Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 9:27:34 GMT -5
I often read that "Shakermaker" was a bad choice for a single. Is it the case really ? After all, it peaked at #11 in the UK, and stayed more than 1 year in the charts. Not bad for the 2nd single of band signed on an independant label.
Ok, the song doesn't have the staying power of most other 90's Oasis singles, but I think it was not a bad choice at the time.
|
|
|
Post by The Escapist on Aug 11, 2020 10:35:30 GMT -5
I often read that "Shakermaker" was a bad choice for a single. Is it the case really ? After all, it peaked at #11 in the UK, and stayed more than 1 year in the charts. Not bad for the 2nd single of band signed on an independant label. Ok, the song doesn't have the staying power of most other 90's Oasis singles, but I think it was not a bad choice at the time. I'm listening to that tune now! Sunny day, sounds class on the speakers. I don't think it should have been a single with the likes of Slide Away around, but I like it a lot more than I used to. It's got a great lazy, surreal, bounce to it. It's a bit of an odd one between Rock 'n' Roll Star and Live Forever, but I like it. It's got a temporary pass onto my Definitely Maybe playlist, which is bigger than winning a Grammy.
|
|
|
Post by Bonehead's Barber on Aug 11, 2020 11:39:52 GMT -5
I often read that "Shakermaker" was a bad choice for a single. Is it the case really ? After all, it peaked at #11 in the UK, and stayed more than 1 year in the charts. Not bad for the 2nd single of band signed on an independant label. Ok, the song doesn't have the staying power of most other 90's Oasis singles, but I think it was not a bad choice at the time. Weakest song on the album, for me. Even more so than Digsy's Dinner. DD has a charm to it, whereas Shakermaker just doesn't do much for me.
|
|
|
Post by tiger40 on Aug 11, 2020 13:00:29 GMT -5
Digsy's Dinner is the worst song on Definitely Maybe for me followed by Shakermaker. Infact Digsy's Dinner must be one of Oasis's worst songs.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 13:21:47 GMT -5
Digsy's Dinner is the worst song on Definitely Maybe for me followed by Shakermaker. Infact Digsy's Dinner must be one of Oasis's worst songs. It has a lovely melody. Call me crazy but I way prefer "Digsy's Dinner" over any song of HC, even the singles. Every song from Definitely Maybe is great/has its charms, that's why the album is a masterpiece.
|
|
|
Post by tiger40 on Aug 11, 2020 13:35:16 GMT -5
We're all different and to be honest I don't get the hate for Heathen Chemistry as I do like that album. Ok Force Of Nature let's it down a bit & She Is Love is crap but I think it does have some good tracks on it. And, I still like The Hindu Times, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Little By Little & Songbird. They're all good singles & I don't hate the rest of the tracks which I know many people do. The album itself my not be as good as say Don't Believe The Truth for example but I do enjoy it whenever I listen to it.
|
|
|
Post by defmaybe00 on Aug 11, 2020 13:55:30 GMT -5
I love Digsy's Dinner, a fun song to calm things down before a proper heavyweight like Slide Away and then the haunting finish with Married With Children
|
|
|
Post by GlastoEls on Aug 11, 2020 14:34:40 GMT -5
I love Digsy's Dinner, a fun song to calm things down before a proper heavyweight like Slide Away and then the haunting finish with Married With Children Exactly this. It’s the palate cleanser between the anger of Cigs and the sheer .. scope of Slide Away.
|
|
|
Post by The Crimson Rambler on Aug 11, 2020 15:12:08 GMT -5
I often read that "Shakermaker" was a bad choice for a single. Is it the case really ? After all, it peaked at #11 in the UK, and stayed more than 1 year in the charts. Not bad for the 2nd single of band signed on an independant label. Ok, the song doesn't have the staying power of most other 90's Oasis singles, but I think it was not a bad choice at the time. A nice quote from Noel about it (from 1999): McGee's totally right too. Shakermaker (and Digsy's Dinner) adds bags of character to Definitely Maybe. Great song.
|
|
|
Post by girllikeabomb on Aug 12, 2020 2:03:14 GMT -5
Rest in Peace to singer, guitarist and actor Trini Lopez whose Gibson namesake guitar was played at various points by Noel, Andy and Gem. Died today at 83 of Covid -19 in California.
|
|
|
Post by underneaththesky on Aug 12, 2020 3:37:51 GMT -5
We're all different and to be honest I don't get the hate for Heathen Chemistry as I do like that album. Ok Force Of Nature let's it down a bit & She Is Love is crap but I think it does have some good tracks on it. And, I still like The Hindu Times, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Little By Little & Songbird. They're all good singles & I don't hate the rest of the tracks which I know many people do. The album itself my not be as good as say Don't Believe The Truth for example but I do enjoy it whenever I listen to it. it's a mega tune. just like Help. play it slow on a Sunny Day and the chords and the melody are absolutely perfect (to me)
|
|
|
Post by defmaybe00 on Aug 12, 2020 5:46:24 GMT -5
All Around The World is mental and incredibly pretentious but still a tune, gets too much hate
|
|
|
Post by The Escapist on Aug 12, 2020 6:13:19 GMT -5
You don't realise until you get a sore throat how much time you spend singing Oasis songs out loud.
My Big Mouth is a killer!
|
|
|
Post by Aman on Aug 12, 2020 6:24:39 GMT -5
You don't realise until you get a sore throat how much time you spend singing Oasis songs out loud. My Big Mouth is a killer! For me more so in my head. Mad how many times I sing their lyrics in my mind lol.
|
|
|
Post by redvers on Aug 12, 2020 7:33:30 GMT -5
Where is this video sourced from? Never saw the Wonderwall peformance from the 1st nigth of them at Knebworth.
Wow, Liam holding the notes in the chorus. Don't think I've ever heard him do that properly live.
|
|
|
Post by defmaybe00 on Aug 12, 2020 8:43:00 GMT -5
This is just it
|
|
|
Post by Bonehead's Barber on Aug 12, 2020 11:05:52 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I think Wonderwall might be Oasis' best tune. The more I think about it, the more I think Slide Away might be Oasis' best tune. The more I think about it, the more I think Don't Go Away might be Oasis' best tune.
|
|
|
Post by tiger40 on Aug 12, 2020 13:24:26 GMT -5
All Around The World is mental and incredibly pretentious but still a tune, gets too much hate All Around The World is ok but it goes on for far too long for me. If it had been shorter it would have been much better I think.
|
|
|
Post by World71R on Aug 12, 2020 18:36:51 GMT -5
All Around The World is mental and incredibly pretentious but still a tune, gets too much hate All Around The World is ok but it goes on for far too long for me. If it had been shorter it would have been much better I think. See, I say that too, but then there's times like today where I listened to it all the way through and thought, "Wait, that was 9 minutes and some second long? It didn't feel like it." I think it works in full like that on the album but as a single, it would've been better trimmed down rather than the 9 minute behemoth that it is. I also wish that Liam didn't have those "Na na na na"s over top of some of the tasty guitar playing Noel has, especially when the song is about to change keys for the second time.
|
|
|
Post by Headmaster on Aug 12, 2020 20:00:59 GMT -5
All that madness on All Around the World is part of its charm, they just let themlseves go, and above all it all sounds very natural and honest, it does not sound forced out, the band just keep playing like nothing else matters, it says a lot about the album too.
Also I love the la la la part at the end, each brother sings in its own style and it is very effective.
Noel: laaaa laaaa laaaa... Liam: lalalala lalalala...
|
|
|
Post by World71R on Aug 12, 2020 21:06:37 GMT -5
All that madness on All Around the World is part of its charm, they just let themlseves go, and above all it all sounds very natural and honest, it does not sound forced out, the band just keep playing like nothing else matters, it says a lot about the album too. Also I love the la la la part at the end, each brother sings in its own style and it is very effective. Noel: laaaa laaaa laaaa... Liam: lalalala lalalala... The "La la la la"s after the final key change's chorus always get me. They sound light and air-y and ethereal to where it caps off the whole journey you've been on. The one gripe I do have is that I wish they would've cut out Liam's "Na na na na"s from when the song is going through the second key change, but otherwise yes. AATW is a brilliant song that almost stands as a flawed masterpiece that us fans can enjoy.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 23:00:13 GMT -5
I think All Around The World is a good song but it seems like only us fans can appreciate it while others dismiss it as total shite. I think the biggest problem is that it's a catchy pop song that doesn't really need to be 9 minutes long. I often read people call it a "piss poor Hey Jude" which is unfair to me but what can you do.
|
|
|
Post by The Crimson Rambler on Aug 13, 2020 3:35:22 GMT -5
Anyone ever listened to It’s Gettin’ Better (Man!!) and My Big Mouth on a decent pair of headphones? Honestly - they’re a disgrace. Imagine the kind of money and resources that must have been available to the band after (WTS)MG? and getting results like that. My Big Mouth is just one big block of mush front to back. The wall of guitars idea, though spectacular in its audacity, fails completely in execution. All the layers simply cancel one another out and produce this highly compressed vat of distorted mud. Not only this but the guitars permeate the mix so completely that they vaporise every other element of the song. The pair of these songs sound like they’re being filtered through 120p Youtube videos. And the drums! The drums! Bloody hell. Listen to the drums on the back end of It’s Gettin’ Better (Man!!). Where the hell did they go? Every new layer added to the mix just results in all the others getting quieter. That’s what happens when you brick-wall the shit out of everything. If you don’t give yourself any head room there’s just nowhere else to go. As far as I’m concerned this is indefensible stuff from Owen and Noel and they sure as hell know it.
|
|
|
Post by The Escapist on Aug 13, 2020 4:12:14 GMT -5
Anyone ever listened to It’s Gettin’ Better (Man!!) and My Big Mouth on a decent pair of headphones? Honestly - they’re a disgrace. Imagine the kind of money and resources that must have been available to the band after (WTS)MG? and getting results like that. My Big Mouth is just one big block of mush front to back. The wall of guitars idea, though spectacular in its audacity, fails completely in execution. All the layers simply cancel one another out and produce this highly compressed vat of distorted mud. Not only this but the guitars permeate the mix so completely that they vaporise every other element of the song. The pair of these songs sound like they’re being filtered through 120p Youtube videos. And the drums! The drums! Bloody hell. Listen to the drums on the back end of It’s Gettin’ Better (Man!!). Where the hell did they go? Every new layer added to the mix just results in all the others getting quieter. That’s what happens when you brick-wall the shit out of everything. If you don’t give yourself any head room there’s just nowhere else to go. As far as I’m concerned this is indefensible stuff from Owen and Noel and they sure as hell know it. The production on My Big Mouth actually makes the song less raucous, to me. I particularly dislike how the bridge is every bit as loud as the rest of the song. One of the biggest problems with Be Here Now in general is the lack of dynamics - the songs start loud, carry on being loud in the middle, and finish up loud, too. I know that sounds rocking, but there are so many great dynamics on the first two albums. Take Live Forever, with all it's peaks and valleys, all building up to that humongous ending. None of that on Be Here Now. If the bridge of My Big Mouth had been lighter, more spacey, letting those twinkling guitars shine, then the chorus hitting back with all those thunderous riffs slamming in your ears would be a real adrenaline rush. But it just goes LOUD to LOUD to LOUD, so it doesn't feel like anything has been built to, it's just a constant, droning distorted noise. Still, good tune.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 4:33:45 GMT -5
Yeah that's one of the biggest flaws of BHN. No dynamics. The thing is Owen was as much on coke as anyone from the band, if not more so. But when you look at his production on the first two albums, it's a big part of the success of these records. Listen to "Wonderwall", the production is fantastic, it's an acoustic romantic ballad but somewhat Morris makes it quite abrasive.
I think they made mistakes on BHN because they became too big, too soon. IIRC, McGee expected "Definitely Maybe" to sell 500 000 copies worldwide. Great numbers, don't get me wrong, but nowhere near what happened. When you go from that to playing two nights at Knebworth in two years, you can only go insane.
|
|