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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 7, 2016 8:00:01 GMT -5
Agree with Samuel L. Jackson - those lightsaber fights were neither very well choreographed nor particularly well directed by JJ. Never felt that any of the characters were in any particular danger - even when Finn got hit, I wasn't particularly bothered by it. Quite frankly, I think they disrupted the tempo of the movie tbh, I couldn't wait to get them other with and get back up in the air, to see what Poe and all the rest were doing. Complete opposite reaction. I'd rather see a fight like that instead of the over choreographed dance the prequels had. One-two-three.......JUMP........one-two-three..........HIT..............one-two-three........SPIN.........................One-two-three................FLIP!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 7, 2016 8:00:36 GMT -5
I'm going to see The Force Awakens a second time this morning. Can't wait.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 7, 2016 16:03:53 GMT -5
Just got back from my 2nd viewing. Really enjoyed it. Kept me excited and highly entertained besides the obvious plot holes and shoddy editing in certain sequences, mainly Maz's castle.
On 2nd viewing i noticed huge time jumps for certain characters. For example, Kylo goes from watching the first order blow up the Hosian System on a Star Destroyer (while Han, Rey, Finn and Maz watch this same event at the Castle) to then being in that forest outside the castle capturing Rey. Amazing time jump for Kylo. Next I realized that after Kylo kills Han on that bridge, he sees Rey and Finn run off into the woods. Somehow Kylo got off that bridge, climbed that huge ass ladder, and got ahead of them in the snow forest. All within minutes. You go Kylo you go!
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 7, 2016 17:29:55 GMT -5
Just got back from my 2nd viewing. Really enjoyed it. Kept me excited and highly entertained besides the obvious plot holes and shoddy editing in certain sequences, mainly Maz's castle. On 2nd viewing i noticed huge time jumps for certain characters. For example, Kylo goes from watching the first order blow up the Hosian System on a Star Destroyer (while Han, Rey, Finn and Maz watch this same event at the Castle) to then being in that forest outside the castle capturing Rey. Amazing time jump for Kylo. Next I realized that after Kylo kills Han on that bridge, he sees Rey and Finn run off into the woods. Somehow Kylo got off that bridge, climbed that huge ass ladder, and got ahead of them in the snow forest. All within minutes. You go Kylo you go! He takes the cruiser down afterwards. There is the whole xwing battle in between so there is time. It bugged me that he got ahead of Rey and Finn in the forrest. I don't know if he had to climb down the ladder too there might have been another way out but I dont think he should be ahead of him.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 7, 2016 17:33:20 GMT -5
Just got back from my 2nd viewing. Really enjoyed it. Kept me excited and highly entertained besides the obvious plot holes and shoddy editing in certain sequences, mainly Maz's castle. On 2nd viewing i noticed huge time jumps for certain characters. For example, Kylo goes from watching the first order blow up the Hosian System on a Star Destroyer (while Han, Rey, Finn and Maz watch this same event at the Castle) to then being in that forest outside the castle capturing Rey. Amazing time jump for Kylo. Next I realized that after Kylo kills Han on that bridge, he sees Rey and Finn run off into the woods. Somehow Kylo got off that bridge, climbed that huge ass ladder, and got ahead of them in the snow forest. All within minutes. You go Kylo you go! He takes the cruiser down afterwards. There is the whole xwing battle in between so there is time. It bugged me that he got ahead of Rey and Finn in the forrest. I don't know if he had to climb down the ladder too there might have been another way out but I dont think he should be ahead of him. Problem is Kylo watched Starkiller fire from his Star Destroyer orbiting the ice planet. How did he then get to Maz's planet and in the forest so quickly. All those characters watched those planets blowup in real time together. Only minutes passed from that happening and Rey running into the woods. Where Kylo would soon be. Minor flaw but makes you wonder.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jan 7, 2016 17:55:22 GMT -5
He takes the cruiser down afterwards. There is the whole xwing battle in between so there is time. It bugged me that he got ahead of Rey and Finn in the forrest. I don't know if he had to climb down the ladder too there might have been another way out but I dont think he should be ahead of him. Problem is Kylo watched Starkiller fire from his Star Destroyer orbiting the ice planet. How did he then get to Maz's planet and in the forest so quickly. All those characters watched those planets blowup in real time together. Only minutes passed from that happening and Rey running into the woods. Where Kylo would soon be. Minor flaw but makes you wonder. Apparently, about 40 minutes got cut from the first "finished" draft. That probably happens in all movies, but i think that's why some of the timing doesn't seem right, or like things are missing.
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 7, 2016 18:33:02 GMT -5
He takes the cruiser down afterwards. There is the whole xwing battle in between so there is time. It bugged me that he got ahead of Rey and Finn in the forrest. I don't know if he had to climb down the ladder too there might have been another way out but I dont think he should be ahead of him. Problem is Kylo watched Starkiller fire from his Star Destroyer orbiting the ice planet. How did he then get to Maz's planet and in the forest so quickly. All those characters watched those planets blowup in real time together. Only minutes passed from that happening and Rey running into the woods. Where Kylo would soon be. Minor flaw but makes you wonder. Hyperspace
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 8, 2016 12:59:52 GMT -5
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 10, 2016 5:30:19 GMT -5
The stormtrooper Daniel Craig plays is apparently called DB-007. That's pretty awesome.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 10, 2016 6:40:36 GMT -5
Agree with Samuel L. Jackson - those lightsaber fights were neither very well choreographed nor particularly well directed by JJ. Never felt that any of the characters were in any particular danger - even when Finn got hit, I wasn't particularly bothered by it. Quite frankly, I think they disrupted the tempo of the movie tbh, I couldn't wait to get them other with and get back up in the air, to see what Poe and all the rest were doing. That's a little unfair, we know that Rey & Finn are the main characters of this trilogy and Kylo the main antagonist - of course they're not in "real danger" in movie 1 of 3. That being said, Kylo and Finn get hurt pretty badly.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 10, 2016 7:08:40 GMT -5
Agree with Samuel L. Jackson - those lightsaber fights were neither very well choreographed nor particularly well directed by JJ. Never felt that any of the characters were in any particular danger - even when Finn got hit, I wasn't particularly bothered by it. Quite frankly, I think they disrupted the tempo of the movie tbh, I couldn't wait to get them other with and get back up in the air, to see what Poe and all the rest were doing. That's a little unfair, we know that Rey & Finn are the main characters of this trilogy and Kylo the main antagonist - of course they're not in "real danger" in movie 1 of 3. That being said, Kylo and Finn get hurt pretty badly. Yeah, it probably was a touch. I went to see the film for a third time on Friday, and the lightsaber scenes were better than I remembered them being - the choreography was not actually that bad. I feel awful for saying it, but I think why it felt a little flat for me is all to do with Williams's score - honestly, barring "Rey's Theme," there isn't a single thing on that score that is at all memorable.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 10, 2016 7:24:04 GMT -5
Agree with Samuel L. Jackson - those lightsaber fights were neither very well choreographed nor particularly well directed by JJ. Never felt that any of the characters were in any particular danger - even when Finn got hit, I wasn't particularly bothered by it. Quite frankly, I think they disrupted the tempo of the movie tbh, I couldn't wait to get them other with and get back up in the air, to see what Poe and all the rest were doing. Complete opposite reaction. I'd rather see a fight like that instead of the over choreographed dance the prequels had. I never said the lightsaber battles in the prequels were all that either - your constant need to knock the prequels has made you jump the gun there. I only said that they felt flat as sequences in the movie. They weren't, for instance, a touch on Luke's fights at the end of Empire and Jedi, which felt like climatic moments of their respective films. There were times where I felt like they were just treading water - i.e. the bit where Kylo has Rey by the edge of hill, and they just stand there for about a minute with their sabers locked together (no doubt so they can have another "Hey, Rey, do you know you're force sensitive" moment and get Williams out of the shit by digging up one of his old scores and shoving it in there)
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 10, 2016 8:31:18 GMT -5
That's a little unfair, we know that Rey & Finn are the main characters of this trilogy and Kylo the main antagonist - of course they're not in "real danger" in movie 1 of 3. That being said, Kylo and Finn get hurt pretty badly. Yeah, it probably was a touch. I went to see the film for a third time on Friday, and the lightsaber scenes were better than I remembered them being - the choreography was not actually that bad. I feel awful for saying it, but I think why it felt a little flat for me is all to do with Williams's score - honestly, barring "Rey's Theme," there isn't a single thing on that score that is at all memorable. Torn Apart and Jedi Steps are great.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 10, 2016 9:05:05 GMT -5
That's a little unfair, we know that Rey & Finn are the main characters of this trilogy and Kylo the main antagonist - of course they're not in "real danger" in movie 1 of 3. That being said, Kylo and Finn get hurt pretty badly. Yeah, it probably was a touch. I went to see the film for a third time on Friday, and the lightsaber scenes were better than I remembered them being - the choreography was not actually that bad. I feel awful for saying it, but I think why it felt a little flat for me is all to do with Williams's score - honestly, barring "Rey's Theme," there isn't a single thing on that score that is at all memorable. I love Episode 7, but I'm totally with you there. I mean, with all the hate Episode 1 gets, Duel of the Fates might be the single best piece of SW music - 7 had practically nothing memorable, bar the occasional reuse of the classics.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 10, 2016 9:16:46 GMT -5
Yeah, it probably was a touch. I went to see the film for a third time on Friday, and the lightsaber scenes were better than I remembered them being - the choreography was not actually that bad. I feel awful for saying it, but I think why it felt a little flat for me is all to do with Williams's score - honestly, barring "Rey's Theme," there isn't a single thing on that score that is at all memorable. I love Episode 7, but I'm totally with you there. I mean, with all the hate Episode 1 gets, Duel of the Fates might be the single best piece of SW music - 7 had practically nothing memorable, bar the occasional reuse of the classics. I'll take the better movie over the "better" score. Don't sleep on Rey's Theme, Torn Apart or Jedi Steps.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 10, 2016 9:53:28 GMT -5
Yeah, it probably was a touch. I went to see the film for a third time on Friday, and the lightsaber scenes were better than I remembered them being - the choreography was not actually that bad. I feel awful for saying it, but I think why it felt a little flat for me is all to do with Williams's score - honestly, barring "Rey's Theme," there isn't a single thing on that score that is at all memorable. I love Episode 7, but I'm totally with you there. I mean, with all the hate Episode 1 gets, Duel of the Fates might be the single best piece of SW music - 7 had practically nothing memorable, bar the occasional reuse of the classics. Not to mention these two, which does more to convey the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker than anything George Lucas wrote from 1997 to 2004.
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 10, 2016 10:47:33 GMT -5
Snoke is Vader.
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Jan 10, 2016 10:49:49 GMT -5
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 10, 2016 10:51:09 GMT -5
terminator tried to go down a different route while keeping stuff from the great movies and people shat all over that, that film really wasnt that bad, it felt like a terminator movie but tried to be orginal to a certian degree, it couldve been a lot better but overall it was nicely done imo but that new trilogy has been cancelled due to lack of success. in relation to star wars, theres not much they can do, if they tried to do something new people likely wouldve moaned about it not feeling like star wars and the nostalgia sales, people bascially wanted a continuation of lukes story etc, a completely new set of characters wouldnt have been half as interesting as seeing all the old crew back. Dont be surprised if they make another Terminator. It didn't too great in the US but it still made almost half a billion worldwide.
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 10, 2016 11:08:31 GMT -5
Complete opposite reaction. I'd rather see a fight like that instead of the over choreographed dance the prequels had. I never said the lightsaber battles in the prequels were all that either - your constant need to knock the prequels has made you jump the gun there. I only said that they felt flat as sequences in the movie. They weren't, for instance, a touch on Luke's fights at the end of Empire and Jedi, which felt like climatic moments of their respective films. There were times where I felt like they were just treading water - i.e. the bit where Kylo has Rey by the edge of hill, and they just stand there for about a minute with their sabers locked together (no doubt so they can have another "Hey, Rey, do you know you're force sensitive" moment and get Williams out of the shit by digging up one of his old scores and shoving it in there) But after she gets that force sensitive moment the fight escalates to another level. Much like the fight in Jedi when Vader mentions turning Luke's sister. Until that she's basically running for her life. Just jabbing at him. My kid wanted to see it again last night for her birthday. I've never seen a movie this many times in a theater. I definitely don't need to see it again for a long time. Disappointed I never got to see it in imax though. I work in a nursing home, so I have a lot of compassion for the elderly. Last night I wanted to punch an eighty year old man. He wouldn't shut up. When Ford showed up in the movie he yells there's Luke Skywalker. This was the third time I moved my seat. Before that had a father reading the opening crawl to his kid at which seemed like the top of his lungs and her yammering the whole time asking if Rey was Princess Leia. One thing I hate about going to the movies is people talking. You're not at home. STFU.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 10, 2016 11:21:39 GMT -5
I never said the lightsaber battles in the prequels were all that either - your constant need to knock the prequels has made you jump the gun there. I only said that they felt flat as sequences in the movie. They weren't, for instance, a touch on Luke's fights at the end of Empire and Jedi, which felt like climatic moments of their respective films. There were times where I felt like they were just treading water - i.e. the bit where Kylo has Rey by the edge of hill, and they just stand there for about a minute with their sabers locked together (no doubt so they can have another "Hey, Rey, do you know you're force sensitive" moment and get Williams out of the shit by digging up one of his old scores and shoving it in there) But after she gets that force sensitive moment the fight escalates to another level. Much like the fight in Jedi when Vader mentions turning Luke's sister. Until that she's basically running for her life. Just jabbing at him. I get why they had the scene in there, I only wish they'd done it a different way. It makes no sense that they would both just stand there with the sabers locked together, not even trying to down their opponent; if they simply aimed a knee in the other's gut, they could put them off balance and take a swipe at them, rather than both just standing there, admiring the view from the edge of the cliff. Anyway, I guess it doesn't matter a great deal. The fight does come to a satisfying conclusion just after that, to be fair.
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 10, 2016 12:12:09 GMT -5
John Williams is a fucking genius. I just made myself a cd compilation of my favorite Star Wars music. Duel of the Fates, Battle of the Heroes, Anakin's Betrayal, The Immolation Scene, Binary Sunset, Yoda's Theme, Han and Leia's Theme, Battle of Endor II (Luke vs Vader)... All beautiful pieces of music. Jaws, Superman, ET, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, Harry Potter, Star Wars. Those movies aren't the same without his scores. Every single one of them I can hum off the top of my head. I can't imagine those movies with anyone else's work.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 10, 2016 12:49:15 GMT -5
John Williams is a fucking genius. I just made myself a cd compilation of my favorite Star Wars music. Duel of the Fates, Battle of the Heroes, Anakin's Betrayal, The Immolation Scene, Binary Sunset, Yoda's Theme, Han and Leia's Theme, Battle of Endor II (Luke vs Vader)... All beautiful pieces of music. Jaws, Superman, ET, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, Harry Potter, Star Wars. Those movies aren't the same without his scores. Every single one of them I can hum off the top of my head. I can't imagine those movies with anyone else's work. Don't forget Schindlers List and Saving Private Ryan.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 10, 2016 12:53:07 GMT -5
I love Episode 7, but I'm totally with you there. I mean, with all the hate Episode 1 gets, Duel of the Fates might be the single best piece of SW music - 7 had practically nothing memorable, bar the occasional reuse of the classics. Not to mention these two, which does more to convey the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker than anything George Lucas wrote from 1997 to 2004. I always thought the best Anakin/Padme scene in Ep.III is the one where they both stare out of different windows in Coruscant, shortly before Anakin goes on his killing spree. No dialogue - the score alone makes the scene.
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Post by Adam on Jan 10, 2016 13:07:58 GMT -5
The Force Awakens may be not be Williams' best Star Wars work, but it's still amazing and just highlights his previous brilliance. His body of work is outstanding and his legacy to film scores will be like no other.
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