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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 20, 2015 17:57:28 GMT -5
The Crimson Rambler I thought those lists were the potential tracklists for the albums. But I'm probably wrong. If I'm wrong, you made a good point regarding Live Forever. I just googled those notes again. I find it funny how a lot of Be Here Now was actually intended to be on WTSMG. And I assume Here Am I=Going Nowhere and Everything's Alright=Step Out? Also, that "I am always right" one always makes me laugh a bit. So typical!
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 20, 2015 18:08:24 GMT -5
Tom Hingley. I read his book where he was pretty bitter towards Noel & Oasis and his own former band, of course. But he did come across as quite likeable I have to say and I could not help but feel for him, because of what happend with his own band where there of course are more than one side. He told a brilliant story where by chance on a tour he, the (apparently clean) lead singer ended up finding a drug dealer for his roadies, Noel and his mate. Anyway, maybe it is one of those stories that has been repeated so often that everybody believes it. I just remember, maybe from McGee's book, that he did meet Noel earlier, when Noel was dating a girl that worked as a cleaner for Creation. And he mentions that he even was in the boardwalk rehearsal room, meeting one of his own bands there and asking them about Oasis. I think? Anyway, they showed him the room with the Union Jack and told him that that band is a bunch of nationalists, just to keep him away from them. I think the version McGee told in his book was that he was in Glasgow to surprise his good friend and came too early because they had changed the curfew times. If it is a made up story, it is made up nicely and everybody involved has been sticking to it so far. That was the man. He was far from likeable when he gave us his lecture. Very arrogant and actually said they'd be no Oasis without him or words to that effect. He tried wherever he could to belittle Noel when telling stories about the Inspiral Carpets too. Im sure you can find an interview with Noel during his time as In spiral Carpets Roadie somewhere online. Someone has since published it, obviously not knowing at the time who he would go on to be. Even there Noel is calling Hingley a nobhead so I'm guessing they never got on. It was the only lecture in my time at University that when the time came to ask for applause, everyone just walked out. Hingley's face was a picture. Think everyone could see through him.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 20, 2015 18:16:42 GMT -5
Here is the interview with Noel when he was a roadie. It was 1991.
Noel Gallagher - Select - Spring 1991/April 1997 The great lost Noel Gallagher interview
'IT'S GOOD THAT BLUR ARE IN THE CHARTS', so said an Inspiral Carpets roadie in 1991, speaking - in the absence of his employers - into a journalist's tape recorder. We present, with no little fanfare, the Great Lost Noel Gallagher Interview...
'He was dead chuffed because he'd never been interviewed before.' Freelance writer Stella Blackburn isn't speaking of your average no-hoper. She's recalling the time she interviewed Noel Gallagher, in a Swindon venue sppokily called The Oasis, during his time roadie-ing with Inspiral Carpets.
'It was in the spring of 1991,' she remembers, speaking down a phone line from Bolton. 'I wanted to interview the Inspirals with a view to getting published in 'Spiral Scratch' [now extinct collector's meta-zine], so I sorted it out with their manager and went down to find out that they'd changed their minds. So I thought I might as well interview the roadie, Noel.'
Among the expletive-laced tirades against Chesney Hawkes, Noel was equally dismissive about his own particular talents.
'When,' she recalls, 'he told me a year later that him and his kid had got this band called Oasis, I just thought it was hilarious.'
The chat proceeded as follows...
What do you think of the British Music industry at the moment? 'Current charts? Chesney Hawkes - bag of shit, right, but Gary Clail and that, Inspirals, Happy Mondays, Ride, Blur and all them lot, it's good that they're all in the charts. Very, very, very healthy. Indeed.'
You've always been a fan, but how did you end up working with the Inspirals? 'When Stephen Oat [first singer] left, they said to me, "Do you want to do a bit of the singing cos, like, you know all the songs and that", and I said, 'Yeah'. So I auditioned, couldn't sing a fucking note but they said, "Be a roadie" and I said 'I'll be a roadie, that'll do me.'
I've been accused of trying to get an Inspirals interview in an underhand way... 'All I can say to that is, they are the way they are. Y'know if I was in the band I'd do an interview with any c**t.'
What do you think of the Happy Mondays playing stadiums? 'The Mondays are trying it now but they'll find out that it'll be half full - 35,000 people...It's a lot of fucking people, man. It's like saying that everyone that's ever bought one of your records is gonna come to your gig. It doesn't happen like that. I mean, like Spike Island. It was hyped in the press as being 40,000 sold out, there's no way there was more than 20,000. Y'know, I've seen gigs. I can judge how many people are in a fucking field. So there's no point in putting on massive great big gigs outdoors on the fucking side of a hill and being shit - you can't get the sound right, the facilities are shit, you can't get the right support bands...'
I think you should get rid of Tom Hingley (Inspirals second singer after Oat). New year's resolution: get rid of Tom. 'You'd be justified in saying that, and the rest of the band would, if he wasn't such a good singer. This band don't need a Shaun Ryder at the front of the stage, I'd be stood there, it's as simple as that.
Tom's a good singer. Maybe he's a knobhead, maybe he pisses people off like you. That's the way it is. All I'm concerned with is what comes out of them speakers at the end of the fucking night, and what goes on to records. What it's all about is the songs, anyway, innit? And from the crew point of view, it's all about taking loads of drugs and having a good time!
Tom's a top singer, that's all he's paid for, being a singer in a band. He's not paid to be a spokesman for the youth, that's Shaun Ryder, who's not a singer. You see that in Happy Mondays interviews and Stone Roses interviews - do they ever mention the songs? Never, They mention how many drugs they've taken the night before or how they grew up.
With Inspiral Carpets there's none of that bullshit about them. If it's about image and being hard and all that you might as well set a big stage up and have five guys sat round taking drugs and charge a few thousand people ten pounds each to watch five guys taking drugs.'
I can't see what kick Martyn (Walsh, bass) gets out of the band... 'Well, all I can say is, it's like, say you're in Chesney Hawkes's backing band, right? You might think the music's total shit, you might hate everyone you're with but someone says "I'll give you a grand a week." What would you say? I know what I'd do. I'd be in Rod Stewart's backing abdn for a thousand pounds a week [laughs]. Wouldn't you? I would.'
So are you going to stay with the Inspirals then? 'Nah...I'm going to shoot off. Gonna work for the World Of Twist. They're a top band. Fucking mega mega mega band. No one could do what the World Of Twist do, except the World Of Twist. They are top me, one of the fucking bestest bands in Manchester.'
Do you not like working for the Inspirals anymore? 'I like it more now. I get paid more. I used to get a fiver a night when we started, now I get 350 quid a week, and as many crisps as I can eat, which is plenty. (Noel leans into the microphone) Cunnilinus fellatio contact, Noel-y Gallagher in the area.'
We could sample that and get Adrian Sherwood (On-U Sound Producer) to make a remix with it. Would the Inspirals be into being produced by someone like Adrian Sherwood? 'They'd, like, try anything. Because the way I see it, right, is, their album today sits at number five in the charts. We're all going to have a fucking gold disc on the mantelpiece. It wouldn't matter if that fucking fat bastard there in the green overall had produced it, because the songs would have been the same.
And that's what the people vibe off, I could have produced it, it would have been the same, cos that's what people vibe off, a good song. It doesn't matter how it's produced. Classic records, that's what it's all about. Producers. jack shit! They get paid too much. They just sit there. What they do is, there's an engineer, who knows all the mathematical, geographical, fucking religious terms, like PFL, and the producer just sits there, has a spliff and says, "I want to get it to sound like that." I could do it, man. It's about the songs.'
Which are? '"Mermaid" (Inspirals album track, from 'The Beast Inside'). "Mermaid" is shit. Fucking lesbian tune: 'Skipping an a twirling'. Who the fuck goes round fucking skipping and twirling? Except Lesbians? You know what I mean? Never twirled in my life! Never do ant skipping, unless I'm down the Hacienda and Mike Pickering's on and I've had two and a half E's. Bit of skipping going on them
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jul 20, 2015 18:17:18 GMT -5
The Crimson Rambler I thought those lists were the potential tracklists for the albums. But I'm probably wrong. If I'm wrong, you made a good point regarding Live Forever. Most of them are tracklists but these specific ones are just lists which contain Live Forever. This One and This One Too. Here Am I is almost certainly Going Nowhere, my thoughts on Everything's Alright are here and Being A Blue is almost certainly an early version of Acquiesce. A more than decent reserve album and Supersonic probably hadn't even been written yet... pretty impressive!
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 20, 2015 18:22:29 GMT -5
The Crimson Rambler I thought those lists were the potential tracklists for the albums. But I'm probably wrong. If I'm wrong, you made a good point regarding Live Forever. Most of them are tracklists but these specific ones are just lists which contain Live Forever. This One and This One Too. Here Am I is almost certainly Going Nowhere, my thoughts on Everything's Alright are here and Being A Blue is almost certainly an early version of Acquiesce. A more than decent reserve album and Supersonic probably hadn't even been written yet... pretty impressive! Oh yeah I just came across those as well. Yeah, bit strange to put "the best song I had written" at #7 or something. Yeah, same thoughts on Acquiesce and Step Out then.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jul 20, 2015 18:28:23 GMT -5
I don't know if this make any differencé to the discussion, but, my hair looks really cüte today...
Thanks.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 20, 2015 18:36:56 GMT -5
There'd be no Oasis without me
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Post by joladella on Jul 21, 2015 1:01:46 GMT -5
That was the man. He was far from likeable when he gave us his lecture. Very arrogant and actually said they'd be no Oasis without him or words to that effect. That's a bit rich! I remember that once in the book he made a list of what Noel took from other bands to put into his own. But even if that was true, and he surely learned a lot from his time with them, I could not help but feel that it was just proof of Noel being really clever and determined, neither of which is a sin. That's a shame! I did get the impression from the book that he never was really part of the band, which maybe made it so easy for the others to replace him. But I'm hopeless, maybe even if he deserved that, I still could and cannot help myself feeling very sorry for him for the way things have turned out for him. Stupid, I know.
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Post by morning_rain on Jul 21, 2015 2:41:19 GMT -5
I thought we as fans had already accepted long ago that 50% of what Noel says is bullshit and 40% of the rest is exaggerated.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Jul 21, 2015 3:17:48 GMT -5
Hahaha fuckin' Noel. In his whole masterplan he couldn't possibly predict thousands of people finally finding out all his lies and rip offs 20 years later using computers
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Post by batfink30 on Jul 21, 2015 9:09:34 GMT -5
I'm not entirely convinced Noel even writes his own songs. He has a team of songwriters behind him I'm sure.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 21, 2015 9:16:17 GMT -5
I write Noel songs
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 21, 2015 9:52:04 GMT -5
I'm not entirely convinced Noel even writes his own songs. He has a team of songwriters behind him I'm sure. I don't think his name is Noel. He MUST have made that up.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Jul 21, 2015 10:02:09 GMT -5
Noel died in a car crash in 1998 and we've been following his replacement, whose childhood nickname was Little James due to his short stature. There are clues all over the songs from 2000 onwards.
#NoelIsDead
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Post by LlAM on Jul 21, 2015 10:12:31 GMT -5
Someone once said Noel bought one of his songs
It's boggled my mind ever since wondering which song it was
The Importance Of Being Idle?
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 21, 2015 10:20:28 GMT -5
Someone once said Noel bought one of his songs It's boggled my mind ever since wondering which song it was The Importance Of Being Idle? Yes,he bought it from me
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Jul 21, 2015 11:13:17 GMT -5
I'm not entirely convinced Noel even writes his own songs. He has a team of songwriters behind him I'm sure. I think Paul Stacy does alot of the writing for him these days. And it sounds like the AA did the same for the lost album.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 21, 2015 11:21:07 GMT -5
I'm not entirely convinced Noel even writes his own songs. He has a team of songwriters behind him I'm sure. I think Paul Stacy does alot of the writing for him these days. And it sounds like the AA did the same for the lost album. You forgot to say Johnny Marr wrote Ballad Of The Mighty I
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Post by cigsandalc on Jul 21, 2015 11:28:21 GMT -5
Liam wrote most of the songs. Some guy of some band told me, so it must be true
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 21, 2015 11:32:20 GMT -5
I'll be honest with you,I didn't write The Importance Of Being Idle,Dave Sardy did
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Post by batfink30 on Jul 21, 2015 11:41:38 GMT -5
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 21, 2015 11:51:02 GMT -5
Don't forget that Paul Weller wrote Champagne Supernova.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 12:45:46 GMT -5
Tony McCarroll is the real genius behind Noel.
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Jul 21, 2015 12:46:25 GMT -5
An interesting topic derailed.
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Post by globe on Jul 21, 2015 13:52:43 GMT -5
I'm sure the King Tuts story is a bit embellished, just like the story of most bands is. Well they were just a bunch of lads from Burnage but I'm sure Noel's connections in the music business through his time with the Carpets helped them out a bit.
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