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Post by World71R on Jul 15, 2020 18:12:47 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry is a deplorable, despicable, abomination of a record. Shit songs, shit production and 7 of my 10 least favourite Oasis album tracks on 1 disk, Each to their own but apart from Songbird and Born on a Different Cloud id happily never listen to any of those songs again It's not too bad, but the production is really drab and the songs often aren't there. The Hindu Times, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, and Songbird are the obvious standouts. I love how THT is built around that riff because it's so atypical for Oasis (aside from maybe Up in the Sky), SCYHO is just a banger, and Songbird is a pretty little ditty. Little by Little is a good taster for the album and is good in general, Born on a Different Cloud is definitely a grower but it arrives once you start to get the song. Hung in a Bad Place is a good rocker, Force of Nature isn't too bad (needs better production and a second verse), She is Love is well-produced, Better Man has some good ideas but the repetition ruins it. Probably All in the Mind is the really egregious song on the album. It's a Noel-penned song that sounds so bland and goes absolutely nowhere, even with Johnny-fucking-Marr on it. I think it's Oasis's worst song, to be honest (Fun fact: I actually fell asleep at around A Quick Peep and this song during the first time I listened to Heathen Chemistry). It's an alright but the production just feels so lifeless. Thankfully, the live gigs from this era are pretty good (especially the Finsbury gig) so these songs get the chance to shine more.
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 15, 2020 20:24:47 GMT -5
Lazy production, lazy guitars, lazy lyrics, lazy vocals, lack of energy, that is HC, no wonder the slow tempo/ballads are the songs which worked better.
HC for me just Songbird, SCYHO and BOADC.
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Post by oasisgoletitout on Jul 15, 2020 21:25:16 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry is a deplorable, despicable, abomination of a record. Shit songs, shit production and 7 of my 10 least favourite Oasis album tracks on 1 disk, Each to their own but apart from Songbird and Born on a Different Cloud id happily never listen to any of those songs again It's not too bad, but the production is really drab and the songs often aren't there. The Hindu Times, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, and Songbird are the obvious standouts. I love how THT is built around that riff because it's so atypical for Oasis (aside from maybe Up in the Sky), SCYHO is just a banger, and Songbird is a pretty little ditty. Little by Little is a good taster for the album and is good in general, Born on a Different Cloud is definitely a grower but it arrives once you start to get the song. Hung in a Bad Place is a good rocker, Force of Nature isn't too bad (needs better production and a second verse), She is Love is well-produced, Better Man has some good ideas but the repetition ruins it. Probably All in the Mind is the really egregious song on the album. It's a Noel-penned song that sounds so bland and goes absolutely nowhere, even with Johnny-fucking-Marr on it. I think it's Oasis's worst song, to be honest (Fun fact: I actually fell asleep at around A Quick Peep and this song during the first time I listened to Heathen Chemistry). It's an alright but the production just feels so lifeless. Thankfully, the live gigs from this era are pretty good (especially the Finsbury gig) so these songs get the chance to shine more. This is pretty much how I feel about HC as well. A very well written synopsis of the album in my opinion. Mostly good songs with bad production that came to life a lot during the 2002 tour.
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Post by morning_rain on Jul 16, 2020 3:35:44 GMT -5
I was reading the DBTT wikipedia page and found this:
In 2008, Don't Believe the Truth was voted the 14th best British album of all time by a poll conducted by Q Magazine and HMV
I love that album, but...
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Post by freek on Jul 16, 2020 5:43:47 GMT -5
I was reading the DBTT wikipedia page and found this: In 2008, Don't Believe the Truth was voted the 14th best British album of all time by a poll conducted by Q Magazine and HMVI love that album, but... Yeah, Nice list, dominated by oasis, probably backed by their fanclub. MG and DM in the top 5 or so? And BHN at 22. Brilliant!
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Post by freek on Jul 16, 2020 5:47:05 GMT -5
Does anyone think that there's a chance on an extended re-issue of The Masterplan with the post-2000 b-sides on a second disc anytime soon? Maybe as a 25th anniversary edition?
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Post by beentherenow on Jul 16, 2020 9:55:32 GMT -5
Opinions are what music is all about. If everyone liked the same things it’d be fucking boring. For me I sum Heathen Chemistry as the below
The Hindu Times- As generic an Oasis song as humanly possible only this time they’ve ripped off the Stereophonics and built an entire song around it
Force of Nature- Oh fucking dear! What is this meant to be? Noel vocals are appalling, the sort of stompy groove makes me think they were going for a glam rock vibe but it’s almost irredeemable, woeful stuff
Hung in a Bad Place- Sounds like No Way Sis or Definitely Might Be had tried to write their own Oasis material. Yawn
Stop Crying Your Heart Out- Yeah it’s alright but borrows quite a bit melody wise from the far superior Slide Away. Also verses drag a bit
Songbird- Really like it. Nice 2 minute summer pop song
Little By Little- Better live but on the album is lifeless. Also Noel knew he had a half decent chorus and couldn’t be arsed doing anything with the verses
A Quick Peep- Eh?
(Probably) All in the Mind- What the fuck is this meant to be?! I can’t believe Noel wrote this derivative pseudo-psychedelic bollocks. Sounds horrible, horrible vocal, truly horrible song
She is Love- Even worse than the song before it. Oh I hate this song, I mean truly hate it. My least favourite Oasis song by some distance. I hate it’s sickly Clinton’s card lyrics, stupid cheesy electric guitar bits, the melody is wank, the tune is truly shit.
Born on a Different Cloud- Really love this song. Might be in my top 25 Oasis songs. With some SOTSOG style production and an ending more like the live version this could have been top 10 material. Great effort by Liam
Better Man- See Hung in a Bad Place except the outro is alright on this one
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 12:19:20 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry isn't as awful as people make it to be but yes, it's a very poor record for Oasis. Poor songwriting, poor production, poor everything. The album sounds like they were trying to make a cross between Definitely Maybe/(What's The Story) Morning Glory? but it fails at that. First because what's the point in trying to create the youthful mood of your early records when you're past 30 ? That was actually the best time for Oasis to experiment and try new things. But they preferred the safe road. Like beentherenow, I save Songbird and Born On A Different Cloud, two very nice efforts from Liam.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 18, 2020 12:19:28 GMT -5
Noel’s 1994-1996 teeth still frighten me.
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Post by scyhopath on Jul 18, 2020 13:21:50 GMT -5
Noel’s 1994-1996 teeth still frighten me. Your post reminded me of this classic Noel photograph.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 18, 2020 14:51:28 GMT -5
Noel’s 1994-1996 teeth still frighten me. Your post reminded me of this classic Noel photograph. Looks like Noel on the day of MTV Unplugged.
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Post by darmin on Jul 19, 2020 13:53:01 GMT -5
So anybody watched that Rockfield documentary? Anything new or interesting?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 14:57:21 GMT -5
I saw that Heathen Chemistry is the 3rd most listened Oasis album on last fm. More listeners than Be Here Now. Surprising.
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Post by standbymoi on Jul 19, 2020 15:35:55 GMT -5
So anybody watched that Rockfield documentary? Anything new or interesting? Yeah Liam and Bonehead sat together telling stories. Liam being brutally open as usual, saying he was more into the pub as he got bored easily with him not playing an instrument when hanging around after doing his vocals. Also how he wanted Noel to come join him in the pub and entertain him. He was pretty funny as usual, taking the piss out of today’s recording techniques where his drummer emails him the drum track. In comparison to the good old days where they lived and recorded on a farm together. ’It was like being in the Big Brother house but with Tunes’ was a good quote
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 15:48:10 GMT -5
So anybody watched that Rockfield documentary? Anything new or interesting? It was very interesting and funny, I really enjoyed it.
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Post by Flashbax on Jul 19, 2020 16:16:07 GMT -5
Giants is such a great album. Stands miles above the 3 albums that came after it. It's their best sounding album too. I mean, what were they trying to do with HC and DBTT?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 19, 2020 22:01:41 GMT -5
Giants is such a great album. Stands miles above the 3 albums that came after it. It's their best sounding album too. I mean, what were they trying to do with HC and DBTT? It is a great headphones album. Lots of stuff going on all over the place. It broke my heart when Heathen Chemistry leaked and it was clear Noel was in full on retreat mode.
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Post by oasisgoletitout on Jul 20, 2020 0:36:14 GMT -5
I saw that Heathen Chemistry is the 3rd most listened Oasis album on last fm. More listeners than Be Here Now. Surprising. Now this is wonderful to hear. About time HC got the love it deserved.
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Post by oasisgoletitout on Jul 20, 2020 0:37:26 GMT -5
Anybody else gonna watch Wembley 2000 on its twentieth anniversary coming up?
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Post by darmin on Jul 20, 2020 1:03:21 GMT -5
So anybody watched that Rockfield documentary? Anything new or interesting? Yeah Liam and Bonehead sat together telling stories. Liam being brutally open as usual, saying he was more into the pub as he got bored easily with him not playing an instrument when hanging around after doing his vocals. Also how he wanted Noel to come join him in the pub and entertain him. He was pretty funny as usual, taking the piss out of today’s recording techniques where his drummer emails him the drum track. In comparison to the good old days where they lived and recorded on a farm together. ’It was like being in the Big Brother house but with Tunes’ was a good quote Thanks! Then I gonna watch it
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 20, 2020 8:51:11 GMT -5
Oasis makes everything better. Oasis never lets me down. (Except on July 1st, 2002 - if you know, you know).
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 20, 2020 10:01:53 GMT -5
Giants is such a great album. Stands miles above the 3 albums that came after it. It's their best sounding album too. I mean, what were they trying to do with HC and DBTT? Think DOYS is pretty good too tbh, they both are a couple tunes short of being great and probably missed a *big* single Standing though has some of my favourite Oasis tunes (Gas Panic and WDIAGW would be both in my top 20), some very nice basslines and some of Noel's darkest and most personal lyrics, which you don't always get with him
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 15:57:21 GMT -5
Noel talking about Rockfield: www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/times2/rockfield-how-a-welsh-pig-farm-changed-the-history-of-rocknroll-tvhzqvqr7“After all the stories I’d heard about the place, I was expecting something more cathedral-like,” says Noel Gallagher, who made the second Oasis album (What’s the Story) Morning Glory? at Rockfield over two weeks in 1995. “Then you get here and you see dead wasps on the window sill. But when you are at the right age, living in a studio in the countryside with booze everywhere . . . once you’ve sorted out where to get the drugs, what could be better?” "During our tour of the grounds, Kingsley points out the wall where Noel Gallagher sat with an acoustic guitar and recorded Wonderwall with a chorus of birds as his backing vocalists. Near by is a patch of lawn where Noel and Liam Gallagher, halfway through the recording of (What’s the Story) Morning Glory?, had a legendary fight that involved cricket bats and air rifles, and ended with Liam chucking a dustbin at the car Noel was escaping back to London in. There was also £800 worth of damage to pay for, but according to Kingsley, “We couldn’t care less. We’d had Iggy Pop, the Damned and Black Sabbath, and Oasis were good as gold really. Besides, the album sold 17 million copies. That’s not bad, is it?” Oasis’s long and raucous relationship with the place began in late 1993, when they did early, aborted sessions for their debut album, Definitely Maybe, at Monnow Valley. Liam, knowing the Stone Roses were recording at Rockfield, stole a combine harvester and drove over the hill to take a peek at what they were up to. When it came time to record their second album, Oasis were heading towards being the biggest band of the 1990s and Noel knew that Rockfield had to be a part of the record’s story." “Did Rockfield contribute to the sound of (What’s the Story), Morning Glory?? I don’t think it did. Did it contribute to the vibe? It absolutely f***ing did,” he says. “Technically it’s not the greatest studio in the world, but there must be something in the atmosphere that makes all these great records. And apart from the fight in the middle the whole thing was quite easy. Who makes an album in 12 days now?” That fight began when Noel, working late one night on Don’t Look Back in Anger with the producer Owen Morris, saw a stranger wandering about the studio. It turned out that Liam had returned from the pub and decided to bring the party back with him. “I was in that studio to work, not to f*** about,” Noel says. “Drinking can wait. You’re trying to follow up Definitely Maybe, you’ve just written Champagne Supernova and Wonderwall, and you can feel it, you know it’s your time, this is important. Then Liam brought back a load of f***ing idiots from the pub and they’re wandering around, fiddling with guitars and listening to songs nobody had heard yet. I said to Liam, ‘Get these idiots out of here.’ Of course he wouldn’t, so chaos ensued.” "As for recording Wonderwall on the wall, it was an idea that Noel had one afternoon, “Probably coked up. I remember looking out at this row of sheep. They were staring blankly at me while I was singing and they didn’t look very impressed. It certainly prepared me for audiences in America.” “Record companies don’t want to sign bands any more. They want singer-songwriters because they’re easier to manipulate,” Noel Gallagher says. “If you put the biggest star in the world in Rockfield today, they’d go, ‘This is freaking me out. I want to go home. There’s no Deliveroo.’ ”
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Post by medievalrichard on Jul 20, 2020 16:18:42 GMT -5
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Post by scyhopath on Jul 21, 2020 3:30:04 GMT -5
Tony McCarroll was the only drummer that played "Columbia" the right way.
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