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Post by PepsiNebula on Sept 21, 2024 22:43:33 GMT -5
Yeah different tastes, absolutely. but Noel used to write very sweet and soft songs without being too cheesy. the melodies in both those songs are kinda generic and could be written by anybody; They dont have that NG trademark . Nice melodies with a darker tone. A lot of Noel’s songs feel like they could be written by anyone., but they never are. He has a way of using familiar melodies and phrases, that’s why the songs go to the heart. I hear you though on he can take it too far. It reminds me of an essay I was reading by David Foster Wallace last night. He says artists can no longer produce completely sincere work with no irony because everyone is so jaded Well, occasionally they are.  Otherwise he wouldn't be paying other artists royalties. |
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Post by andymorris on Sept 22, 2024 1:36:05 GMT -5
Yeah different tastes, absolutely. but Noel used to write very sweet and soft songs without being too cheesy. the melodies in both those songs are kinda generic and could be written by anybody; They dont have that NG trademark . Nice melodies with a darker tone. A lot of Noel’s songs feel like they could be written by anyone., but they never are. He has a way of using familiar melodies and phrases, that’s why the songs go to the heart. I hear you though on he can take it too far. It reminds me of an essay I was reading by David Foster Wallace last night. He says artists can no longer produce completely sincere work with no irony because everyone is so jaded Early Noel's ballads were not that generic. Stuff like Take Me Away or Married with Children have a very unusual path that leads to the chorus, and of course lyrics, especially the latter. sad song has a rhythm that prevents it to be a sirupy ballad; Half the World Away and Talk Tonight dont have that "exploding chorus" that go in the higher range, they stay in the same range as the verses and of course the theme of the song makes it a bit raw. Rockin chair is produced and sung a way that dont make the song cheesy. All those songs have in common to be storyteller songs, on the edge between pop music and folk. Wonderwall is unique, being a "hip hop" ballad. Stand by Me doesn't ring as a generic ballad either with its twist and turn between the verse, then the unexpected middle 8 and the "calmer" chorus. the first one that could be "generic" is Dont go Away... but he stole that one hehe ! Then the folk side disappear slowly in his ballads: you go into Sunday Morning Call that is the first very generic ballad. Let There Be Love was worked enough to be almost not, but is kinda too. the duet kinda hides the genericness of it though. I suppose you can still do irony if you are an indie band though. I hope this comes back into the next Oasis record, coz noel's kinda lost that side of him in his songwriting. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 22, 2024 2:26:57 GMT -5
A lot of Noel’s songs feel like they could be written by anyone., but they never are. He has a way of using familiar melodies and phrases, that’s why the songs go to the heart. I hear you though on he can take it too far. It reminds me of an essay I was reading by David Foster Wallace last night. He says artists can no longer produce completely sincere work with no irony because everyone is so jaded Early Noel's ballads were not that generic. Stuff like Take Me Away or Married with Children have a very unusual path that leads to the chorus, and of course lyrics, especially the latter. sad song has a rhythm that prevents it to be a sirupy ballad; Half the World Away and Talk Tonight dont have that "exploding chorus" that go in the higher range, they stay in the same range as the verses and of course the theme of the song makes it a bit raw. Rockin chair is produced and sung a way that dont make the song cheesy. All those songs have in common to be storyteller songs, on the edge between pop music and folk. Wonderwall is unique, being a "hip hop" ballad. Stand by Me doesn't ring as a generic ballad either with its twist and turn between the verse, then the unexpected middle 8 and the "calmer" chorus. the first one that could be "generic" is Dont go Away... but he stole that one hehe ! Then the folk side disappear slowly in his ballads: you go into Sunday Morning Call that is the first very generic ballad. Let There Be Love was worked enough to be almost not, but is kinda too. the duet kinda hides the genericness of it though. I suppose you can still do irony if you are an indie band though. I hope this comes back into the next Oasis record, coz noel's kinda lost that side of him in his songwriting. He's written some great ballads for NGHFB tho Dead in The Water, Dead to The World, If I Had a Gun, even We're on Our Way Now I'd argue has a quite generic chorus but strong, moody verses, and there's some ironic, quirky stuff among the b-sides |
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Post by Firefly on Sept 22, 2024 11:45:56 GMT -5
Thought Wandering Star was meant to be a Christmas song?
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 22, 2024 11:49:27 GMT -5
A lot of Noel’s songs feel like they could be written by anyone., but they never are. He has a way of using familiar melodies and phrases, that’s why the songs go to the heart. I hear you though on he can take it too far. It reminds me of an essay I was reading by David Foster Wallace last night. He says artists can no longer produce completely sincere work with no irony because everyone is so jaded Early Noel's ballads were not that generic. Stuff like Take Me Away or Married with Children have a very unusual path that leads to the chorus, and of course lyrics, especially the latter. sad song has a rhythm that prevents it to be a sirupy ballad; Half the World Away and Talk Tonight dont have that "exploding chorus" that go in the higher range, they stay in the same range as the verses and of course the theme of the song makes it a bit raw. Rockin chair is produced and sung a way that dont make the song cheesy. All those songs have in common to be storyteller songs, on the edge between pop music and folk. Wonderwall is unique, being a "hip hop" ballad. Stand by Me doesn't ring as a generic ballad either with its twist and turn between the verse, then the unexpected middle 8 and the "calmer" chorus. the first one that could be "generic" is Dont go Away... but he stole that one hehe ! Then the folk side disappear slowly in his ballads: you go into Sunday Morning Call that is the first very generic ballad. Let There Be Love was worked enough to be almost not, but is kinda too. the duet kinda hides the genericness of it though. I suppose you can still do irony if you are an indie band though. I hope this comes back into the next Oasis record, coz noel's kinda lost that side of him in his songwriting. Great point about "Half the World Away" never bursting into a higher register. They're the small details which show the unique magic Noel had from '93-96 - pure emotion, freely expressed. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Sept 22, 2024 12:13:37 GMT -5
“I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free.”
— Michelangelo
Noel does the same with songs.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 23, 2024 0:59:35 GMT -5
Early Noel's ballads were not that generic. Stuff like Take Me Away or Married with Children have a very unusual path that leads to the chorus, and of course lyrics, especially the latter. sad song has a rhythm that prevents it to be a sirupy ballad; Half the World Away and Talk Tonight dont have that "exploding chorus" that go in the higher range, they stay in the same range as the verses and of course the theme of the song makes it a bit raw. Rockin chair is produced and sung a way that dont make the song cheesy. All those songs have in common to be storyteller songs, on the edge between pop music and folk. Wonderwall is unique, being a "hip hop" ballad. Stand by Me doesn't ring as a generic ballad either with its twist and turn between the verse, then the unexpected middle 8 and the "calmer" chorus. the first one that could be "generic" is Dont go Away... but he stole that one hehe ! Then the folk side disappear slowly in his ballads: you go into Sunday Morning Call that is the first very generic ballad. Let There Be Love was worked enough to be almost not, but is kinda too. the duet kinda hides the genericness of it though. I suppose you can still do irony if you are an indie band though. I hope this comes back into the next Oasis record, coz noel's kinda lost that side of him in his songwriting. Great point about "Half the World Away" never bursting into a higher register. They're the small details which show the unique magic Noel had from '93-96 - pure emotion, freely expressed. Yeah, i think this is because back then he didnt have the obsession of the "big chorus" for the masses yet; Those songs were written what, in a bedroom at his home, or in isolation during his lost days. Those usually are quieter songs where the chorus still follows the idea of the verses without wanting that "big" explosion. So you have to find a strong melody and not just go into Celine Dion mode. Of course Noel still has it in him. as someone said Dead in the Water belongs to the best of his "quiet" ballads. I'm more divided on Dead to the World; I enjoy it but that's it. |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Sept 23, 2024 13:51:35 GMT -5
Caught The Death of You and Me on the radio earlier so here's your quarterly NGHFB Top 10: Dead to the World Dead in the Water Alone on The Rope While the Song Remains the Same Flying on the Ground The Man Who Built the Moon Everybody's on the Run Riverman Think of a Number The Death of You and Me The Death of Cats and Me Flying on the Cat If Cats Is the Law I’d Pick Cats Every Time A Cat Is All I Need to Get By Cats Know We Can't Go Back The Cat Stuff While the Cat Remains the Same Cat on the Rope Cat in the Water God bless. |
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Post by Supersonic on Sept 23, 2024 14:48:44 GMT -5
Who Built The Moon is a brilliant album.
2017 is peak Noel
Will we ever find out what 1969 smells like?
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Post by Terrasolo on Sept 24, 2024 6:16:10 GMT -5
Typically I prefer the original versions of songs when compared to new or live version, so it’s not often that I find a live version that is better than an Oasis studio recording, but NGHFB iTunes Live version of “D’Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman?” Is my favorite version of that song.
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Post by Supersonic on Sept 24, 2024 14:16:36 GMT -5
Flying On The Ground is Noel’s best solo song.
And yes, I will die on this hill.
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Post by Marissa on Sept 24, 2024 14:45:30 GMT -5
I'm rewatching the International Magic gig again and honestly it's made me realise that I'd be really quite sad if the reunion meant the definitive end of NGHFB The first tour was very special; Great energy, still the "Oasis energy" and Noel giving it 200% Ive seen him twice in 2011 and the gigs were better than later days Oasis. After that it really went downhill i thought. The 2015 tour was kinda meh, going through the motions. WBTM tour was weird with that first part with new songs and that second part with classics. It never works for any artists. I didn't see him for CS but from the youtube video, it was kind of a bore. Overall I think he toured way too much from 2015. Hey, in fact, its about time he reformed Oasis. Gonna give him a bit of punch back. The 2011 gig I went to will live on in my memory forever - from the show itself to standing outside the venue after the show singing Oasis songs for hours and hours with a huge group of fans. Incredible. I did think the last show we saw of his last summer was one of the best since then, but nothing can compare. |
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Post by dadrocker on Sept 26, 2024 8:18:12 GMT -5
Flying On The Ground is Noel’s best solo song. And yes, I will die on this hill. It has that "magic" for sure. Not sure why he continually runs away from that and calls them "throwaways", but here we are. |
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Post by rkid95 on Oct 17, 2024 6:46:35 GMT -5
13 years since Noel's debut as a soloist, and to this day I still think it's the final Oasis album but without Liam.
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Post by shannee on Oct 17, 2024 13:36:05 GMT -5
If I can’t start my day with In a Little While whole day’s f-ed up
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Post by andymorris on Oct 30, 2024 4:22:19 GMT -5
Watched the Paris gig from this year on youtube, what a bore. Noel did not seem really into it. It was time to reform Oasis. The new songs are weak, weak weak.
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Post by Terrasolo on Oct 30, 2024 19:47:04 GMT -5
I'm really bummed that we may not get the defiant rock album that Noel wanted to do for HFBs, and I'm sad at the loss of the acoustic album too. Frankly, I'll miss the HFBs. But I don't think they are done. I think Oasis reform is a one off. IMO
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Post by herticalvorizon on Oct 30, 2024 22:55:03 GMT -5
I'm really bummed that we may not get the defiant rock album that Noel wanted to do for HFBs, and I'm sad at the loss of the acoustic album too. Frankly, I'll miss the HFBs. But I don't think they are done. I think Oasis reform is a one off. IMO I think they could spin it two ways, one they say this is the farewell we never got to do, or two they say we're back for good. The arguments for both are the same basically, Noel's divorce could mean Noel wanted cash so bring back Oasis but you could also argue he could easily sell the catalog and have the cash without having to reform, another argument is Noel and Liam are now in better terms but you could also argue the damage done in previous years far outweighs the possible reunion reconciliation, another argument is that Noel can still make his solo stuff as an outlet in the years Oasis is not touring or recording but you could argue that he will save his best stuff for whatever he thinks is best and this will inevitably cause problems either with the HFB or with Oasis. Personally, I think they are back for good or at least not a one-off, I think they will record new music and continue as one band going forward. I also think that they will milk the shit out of this reunion and going forward this will be the case. There's musical acts concerts and documentaries on streaming platforms all the time, and I believe Oasis will become a band that releases a lot of material going forward, live recordings, concerts, specials, box sets, out takes, you name it, they will do it. |
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Post by shadowcaster on Oct 31, 2024 9:43:39 GMT -5
Pretty Boy officially turns two years old today! Didn't exactly love it when it first came out but the live version redeemed it for me
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Post by Firefly on Oct 31, 2024 10:01:46 GMT -5
I'm really bummed that we may not get the defiant rock album that Noel wanted to do for HFBs, and I'm sad at the loss of the acoustic album too. Frankly, I'll miss the HFBs. But I don't think they are done. I think Oasis reform is a one off. IMO Don't worry you won't be bummed when it turns out the defiant rock album is the new Oasis album |
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Post by herticalvorizon on Oct 31, 2024 10:28:59 GMT -5
I'm not taking anything away from Noel, I'm as much of a fan as the next guy, but we shouldn't act as if we are being robbed of this great masterpiece because of the Oasis reunion, when we all very well know that Noel saying 'defiant rock album' means very little, all songwriters refer to their new piece of work as the best they've done. Noel has done this many times, BHN was the greatest thing ever, SOTSOG was the greatest ever, and so on.
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Post by Terrasolo on Oct 31, 2024 16:33:42 GMT -5
I'm really bummed that we may not get the defiant rock album that Noel wanted to do for HFBs, and I'm sad at the loss of the acoustic album too. Frankly, I'll miss the HFBs. But I don't think they are done. I think Oasis reform is a one off. IMO I think they could spin it two ways, one they say this is the farewell we never got to do, or two they say we're back for good. The arguments for both are the same basically, Noel's divorce could mean Noel wanted cash so bring back Oasis but you could also argue he could easily sell the catalog and have the cash without having to reform, another argument is Noel and Liam are now in better terms but you could also argue the damage done in previous years far outweighs the possible reunion reconciliation, another argument is that Noel can still make his solo stuff as an outlet in the years Oasis is not touring or recording but you could argue that he will save his best stuff for whatever he thinks is best and this will inevitably cause problems either with the HFB or with Oasis. Personally, I think they are back for good or at least not a one-off, I think they will record new music and continue as one band going forward. I also think that they will milk the shit out of this reunion and going forward this will be the case. There's musical acts concerts and documentaries on streaming platforms all the time, and I believe Oasis will become a band that releases a lot of material going forward, live recordings, concerts, specials, box sets, out takes, you name it, they will do it. I would be happy if they are back for good, or back for one more album, and a second tour for that album, but I can't say that I feel positive that it is anything more than this one reunion. Going by the recent rumors, which seem valid. I am happy to be proven wrong. Either way, I still lament the loss of NGHFBs if that is the case. |
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Post by Terrasolo on Oct 31, 2024 16:35:30 GMT -5
I'm really bummed that we may not get the defiant rock album that Noel wanted to do for HFBs, and I'm sad at the loss of the acoustic album too. Frankly, I'll miss the HFBs. But I don't think they are done. I think Oasis reform is a one off. IMO Don't worry you won't be bummed when it turns out the defiant rock album is the new Oasis album I will be. Oh, I'll be happy that we have a new Oasis album for sure, but I do not want to see the end of NGHFBs. If they continue on as Oasis only, then there won't be enough Noel Gallagher vocals for me. I love Liam, I do, but I also love Noel's voice, and I would be sad if we never got another HFBs album. |
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Post by Terrasolo on Oct 31, 2024 16:36:44 GMT -5
I'm not taking anything away from Noel, I'm as much of a fan as the next guy, but we shouldn't act as if we are being robbed of this great masterpiece because of the Oasis reunion, when we all very well know that Noel saying 'defiant rock album' means very little, all songwriters refer to their new piece of work as the best they've done. Noel has done this many times, BHN was the greatest thing ever, SOTSOG was the greatest ever, and so on. For me it's not the definition of the album, it's the loss of anymore NGHFBs albums. I love all of his albums, and while I'd be happy to have new Oasis albums, I still want more HFBs albums too. |
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Post by herticalvorizon on Oct 31, 2024 17:15:47 GMT -5
Maybe that was the compromise? Noel agrees to Oasis but is free to pursue and keep his band every 2-3 years for an album and a tour?
The only downside to that is that it probably wouldn't be a world tour. I know last time he was here it wasn't the most successful thing ever, but dammit I still enjoyed it!
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Otherwise he wouldn't be paying other artists royalties.
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