy...
Come on, people, we know all about Noel by now. Any geezer who has his own chair in the studio, that no one else is allowed to sit in, you just know he's gonna get his way every single time.
Obviously there was some kind of quota adhered to, on the later albums, for LAG having x amount of songs on there, but I have now doubt it was Noel who set that in place, and made them stick rigidly to it. Don't ask me why he'd do such a thing - especially for DOYS, when he was clearly well on his way again, with his songwriting. There's no sense in it. But neither was there any sense in leaving The Masterplan off Morning Glory. Or Let's All Make Believe off SOTSOG. And so on...
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 24, 2016 17:34:01 GMT -5
Yeah, sure, but he didn't MAKE LAG write shit songs, right?
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Post by Manualex on Oct 24, 2016 17:39:26 GMT -5
Yeah, sure, but he didn't MAKE LAG write shit songs, right? He forced Liam to write For Anyone, Gem to write Standing on the edge of Noise and Andy write the Beat Goes On. He's puré evil. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 24, 2016 17:53:01 GMT -5
Fuck the songwriting democracy! If Noel had taken control, we could've had an album like this!
1. Bag It Up
2. The Turning
3. Waiting for the Rapture
4. The Shock of the Lightning
5. AKA... Broken Arrow
6. Come On Outside
7. Falling Down
8. Soldier Boys and Jesus Freaks
9. Freaky Teeth
10. (Stranded On) The Wrong Beach
11. A Simple Game of Genius
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 24, 2016 18:10:23 GMT -5
DIG OUT YOUR SOUL 1. Bag it Up 2. The Turning 3. Waiting for the Rapture 4. The Shock of the Lightning 5. I'm Outta Time 6. Come On Outside 7. Falling Down 8. To Be Where There's Life 9. Record Machine 10. The Boy With the Blues 11. Stop the Clocks Ship this to Brian Eno, release the following singles: #1: The Shock of the Lightning #2: Falling Down #3: I'm Outta Time - Album - #4: Come On Outside #5: The Boy With the Blues ...and boom! Oasis are relevant again! This. One thousand and five fucking one times this. I've been screaming this for years. |
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 24, 2016 18:31:36 GMT -5
Is that not exactly what Soldier On is? They found the late night jam track collecting dust somewhere and decide it was fit for the album. You can Thank the Coral(corrals?) For that Thank you The Coral, thank you very much, Soldier is a fine tune. The guys from The Coral found it great because it sounds more like their more trippy stuffs . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 18:36:46 GMT -5
Yeah, sure, but he didn't MAKE LAG write shit songs, right? He forced Liam to write For Anyone, Gem to write Standing on the edge of Noise and Andy write the Beat Goes On. He's puré evil. I actually quite like for anyone, just sounds old as dirt much like the rest of DGSS... |
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Post by glider on Oct 24, 2016 21:07:47 GMT -5
SOTSOG and DOYS are missed opportunities while HC was already doomed and DBTT is just too average. This guy gets it! |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 24, 2016 21:49:05 GMT -5
Oh aye, because Oasis were ever a democracy... Come on, people, we know all about Noel by now. Any geezer who has his own chair in the studio, that no one else is allowed to sit in, you just know he's gonna get his way every single time. Obviously there was some kind of quota adhered to, on the later albums, for LAG having x amount of songs on there, but I have now doubt it was Noel who set that in place, and made them stick rigidly to it. Don't ask me why he'd do such a thing - especially for DOYS, when he was clearly well on his way again, with his songwriting. There's no sense in it. But neither was there any sense in leaving The Masterplan off Morning Glory. Or Let's All Make Believe off SOTSOG. And so on... Tbf, Oasis were coming off their most successful album in terms of sales and critical reception in years because of the quota system. Noel loves success. The quota system brought him that success again (with less effort). I think he was more willing to lie low because of that success. Why fix something that didn't seem broken at the time? Why use all of your songs when you now know that LAG can handle the load? I don't think he consciously sabotaged DOYS or purposely held back songs for a solo career, but I don't think that he thought that he needed to blow through his back catalog of songs again like he did with the Masterplan. He might have felt more secure in delegating. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Oct 25, 2016 2:14:53 GMT -5
Oh aye, because Oasis were ever a democracy... Come on, people, we know all about Noel by now. Any geezer who has his own chair in the studio, that no one else is allowed to sit in, you just know he's gonna get his way every single time. Obviously there was some kind of quota adhered to, on the later albums, for LAG having x amount of songs on there, but I have now doubt it was Noel who set that in place, and made them stick rigidly to it. Don't ask me why he'd do such a thing - especially for DOYS, when he was clearly well on his way again, with his songwriting. There's no sense in it. But neither was there any sense in leaving The Masterplan off Morning Glory. Or Let's All Make Believe off SOTSOG. And so on... Having worked in a studio I can assure you having dibs on a chair is essential . Anyway, Noel did doom the band. As soon as he met someone else write songs for oasis it was all a slow death from there. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 25, 2016 3:54:57 GMT -5
SOTSOG and DOYS are missed opportunities while HC was already doomed and DBTT is just too average. This guy gets it! What, has @driver7 finally asked her out?! Oh sorry, Oasis.........   |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 25, 2016 3:59:00 GMT -5
Oh aye, because Oasis were ever a democracy... Come on, people, we know all about Noel by now. Any geezer who has his own chair in the studio, that no one else is allowed to sit in, you just know he's gonna get his way every single time. Obviously there was some kind of quota adhered to, on the later albums, for LAG having x amount of songs on there, but I have now doubt it was Noel who set that in place, and made them stick rigidly to it. Don't ask me why he'd do such a thing - especially for DOYS, when he was clearly well on his way again, with his songwriting. There's no sense in it. But neither was there any sense in leaving The Masterplan off Morning Glory. Or Let's All Make Believe off SOTSOG. And so on... Tbf, Oasis were coming off their most successful album in terms of sales and critical reception in years because of the quota system. Noel loves success. The quota system brought him that success again (with less effort). I think he was more willing to lie low because of that success. Why fix something that didn't seem broken at the time? Why use all of your songs when you now know that LAG can handle the load? I don't think he consciously sabotaged DOYS or purposely held back songs for a solo career, but I don't think that he thought that he needed to blow through his back catalog of songs again like he did with the Masterplan. He might have felt more secure in delegating. This. His publishing and record deal with Sony at least up until the DBTT release would have called for a minimum quota of songs from himself, rather than from LAG. After the DBTT cycle though and with new deals to negotiate that quota was effectively over and it was more a case of as you say "if they can handle the load why not?" although that lasted for one more record... |
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Post by Louis Tully on Oct 25, 2016 4:01:22 GMT -5
¿Did eva sabotage Dig Out Your Soul? It's possible...........there's really know way of ever knowing for sure. Gracias. |
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Oct 25, 2016 4:05:53 GMT -5
Should have walked after Knebworth. I think Noel at least had regrets from that decision in 1996 to carry on as early as the following year with this quote from 1997- Oasis Interview Blogspot full articleIt certainly became a reoccurring theme on and off until the 2009 spilt with Noel and solo records, so I do wonder if he had his time again would he chose to go out in front of 125,000 in August 1996 before taking some time off and reemerging like his idols Johnny Marr and perhaps more so as a continually evolving solo artist Paul Weller. Noel always had a big mouth. He didn´t have the balls back then to do it alone though - even high as a kite and thinking he is the best. So yeah I guess he still needed Liam, not just for his voice but also for being the frontman and taking a lot of pressure from outside. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 25, 2016 4:12:26 GMT -5
Oh aye, because Oasis were ever a democracy... Come on, people, we know all about Noel by now. Any geezer who has his own chair in the studio, that no one else is allowed to sit in, you just know he's gonna get his way every single time. Obviously there was some kind of quota adhered to, on the later albums, for LAG having x amount of songs on there, but I have now doubt it was Noel who set that in place, and made them stick rigidly to it. Don't ask me why he'd do such a thing - especially for DOYS, when he was clearly well on his way again, with his songwriting. There's no sense in it. But neither was there any sense in leaving The Masterplan off Morning Glory. Or Let's All Make Believe off SOTSOG. And so on... The quota would have actually been the other way round until the end of the original deal upon the release of DBTT. The reason for this is Sony Music signed the band and Noel as a songwriter to a publishing deal, on the understanding initially and as it had transpired for the first three LP's that he wrote all the songs. When LAG entered with songs none of them were signed to Sony who distributed the albums as songwriters, meaning that Sony Music Publishing was losing a cut of royalties with every LAG composition on those records. It would have been fairly standard practice for the publishers to insert a clause at the beginning of the six album cycle to say something along the lines of "All releases must contain x amount of Noel Gallagher compositions" or "x% of compositions". Agreed about his song choices for b-sides instead of albums, although in fairness 'The Masterplan' wasn't written until August 1995 and previewed at Maison Rouge studios on 8th September 1995 along with 'Round Are Way', by which time WTSMG? would have been readied for release and after the issues with 'Step Out' already changing the running order once it is possible they wouldn't have been comfortable reworking a supposedly completed track list again. I certainly would have kept those two songs for a third album though, with 'The Masterplan' alone sung by either brother I feel being enough to certainly negate a fair amount of negativity towards the album perhaps not from journalists (who incidentally were very lukewarm to WTSMG? until it started selling by the truckload) but certainly the record buying public. Ad the vagaries of Oasis decisions between 1993 and 1998 |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 25, 2016 4:17:12 GMT -5
I think Noel at least had regrets from that decision in 1996 to carry on as early as the following year with this quote from 1997- Oasis Interview Blogspot full articleIt certainly became a reoccurring theme on and off until the 2009 spilt with Noel and solo records, so I do wonder if he had his time again would he chose to go out in front of 125,000 in August 1996 before taking some time off and reemerging like his idols Johnny Marr and perhaps more so as a continually evolving solo artist Paul Weller. Noel always had a big mouth. He didn´t have the balls back then to do it alone though - even high as a kite and thinking he is the best. So yeah I guess he still needed Liam, not just for his voice but also for being the frontman and taking a lot of pressure from outside. I agree that was a factor certainly, but as I said in the rest of that piece I wouldn't discount how much of a cash cow the band was especially during 1995-1997 to both brothers, their management, record company, publishers, promoters, etc. Would either have had a solo career matching that? unlikely even if successful, and rock n' roll history is littered with tales of guitarists, singers and songwriters who assumed they were the band or at least bigger than the band but ended up falling flat with a solo album. For every Peter Frampton there are countless examples of failure.... |
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