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Post by Doc Lobster on Apr 25, 2015 3:05:42 GMT -5
Alright, here's the crazy thought for today. Ever since we got to hear the story of how The Right Stuff was written, I was wondering which song it could have originated from. For the two people who don't know the story: TRS was created during the AA sessions from three chords those guys decided to loop. They were recording another track that day.
I remember when the album leaked and people were comparing TRS to Alone on the Rope because of its jazzy feel (even though this aspect is much more explicit on TRS). I think this might be more than just a coincidence. If you've played the two songs on guitar, you might have noticed both of them use the same tuning, with the second string tuned to A. This is not usual for Noel; as a matter of fact, I can't think of another song that requires this tuning (maybe LTLSALOM?). Although I'm sure there must be others.
Now, of course, the songs are in different keys: AOTR is in F#m whereas TRS is in C. However, if you raise AOTR by just 1/2 step, and play it with a capo on the third fret, you will notice the two songs use most of the same chords.
With all this in mind, I wonder if Noel recorded a version of AOTR with the AA, in a higher key, and TRS was spontaneously written while recording it. This might also explain why AOTR got such a strange release, if Noel was expecting to release another version of it on the AA album.
Thoughts?
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Post by ccd204p on Apr 25, 2015 6:13:21 GMT -5
Alright, here's the crazy thought for today. Ever since we got to hear the story of how The Right Stuff was written, I was wondering which song it could have originated from. For the two people who don't know the story: TRS was created during the AA sessions from three chords those guys decided to loop. They were recording another track that day. I remember when the album leaked and people were comparing TRS to Alone on the Rope because of its jazzy feel (even though this aspect is much more explicit on TRS). I think this might be more than just a coincidence. If you've played the two songs on guitar, you might have noticed both of them use the same tuning, with the second string tuned to A. This is not usual for Noel; as a matter of fact, I can't think of another song that requires this tuning (maybe LTLSALOM?). Although I'm sure there must be others. Now, of course, the songs are in different keys: AOTR is in F#m whereas TRS is in C. However, if you raise AOTR by just 1/2 step, and play it with a capo on the third fret, you will notice the two songs use most of the same chords. With all this in mind, I wonder if Noel recorded a version of AOTR with the AA, in a higher key, and TRS was spontaneously written while recording it. This might also explain why AOTR got such a strange release, if Noel was expecting to release another version of it on the AA album. Thoughts? The tuning EADGAE has been used countless times by Oasis and Noel. Off of the top of my head you have: Turn Up The Sun Lyla Rock 'N' Roll Star (live) Bring it On Down (live) The Shock Of The Lightning Mucky Fingers A Simple Game Of Genius Stop Crying Your Heart Out (demo) Alone On The Rope ...and probably others. I'm not convinced Let The Lord... has this tuning. The B chord played doesn't sound to me to have any dropped notes... but I might be wrong. You'll also see Noel uses similar patterns often. Riverman and Broken Arrow use similar chord patterns as do songs such as Stranded.... and Death Of... |
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Post by spud on Apr 25, 2015 6:22:00 GMT -5
The tuning EADGAE has been used countless times by Oasis and Noel. Off of the top of my head you have: Turn Up The Sun Lyla Rock 'N' Roll Star (live) Bring it On Down (live) The Shock Of The Lightning Mucky Fingers A Simple Game Of Genius Stop Crying Your Heart Out (demo) Alone On The Rope ...and probably others. Eh? Are you sure about that? |
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Post by ccd204p on Apr 25, 2015 6:28:13 GMT -5
The tuning EADGAE has been used countless times by Oasis and Noel. Off of the top of my head you have: Turn Up The Sun Lyla Rock 'N' Roll Star (live) Bring it On Down (live) The Shock Of The Lightning Mucky Fingers A Simple Game Of Genius Stop Crying Your Heart Out (demo) Alone On The Rope ...and probably others. Eh? Are you sure about that? Yup. There may have been a capo involved in all of them bar Mucky Fingers |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Apr 25, 2015 6:42:39 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure RNRS and Bring It On Down are in standard tuning. I don't know about the rest, though.
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Post by spud on Apr 25, 2015 6:43:47 GMT -5
Eh? Are you sure about that? Yup. There may have been a capo involved in all of them bar Mucky Fingers So what chord shapes do they play in that tuning? |
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Post by ccd204p on Apr 25, 2015 7:22:07 GMT -5
Yup. There may have been a capo involved in all of them bar Mucky Fingers So what chord shapes do they play in that tuning? There's lots of inversions played. Might be best watching YouTube videos to see what Noel is up to at times but some chords are: A- 002200 D- 000202 (also 000200) F- 133200 C- 032030 Shock Of the Lightning: capo 2 Play -29822 then -29722 (x3) then 355400 540005 for the intro. The last chord can be played in a different inversion too (2 will be an open string with capo on 2nd fret) If you look at the Demos topic, I posted the chords for SCYHO demo, played with EADGAE and with a capo on 2. I'll find you the link shortly... |
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Post by ccd204p on Apr 25, 2015 7:29:21 GMT -5
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Post by ccd204p on Apr 25, 2015 7:35:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure RNRS and Bring It On Down are in standard tuning. I don't know about the rest, though. The original studio ones are, yes. When played live, Noel whacks a capo on 2 and has the B tuned down to an A (2002 onwards). Try playing along  |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Apr 25, 2015 7:41:53 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure RNRS and Bring It On Down are in standard tuning. I don't know about the rest, though. The original studio ones are, yes. When played live, Noel whacks a capo on 2 and has the B tuned down to an A (2002 onwards). Try playing along Oh, I see. How does he play the solos then? The RNRS one is next to impossible to play with that tuning (consider when Noel plays the first two open strings and alternates between E and D# on the third string). But maybe he's changed the solos. I know I sound ignorant, but I never really cared for post-2000 Oasis and I'm not even aware of how the played these songs during the last few tours. |
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Post by ccd204p on Apr 25, 2015 7:49:21 GMT -5
The original studio ones are, yes. When played live, Noel whacks a capo on 2 and has the B tuned down to an A (2002 onwards). Try playing along Oh, I see. How does he play the solos then? The RNRS one is next to impossible to play with that tuning (consider when Noel plays the first two open strings and alternates between E and D# on the third string). But maybe he's changed the solos. I know I sound ignorant, but I never really cared for post-2000 Oasis and I'm not even aware of how the played these songs during the last few tours. You should listen to them, the playing is better! Remember, it's quite easy to move things so the solo was played differently post 2000 to the record. It's easy enough to play it in a slightly different place on the guitar and practise always helps. Hard to tab it out here so I'd say just watch and improvise! |
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Post by spud on Apr 25, 2015 8:18:05 GMT -5
This is a revelation to me. Not sure of the benefit to using that tuning tbh, but yeah I had no idea.
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Post by LlAM on Apr 25, 2015 10:01:54 GMT -5
I always thought Right Stuff sound like a Riverman AA remix
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Post by ccd204p on Apr 25, 2015 11:29:11 GMT -5
This is a revelation to me. Not sure of the benefit to using that tuning tbh, but yeah I had no idea. It allow some different sounds. Lyla starts with 224422 then take all fingers off the fretboard (repeat four times for the intro) on the EADGAE tuning. Compare that to standard tuning and playing a B chord the whole time (with capo on 2nd fret of course), I'd think you'd hear the difference. With Lyla you can hear it in the outdo. With the tuning, Noel is basically playing a F# (E) and picking the bottom four strings upwards in order. Have a go, see what you think |
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Post by fiv3oclocksh4dow on Apr 28, 2015 22:33:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I always thought the chorus of falling down sounded like the right stuff to me. In fact, the other night I was making a playlist and immediately noticed how similar they are to one another.
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Post by papsh on May 1, 2015 16:37:44 GMT -5
TRS makes me think about this :
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Post by ccd204p on Feb 11, 2024 13:54:35 GMT -5
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Post by dadrocker on Feb 12, 2024 8:28:01 GMT -5
TRS makes me think about this : The good old days of Zero 7. Shame they disappeared. |
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Feb 16, 2024 10:48:05 GMT -5
Well,I'm 9 years late and mind blown by this. All these years watching them playing live and I've never noticed the different tuning |
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Post by ccd204p on Feb 16, 2024 13:56:24 GMT -5
Well,I'm 9 years late and mind blown by this. All these years watching them playing live and I've never noticed the different tuning Time to relearn? 😜 |
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Post by tiger40 on Feb 16, 2024 14:05:31 GMT -5
This song is a tune.
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Feb 18, 2024 12:55:03 GMT -5
Well,I'm 9 years late and mind blown by this. All these years watching them playing live and I've never noticed the different tuning Time to relearn? 😜 Hell yeah!! Just found the tabs for Lyla and omg it sounds perfect. Do you guys have the other tabs? Cos the chords really change and tunes like Rock'n'Roll Star and THT have a bunch of chords |
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Post by ccd204p on Oct 15, 2024 14:57:24 GMT -5
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