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Post by welshylad on Sept 5, 2014 9:39:48 GMT -5
All we'll get are tracks from G-Mex And Tokyo '98.. They wont even be bothered to realease tracks from the alternate nights, theyll just give us the shit we already got.
I hope Im wrong, but Im probably not
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Post by davidjay on Sept 5, 2014 9:41:24 GMT -5
All Around The World (13 or 15 minute version done during the WTSMG sessions)Did you make this up?  Never heard of that one... I've definitely heard of something like that, but it might just have been Noel exaggerating I remember hearing about the 13-minute version of All Around the World a while back as well, although I don't recall which article or book it was mentioned in. I did ask Nick Brine about it and he said that, "I don’t recall the extended version being recorded on the Morning Glory sessions, although I do remember Noel playing it to us all on acoustic in the control room saying “Here’s a track for album three” (already)." (More here: www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=114 ) Mike Marsh (mastering engineer on the original CD of Be Here Now) recalls that "We never had a 13 minute version of All Around The World – not sure where that rumour has come from? The full length version direct from the ½-inch master tape was 9 minutes 45 seconds and the final running time on the album was 9 minutes 20 seconds but this was only because we chased the end fade a little earlier to run into the next track, It’s Getting Better Man! If there was a longer version I never saw it and I’m not aware one existed unless it got scrapped and never actually made it to a finished mix." (Full interview: www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=156 ) |
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Post by lahaine on Sept 5, 2014 10:51:43 GMT -5
Christ if only Noel laid off the coke and had his senses together and kept a b-side or two back from the WTSMG period that album could have been a classic. It needs for Noel to get his hands on it and edit it down, get rid of Magic Pie, Cut some songs down to size and get Stay young and Going Nowhere on the album (how the fuck did he leave those tunes off). I still love Be Here Now for all it's OTT Bombastic it's the last Oasis album I truly love. Most of the albums after that just never did it for me, still some great stuff on them but far too patchy. I never understand Noel's hate for the album maybe the fact he wasn't on the ball for it hurts the most. I would have loved to see how this album would have turned out with a sober Noel at the helm.I love a documentary on the making of the album with interviews with the band now and other hangers on, it make a good warning for bands today at what not to do plus having Noel wince at every moment would be funny as hell. A bit like Definitely Maybe Doc they did a few years ago but with added drugs and sheer Spinal Tap behaviour. Plus add that BBC documentary they released before the release of the album in 1997 called Right Here, Right Now. Great live disc should be gathered together and the B-sides plus some demos. That's just it imo, that's why Noel professes to hate it so, the thought of what could have been. Hell, even as just a fan I wonder sometimes about that time and it's maddening to think of the utterly stratospheric levels of success they could have reached if they'd got that album right... I'm sure for Noel that's multiplied ten-fold. You'd struggle to find a sneering critic then, if they had written three masterpieces against all the odds... He's since watched bands come and go and none of them have had anything like the following Oasis did for a short while in the UK and of course, Noel knows that nothing he releases from now on will have the same interest around it either. As well if course, he'll never have the capacity to write those kind of tunes again... It must be gutting to have ballsed it up when he had the country in the grip of his hand. Especially, as you said, when the songs were there! D'You Know What I Mean?, Stand By Me, Don't Go Away et cetera and there was plenty of songs that could have been passed over from Morning Glory. Look at Led Zeppelin, the best album the ever did was Physical Graffiti imo, a double-album only because they had an abundance of songs that didn't fit on their over albums. Take Down By The Seaside for example, recorded for IV but it just wouldn't have been right. On Physical Graffiti however, it works like a treat. If Noely G had used his head and not shot his load all at once, it could have been very different. Aquiesce for instance, whilst upbeat anthems may not have been needed on Morning Glory that tune would certainly be an improvement on Be Here Now or I Hope, I Think I Know for me...
All he had to do was stay clean for a few months whilst they recorded it, but alas, it wasn't to be. I expect Noel feels bitter about the whole thing nowYou could see at the time Noel ( who was overweight, the worse he ever looked it's amazing to think he was the same guy) was clearly believing the hype, he got into that state of mind anything they could have released would have been epic. They were the best and biggest band in the world at the time, even now thats amazing that your favourite and best band were also the biggest. Everyone loved them after WTSMG (although no one ever listened to DM but the die hard fans) you couldn't walk down the street without hearing Don't Look Back in Anger, Wonderwall or anything of that album blasting from a Car stereo or House, and i haven't see it since with any band. Noel and most critics hate it now but at the time Be Here Now got rave reviews, 5 star reviews here and there. Everyone gushing over it. Then out came Ok Computer and Urban Hynms (awesome albums both) then came the bad reviews after everyone had time to soak it up. I think a lot of people where waiting for the downfall of the Gallaghers and this was the perfect time for it. They were never as respected or as that loved after. I was 17 at the time it was released so i remember it all very well. I think Noel is a little harsh on it, I think it's there 3rd best album flaws and all. I love I hope, I think, I know, i agree on Be Here Now and i add Magic Pie to that list, they are decent B-sides at best for me. Stay Young and Going Nowhere should have been ungraded to the Album, if he kept back The Masterplan and Aquiesce for the album. Editied down Stand By me and All Around the World, cut back on the Guitar overdubs. They would have had a great album, but it's all if's and buts really. What Noel didn't have that Led Zeppelin had was two strong personalities on Plant and Page plus Jones could knock a few great tunes too. Noel didn't have a equal in the band someone who wrote tunes as good as him or who he respected ( he wasn't going to listen to Bonehead or Liam) to tell him he was fucking up, to many hangers on telling him he weas the greatest. I got to say Noel Released his best set of songs with the Solo album since WTSMG for me. Although it didn't sell anywhere near the Sales of the early Oasis releases but it gave him back some creative juices. so he's doing well. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 5, 2014 12:12:56 GMT -5
This has got nothing to do with anything, but talking about his solo album, apparently that was the fastest selling debut album ever until Royal Blood's album came out. Just thought I'd share that.
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Post by rupertg on Sept 5, 2014 14:59:22 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it was in Take Me There: Oasis the Story by Paul Mathur. I don't have the book at my finger tips (it's in storage).
I remember it says they recorded it the same day they did Champagne Supernova and funnily enough The Red, White, And Blue. They said they were saving both for their 3rd album.
I haven't read the book in 16 years or so
so my memory might be faulty. Then again I have about 5+ Oasis books that came out pre-Be Here Now.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 5, 2014 16:05:27 GMT -5
I was talking about debut albums. Noel's debut album to be more specific. BHN wasn't a debut album nor an album just by Noel.
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Post by Jailbird on Sept 5, 2014 16:21:53 GMT -5
I was talking about debut albums. Noel's debut album to be more specific. BHN wasn't a debut album nor an album just by Noel. Sorry my bad, I should sleep. But first week sales were still almost twice as high as Royal Blood's were, if I'm correct. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Sept 5, 2014 16:29:32 GMT -5
we talk of all the extra we want on the remasters and future releases but it wouldn't shock me if there weren't many takes, versions, demoes, etc. because Oasis members on the whole aren't great musicians.
i can imagine them getting through a take and saying something like, "thank fuck we got through that one, what's next...?
God bless.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 6, 2014 13:25:43 GMT -5
I'm starting to think the Be Here Now reissue is following in the same footsteps as the original in terms of us overhyping the potential material. I'm expecting to be let down with very few true gems from this period. Don't get me wrong, I hope Noel includes long lost demos and such but when was the last time Noel delivered us his "full" potential?
Until a track listing emerges, I'm holding my breath.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 6, 2014 15:14:37 GMT -5
I think it could be as disappointing as the first two tbh. A mish mash of live tracks and a few demos wouldn't surprise me. Keeping back enough to squeeze some more money out of people in the future.
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Post by rupertg on Sept 6, 2014 20:57:50 GMT -5
Besides Noel's go ahead wink, do we even know that Noel Gallagher is personally involved in the Chasing The Sun set?
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Post by LlAM on Sept 7, 2014 0:15:33 GMT -5
Didn't someone confirm that the Mystique demos would be released with it?
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Sept 7, 2014 1:00:52 GMT -5
I think it could be as disappointing as the first two tbh. A mish mash of live tracks and a few demos wouldn't surprise me. Keeping back enough to squeeze some more money out of people in the future. not to sound negative but I fully imagine this happening. don't know why everyone is expecting a change in the pattern since we know the full 3 disc tracklisting for both definitely maybe and morning glory. I expect 2-4 demos (possibly unheard), and a load of b-sides and live tracks that are already in circulation. You should all expect something as mysterious as mustique demos to be 10 years from now. this is a band that will milk their fans for every cent. why do you think knebworth audio hasn't been released in full? |
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 7, 2014 3:41:40 GMT -5
Besides Noel's go ahead wink, do we even know that Noel Gallagher is personally involved in the Chasing The Sun set? All the copyrights for the songs and money. |
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 7, 2014 17:37:29 GMT -5
Besides Noel's go ahead wink, do we even know that Noel Gallagher is personally involved in the Chasing The Sun set? He gave a thumbs up and that was it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 17:43:17 GMT -5
It'd be cool if the tape replica for this set was the Mustique demos #wishfulthinking #thisstillisnttwitter
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Post by teadrinker on Sept 7, 2014 19:32:50 GMT -5
Got a feeling that the 'unheard' tracks on disc 3 will be these, albeit in better quality obviously:
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Post by deadman on Sept 8, 2014 4:51:02 GMT -5
Got a feeling that the 'unheard' tracks on disc 3 will be these, albeit in better quality obviously: Not a chance. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 8, 2014 9:27:40 GMT -5
Noel did some bad ass acoustic versions during radio appearances during this era (DYKWIM, Magic Pie, Stay Young, Don't Go Away, Setting Sun), I wouldn't mind some of those ending up on disc 3. Ideally I'd want the live Setting Sun-Fade In-Out acoustic medley from late into the Be Here Now tour. That was fucking AWESOME.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 8, 2014 9:31:28 GMT -5
Setting Sun <3
I fucking love that song.
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Post by mkoasis on Sept 8, 2014 15:28:12 GMT -5
Noel acoustics from BHN:
DYKWIM (various performances)
Magic Pie (Radio NRG Paris 97)
Stand By Me (various performances)
Fade In/Out (various performances in 98)
Don't Go Away (various performances in 98)
It's Getting Better Man (only joking!)
Stay Young (Radio Milan...or was it Munich? 97)
Heroes (done once in 98)
Angel Child (Radio Cadena Spain 97)
Setting Sun (Radio DJ Milan 97)
To Be Someone (various performances in 98)
Help (various performances in 98)
Half the World Away (Vancouver GM Place 98)
Cast No Shadow (opening for Weller 98)
The Masterplan (opening for Weller 98)
Underneath the Sky (Radio NRG Paris 97)
Talk Tonight (various performances in 97 and 98)
And the many other Wonderwalls and DLBIAs. Would make a good compilation if the sound quality was even throughout.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 16:21:04 GMT -5
A 'Be Here Now (Demo)' will be on the third disk, you heard it here first.
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Post by deadman on Sept 8, 2014 17:21:22 GMT -5
Noel acoustics from BHN: DYKWIM (various performances) Magic Pie (Radio NRG Paris 97) Stand By Me (various performances) Fade In/Out (various performances in 98) Don't Go Away (various performances in 98) It's Getting Better Man (only joking!) Stay Young (Radio Milan...or was it Munich? 97) Heroes (done once in 98) Angel Child (Radio Cadena Spain 97) Setting Sun (Radio DJ Milan 97) To Be Someone (various performances in 98) Help (various performances in 98) Half the World Away (Vancouver GM Place 98) Cast No Shadow (opening for Weller 98) The Masterplan (opening for Weller 98) Underneath the Sky (Radio NRG Paris 97) Talk Tonight (various performances in 97 and 98) And the many other Wonderwalls and DLBIAs. Would make a good compilation if the sound quality was even throughout. I don't think they've licensed any TV/Radio sessions for these re-releases, so I don't expect them to now. In any case, the acoustic stuff will be covered by Mustique and the Oasis/solo shows in 1998. I expect there to be around 5 Mustique demos, a few band live tracks, and maybe a couple of stripped down studio tracks. Would be nice to get a couple of alternate Liam vocals somewhere. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Sept 8, 2014 17:56:28 GMT -5
A 'Be Here Now (Demo)' will be on the third disk, you heard it here first. A Noel acoustic demo would be great! |
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Post by underneaththesky on Sept 8, 2014 23:43:29 GMT -5
Noel acoustics from BHN: Half the World Away (Vancouver GM Place 98) Cast No Shadow (opening for Weller 98) The Masterplan (opening for Weller 98) Underneath the Sky (Radio NRG Paris 97) Talk Tonight (various performances in 97 and 98) And the many other Wonderwalls and DLBIAs. Would make a good compilation if the sound quality was even throughout. he played Up In The Sky in 98..but only at a soundcheck. googled this for a link and it always comes down to Jim's blog. fucking amazing, man. thank YOU rkid003.blogspot.ca/2013/06/continental-airlines-arena-12th-january.html |
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