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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 9, 2016 12:20:29 GMT -5
WARNING: Massively unpopular opinion coming up!!! Like The Beatles, Noel needs to quit touring to maximise the potential of songs in the studio and use it as a superpowered instrument in itself, rather than diluting songs to a dull plod so as to merely replicate in the arena. I mean, he just needs to listen David Bowie's new album......... One thing I've learned about Noel Gallagher is he will constantly let you down when you build up expectations. He's sadly not gonna do any of what you suggested. I wish he would. The AA project didn't need to be toured or promoted. Just make it a $9 digital download on NoelGallagher.com. Avoid any potential "bad" reviews by just having it feel like an off the cuff fan gift. All problems solved.  I think that's where the problem lies. Look at utter shite like Lock All The Doors for instance, and it's so obviously on there to tick boxes. "Right, The Girl With X-Ray Eyes is a bit poppy and naff, and Dying Of The Light is a ballad, let's shove something a bit rocky in there between them, and then we can play it at the start of the gigs as well..." He's still got the mentality of a band starting out, and already thinking ahead to what their setlists will be, trying to make the best impression possible. He doesn't need to do that, he's already an established artist, with a reputation many would give their playing arm for. He even made a comment about not playing The Right Stuff at his gigs because his "bald, working-class" audiences wouldn't get it. Bollocks to what you're live shows will be like. And bollocks to whether the fanbase you perceive yourself as having will like it or not. You're making a record, you're making art! Don't just be shoving songs on there in order to acquiesce with a formula you've allowed yourself to get consumed by, make the best, most interesting stuff you possibly can at that time! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 9, 2016 12:35:52 GMT -5
Whatever your expectations are for Noel's third album, divide that in half.  ....and slice that half in half. And from that half we will get a quarter of what Noel initially hyped up. |
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Post by matt on Jan 9, 2016 13:59:15 GMT -5
One thing I've learned about Noel Gallagher is he will constantly let you down when you build up expectations. He's sadly not gonna do any of what you suggested. I wish he would. The AA project didn't need to be toured or promoted. Just make it a $9 digital download on NoelGallagher.com. Avoid any potential "bad" reviews by just having it feel like an off the cuff fan gift. All problems solved. I think that's where the problem lies. Look at utter shite like Lock All The Doors for instance, and it's so obviously on there to tick boxes. "Right, The Girl With X-Ray Eyes is a bit poppy and naff, and Dying Of The Light is a ballad, let's shove something a bit rocky in there between them, and then we can play it at the start of the gigs as well..." He's still got the mentality of a band starting out, and already thinking ahead to what their setlists will be, trying to make the best impression possible. He doesn't need to do that, he's already an established artist, with a reputation many would give their playing arm for. He even made a comment about not playing The Right Stuff at his gigs because his "bald, working-class" audiences wouldn't get it. Bollocks to what you're live shows will be like. And bollocks to whether the fanbase you perceive yourself as having will like it or not. You're making a record, you're making art! Don't just be shoving songs on there in order to acquiesce with a formula you've allowed yourself to get consumed by, make the best, most interesting stuff you possibly can at that time! See, that's the problem in a nutshell. Merely focusing on a limited audience and never reaching out to other audiences. It's not like he doesn't have the capabilities either - I hear many people claim 'I like Noel Gallagher as a person but his songs are boring'. And, aside from moments of brilliance, too right they are. I mean, how many times do we have to hear a song like Lock All The Doors? Has that song not been done to death for the last 20 years? It's like an extremely watered down version of a Definitely Maybe song - who the hell wants to listen to that when we can just, erm, listen to Definitely Maybe? It is what it is as you say - utter shite! |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 9, 2016 14:08:41 GMT -5
Oh and I meant to say in my above post, The Right Stuff is one of the most popular of his newer stuff on here - members such as Cast, who are seldom wrong when it comes to judging new music, have even cited it as their absolute favourite Chasing Yesterday tune - so he clearly underestimates his listeners taste, just as he underrates himself by placing such strict guidelines on his music all of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 14:42:50 GMT -5
So Lock All The Doors is utter shit? Okay?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 14:46:47 GMT -5
the right stuff couldnt be played live much like roll it over couldnt have done because its wouldnt be that great live, those 2 songs are quite atmospheric and that likely couldnt be captured that well in the live setting, not to mention that the right stuff is quite a slow song, he removed BOTMI because it was "boring" so the right stuff wouldnt be any better.
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Post by mossy on Jan 9, 2016 16:38:19 GMT -5
What's the problem with Noel's setlist? He's playing with a band. They can't rehearse fifty different songs for every tour. Plenty of bands do: consequenceofsound.net/2015/08/the-25-best-rock-acts-with-unique-setlists/2/Personally I think that given the size of his back catalogue it is criminal that Noel doesn't switch the setlists up a bit more, especially given the hefty ticket prices. "On average, The Cure will juggle 67 tracks each tour and they’re known to knock out 45-song setlists." "Arcade Fires's Reflektor tour alone featured 68 different songs. Of those, 35 were covers ranging from Prince, to Dead Kennedys, to Feist, to Boyz II Men." "One of the worst things in music is when bands play the same set every night." -Ed O'Brien, Radiohead |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 9, 2016 16:41:07 GMT -5
Lock All the Doors is a great song, it just needs heavier guitars.
Also it no place on a Noel solo album. Let's stop *ahem* chasing yesterday and look a bit more forward!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 17:36:53 GMT -5
What's the problem with Noel's setlist? He's playing with a band. They can't rehearse fifty different songs for every tour. Plenty of bands do: consequenceofsound.net/2015/08/the-25-best-rock-acts-with-unique-setlists/2/Personally I think that given the size of his back catalogue it is criminal that Noel doesn't switch the setlists up a bit more, especially given the hefty ticket prices. "On average, The Cure will juggle 67 tracks each tour and they’re known to knock out 45-song setlists." "Arcade Fires's Reflektor tour alone featured 68 different songs. Of those, 35 were covers ranging from Prince, to Dead Kennedys, to Feist, to Boyz II Men." "One of the worst things in music is when bands play the same set every night." -Ed O'Brien, Radiohead Yes he has a great back catalogue but he's not in Oasis anymore. If he wants people to take his new band/music seriously, he has to perform his new tracks live. Radiohead, Arcade Fire and The Cure are now playing together for a very long time. They know their songs very well and they won't need as much time to rehearse older songs. However Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds were formed in 2011 and Noel is the only one in the band that knows the complete catalogue of songs he has written. I get your point and in the end Noel is probably just too lazy. But I think the focus should not be on his Oasis songs when he's performing with his new band and he doesn't need to change the setlist everyday. He's performing for the people that are attending his concert (who'll most likely won't visit another one on the same tour) and not for people online that are downloading every bootleg of every concert he is doing. |
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Post by mossy on Jan 9, 2016 18:31:28 GMT -5
Plenty of bands do: consequenceofsound.net/2015/08/the-25-best-rock-acts-with-unique-setlists/2/Personally I think that given the size of his back catalogue it is criminal that Noel doesn't switch the setlists up a bit more, especially given the hefty ticket prices. "On average, The Cure will juggle 67 tracks each tour and they’re known to knock out 45-song setlists." "Arcade Fires's Reflektor tour alone featured 68 different songs. Of those, 35 were covers ranging from Prince, to Dead Kennedys, to Feist, to Boyz II Men." "One of the worst things in music is when bands play the same set every night." -Ed O'Brien, Radiohead Yes he has a great back catalogue but he's not in Oasis anymore. If he wants people to take his new band/music seriously, he has to perform his new tracks live. Radiohead, Arcade Fire and The Cure are now playing together for a very long time. They know their songs very well and they won't need as much time to rehearse older songs. However Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds were formed in 2011 and Noel is the only one in the band that knows the complete catalogue of songs he has written. I get your point and in the end Noel is probably just too lazy. But I think the focus should not be on his Oasis songs when he's performing with his new band and he doesn't need to change the setlist everyday. He's performing for the people that are attending his concert (who'll most likely won't visit another one on the same tour) and not for people online that are downloading every bootleg of every concert he is doing. There're loads of solo songs he's hasn't played live yet, or only played a few times. If he played longer sets he could add in more solo and Oasis songs. His songs aren't difficult to rehearse for pro musicians. It's not Metallica. Hell, he could occasionally pick up an acoustic guitar and play a rare song or two by himself. It wouldn't be difficult. I agree with you completely that he's too lazy though. Which is sad. For the want of another word he's just not as "artistic" as those other bands and I respect them more for it. I didn't get tickets for his next UK tour. It'll be the same old setlist, why bother? |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 10, 2016 10:26:41 GMT -5
So Lock All The Doors is utter shit? Okay? Yes. Next question. |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 10, 2016 10:28:10 GMT -5
Noel has the capabilities to be a lot more free in his songwriting, the same with his lyrics. However, it's clear he has come up in a school of thought of replication. Noel is a great student of music, and he has formed his music and his albums in mirrored image to what he deems as successful albums, so a couple rockers, a couple ballads, and a couple of "out there" tracks. I don't think he'll ever deviate from that as long as his albums remain successful. Remember, it took the "failure' of DGSS for Beady Eye to attempt BE. If DGSS is more successful, I don't think Beady Eye even attempt an album like BE.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 10:32:32 GMT -5
So Lock All The Doors is utter shit? Okay? I love it theres something about that first verse lyrics for me. She wore a star-shaped tambourine The prettiest girl I had ever seen Was standing lost and lonely on the shore I try to catch her every night Dancing on her own in the candlelight But I can't seem to reach her anymore it has a meaning to me maybe not to others but for me it does. |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 10, 2016 10:34:29 GMT -5
So Lock All The Doors is utter shit? Okay? Yes. Next question. There isn't a song on that album that gets worse and worse every time I listen to it, other than Lock All the Doors. it's tired. It's weak. Derivative of himself. The lyrics are some of the worst and most cliched he's ever written. It's far too clean. There's a reason it was never released. Because it was a good idea, but it wasn't anything special. It's just a typically decent rocker. Even live, it sounds tired and old. Better lyrics, heavy and dirtier guitars, and a better vocal, and maybe it's a pretty good song. But it sounds like a song done by a 40 something year old. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 10:42:52 GMT -5
There isn't a song on that album that gets worse and worse every time I listen to it, other than Lock All the Doors. it's tired. It's weak. Derivative of himself. The lyrics are some of the worst and most cliched he's ever written. It's far too clean. There's a reason it was never released. Because it was a good idea, but it wasn't anything special. It's just a typically decent rocker. Even live, it sounds tired and old. Better lyrics, heavy and dirtier guitars, and a better vocal, and maybe it's a pretty good song. But it sounds like a song done by a 40 something year old. I dont think its tired per say, had it been released in the 90s with Liam still on top form it wouldve been a huge track imo, theres tracks during the BHN era that Noel sang on occasion and while it sounded it good, it lacked the attitude that Liam brought to it and for me thats the same with lock all the doors, same with the live version I get this feeling of "wheres Liam?", I enjoy listening to it but for me its crying out for Liams vocals (even his present voice). |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 10, 2016 10:52:31 GMT -5
There isn't a song on that album that gets worse and worse every time I listen to it, other than Lock All the Doors. it's tired. It's weak. Derivative of himself. The lyrics are some of the worst and most cliched he's ever written. It's far too clean. There's a reason it was never released. Because it was a good idea, but it wasn't anything special. It's just a typically decent rocker. Even live, it sounds tired and old. Better lyrics, heavy and dirtier guitars, and a better vocal, and maybe it's a pretty good song. But it sounds like a song done by a 40 something year old. I dont think its tired per say, had it been released in the 90s with Liam still on top form it wouldve been a huge track imo, theres tracks during the BHN era that Noel sang on occasion and while it sounded it good, it lacked the attitude that Liam brought to it and for me thats the same with lock all the doors, same with the live version I get this feeling of "wheres Liam?", I enjoy listening to it but for me its crying out for Liams vocals (even his present voice). For me, it's not JUST Liam not being there. I hate the drums,. For me, it's far too kick snare and contributes to the tiredness of the track. I also hate the walk down in the current version. In the original there's kind of a walk down bass riff that sounds nice, but for some reason Noel decided to bring it out more. I'm not a big fan of the tambourine. The guitars are far too clean, and the lyrics are blah. That track, for me, has a lot long wrong with it. |
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Post by freddy838 on Jan 10, 2016 11:18:26 GMT -5
Plenty of bands do: consequenceofsound.net/2015/08/the-25-best-rock-acts-with-unique-setlists/2/Personally I think that given the size of his back catalogue it is criminal that Noel doesn't switch the setlists up a bit more, especially given the hefty ticket prices. "On average, The Cure will juggle 67 tracks each tour and they’re known to knock out 45-song setlists." "Arcade Fires's Reflektor tour alone featured 68 different songs. Of those, 35 were covers ranging from Prince, to Dead Kennedys, to Feist, to Boyz II Men." "One of the worst things in music is when bands play the same set every night." -Ed O'Brien, Radiohead Yes he has a great back catalogue but he's not in Oasis anymore. If he wants people to take his new band/music seriously, he has to perform his new tracks live. Radiohead, Arcade Fire and The Cure are now playing together for a very long time. They know their songs very well and they won't need as much time to rehearse older songs. However Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds were formed in 2011 and Noel is the only one in the band that knows the complete catalogue of songs he has written. I get your point and in the end Noel is probably just too lazy. But I think the focus should not be on his Oasis songs when he's performing with his new band and he doesn't need to change the setlist everyday. He's performing for the people that are attending his concert (who'll most likely won't visit another one on the same tour) and not for people online that are downloading every bootleg of every concert he is doing. He's also playing for himself too. I'd get bored playing the same songs each night, I'm surprised he doesn't. I think eventually it seems like he (and Oasis at the end) is just going through the motions with the odd special gig where he and the crowd are both up for it. If he freshened it up every now an then even if he just put in one or two gems for the hardcore fans I think he'd enjoy it himself more. Thing is there is nobody to push him to play something new like Andy did in Oasis with My Big Mouth. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Jan 10, 2016 11:37:33 GMT -5
This was written around that time too, so hardly surprising. The worst HFB song in my opinion I'd probably agree its one of the worst HFB songs but I still actually really like it. 7/10 for me. Which shows how strong the HFB catalogue has been so far. I'd much rather The Good Rebel have been on Heathen Chemistry over She Is Love, Songbird completly makes She Is Love redundant so it feels a bit pointless. I always think that She Is Love would have been better as a Songbird B-side. As someone else said it had only been 7/8 years since Noel/Oasis released Live Forever and DLBIA so it really is a bit embarassing. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Jan 10, 2016 11:39:53 GMT -5
I really like "Dream On" and I don't care what anyone says. Awesome track. Nice to hear a genuinely fun song from Noel. This was lacking in post 2000 Oasis. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 11:58:42 GMT -5
I guess my expectations on Noel are very low compared to most people on this forum. I'm just happy that he's still performing and releasing new music occasionally.
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Post by mossy on Jan 10, 2016 17:56:55 GMT -5
So Lock All The Doors is utter shit? Okay? I love it theres something about that first verse lyrics for me. She wore a star-shaped tambourine The prettiest girl I had ever seen Was standing lost and lonely on the shore I try to catch her every night Dancing on her own in the candlelight But I can't seem to reach her anymore it has a meaning to me maybe not to others but for me it does. Never really thought about this before but how exactly do you wear a tambourine!? |
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Post by carryusall on Jan 10, 2016 18:27:07 GMT -5
Dear Diary
Today I played 'The Mexican' for the first time in ages. Can't believe how underrated this tune is on here! Great little stonesy rocker with a real low-slung boogie feel to it. And I never thought I'd hear Noel write a line like 'They say that you need love/Just like a kid on crack'. What a genius line. People are saying it's stupid, but it's not. It's dumb, but it's not stupid. It's wilfully dumb, which means you couldn't write it unless you were clever. Which has always been a key component of great rock and roll songwriting (cf. Dylan, Reed, Zevon et al.) I reckon Matt Berninger could have snuck that line into any song on the EL VY record and all the reviews would have fawned over it.
Anyway, wahwahwahwahwahwahwahwahwahwah
Yours Sincerely
Carryusall
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 10, 2016 20:19:50 GMT -5
Soldier Boys and Jesus Freaks, The Good Rebel, I'd Pick You Every Time, and Alone on the Rope are just massively improved versions of Force of Nature, (Probably) All in the Mind, She Is Love, and The Cage, innit.
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Post by carlober on Jan 11, 2016 7:25:06 GMT -5
Hold that thought don't let me go, we can dance beneath the fireflies on an empty road.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 11, 2016 7:28:17 GMT -5
Hold that thought don't let me go, we can dance beneath the fireflies on an empty road. Beautiful song. |
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