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Post by Zingbot on Dec 23, 2019 10:59:08 GMT -5
I know this thread is old but:
Definitely Maybe- 15 million
Morning Glory- 23 million(ranked among the best selling albums of all time)
Be Here Now- about 7.6 million
Singles- maybe over 17 million
Sotsog- maybe 3 million
HC- over 3.5 million
DBTT- over 7 million
DOYS- 2 million
The masterplan- 3 million
I counted stc as a single, because it is an EP it was just easier.
70- 80 million, no less.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 23, 2019 12:40:45 GMT -5
I know this thread is old but: Definitely Maybe- 15 million Morning Glory- 23 million(ranked among the best selling albums of all time) Be Here Now- about 7.6 million Singles- maybe over 17 million Sotsog- maybe 3 million HC- over 3.5 million DBTT- over 7 million DOYS- 2 million The masterplan- 3 million I counted stc as a single, because it is an EP it was just easier. 70- 80 million, no less. The DBTT figure is way way off. No way it came anywhere near 7 million. Between England and USA, it sold roughly 1.2 million copies. The two largest markets. No way it made up the rest elsewhere. The actual number is prob between 2.5-3 million. |
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Post by oasisunited on Dec 23, 2019 13:36:59 GMT -5
I know this thread is old but: Definitely Maybe- 15 million Morning Glory- 23 million(ranked among the best selling albums of all time) Be Here Now- about 7.6 million Singles- maybe over 17 million Sotsog- maybe 3 million HC- over 3.5 million DBTT- over 7 million DOYS- 2 million The masterplan- 3 million I counted stc as a single, because it is an EP it was just easier. 70- 80 million, no less. The DBTT figure is way way off. No way it came anywhere near 7 million. Between England and USA, it sold roughly 1.2 million copies. The two largest markets. No way it made up the rest elsewhere. The actual number is prob between 2.5-3 million. We had this discussion a few months ago and I think even if you include downloads streams, which were just starting to be a thing at that time, you may get to around 4 million for DBTT, but no where near the reported 7 million number. I don't believe the band has ever said 7+ million, though I do believe I read a release where they said it was around 6 million. Perhaps they are counting streams/downloads for more than they are actually worth. I also think the 70+ million total is counting the Familiar to Millions, Time Flies and Stop the Clocks, which probably gives them another 2-4 million to make up the difference between what is reported for DBTT and what is real. |
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Post by vera000 on Dec 23, 2019 13:39:44 GMT -5
chartmasters.org/2017/12/cspc-oasis-popularity-analysis/Definitely Maybe (1994) America US – 1,130,000 Canada – 200,000 Argentina – N/A Brazil – 100,000 Mexico – N/A Asia – 665,000 Japan – 345,000 Oceania Australia – 135,000 New Zealand – 30,000 Europe – 4,160,000 UK – 2,795,000 France – 250,000 Germany – 250,000 Italy – 180,000 Spain – 75,000 Sweden – 100,000 Netherland – 30,000 Switzerland – 35,000 Austria – 15,000 Finland – 10,000 World – 6,680,000 (What’s the Story) Morning Glory? (1995) America US – 5,125,000 Canada – 980,000 Argentina – 75,000 Brazil – 240,000 Mexico – 180,000 Asia – 1,515,000 Japan – 675,000 Oceania Australia – 565,000 New Zealand – 120,000 Europe – 8,470,000 UK – 5,115,000 France – 600,000 Germany – 600,000 Italy – 450,000 Spain – 300,000 Sweden – 150,000 Netherland – 125,000 Switzerland – 75,000 Austria – 45,000 Finland – 40,000 World – 17,660,000 Be Here Now (1997) America US – 1,125,000 Canada – 240,000 Argentina – 40,000 Brazil – 260,000 Mexico – 125,000 Asia – 1,115,000 Japan – 640,000 Oceania Australia – 100,000 New Zealand – 25,000 Europe – 4,200,000 UK – 2,170,000 France – 340,000 Germany – 340,000 Italy – 380,000 Spain – 140,000 Sweden – 110,000 Netherland – 65,000 Switzerland – 45,000 Austria – 25,000 Finland – 30,000 World – 7,410,000 Standing on the Shoulder of Giants (2000) America US – 225,000 Canada – 70,000 Argentina – N/A Brazil – N/A Mexico – N/A Asia – 850,000 Japan – 520,000 Oceania Australia – 25,000 New Zealand – 7,500 Europe – 1,340,000 UK – 830,000 France – 75,000 Germany – 90,000 Italy – 100,000 Spain – 30,000 Sweden – 15,000 Netherland – 12,500 Switzerland – 25,000 Austria – 10,000 Finland – 5,000 World – 2,620,000 Heathen Chemistry (2002) America US – 170,000 Canada – 50,000 Argentina – 25,000 Brazil – 60,000 Mexico – 50,000 Asia – 520,000 Japan – 360,000 Oceania Australia – 45,000 New Zealand – 5,000 Europe – 1,740,000 UK – 1,135,000 France – 80,000 Germany – 100,000 Italy – 150,000 Spain – 25,000 Sweden – 10,000 Netherland – 7,500 Switzerland – 35,000 Austria – 10,000 Finland – 5,000 World – 2,750,000 Don’t Believe the Truth (2005) America US – 220,000 Canada – 55,000 Argentina – 25,000 Brazil – 35,000 Mexico – 30,000 Asia – 410,000 Japan – 280,000 Oceania Australia – 30,000 New Zealand – 7,500 Europe – 1,350,000 UK – 980,000 France – 50,000 Germany – 75,000 Italy – 65,000 Spain – 15,000 Sweden – 7,500 Netherland – 10,000 Switzerland – 17,500 Austria – 7,000 Finland – 2,000 World – 2,240,000 Dig Out Your Soul (2008) America US – 150,000 Canada – 30,000 Argentina – N/A Brazil – 45,000 Mexico – 10,000 Asia – 345,000 Japan – 240,000 Oceania Australia – 20,000 New Zealand – 5,000 Europe – 1,020,000 UK – 650,000 France – 70,000 Germany – 75,000 Italy – 65,000 Spain – 10,000 Sweden – 7,500 Netherland – 12,000 Switzerland – 10,000 Austria – 5,000 Finland – 2,000 World – 1,690,000 Physical Singles Sales – Part 1 As a reminder, the weighting is done with a 10 to 3 ratio between one album and one physical single. Definitely Maybe (1994) – 456,000 equivalent albums Shakermaker – 350,000 Live Forever – 370,000 Supersonic – 390,000 Cigarettes & Alcohol – 410,000 (What’s the Story) Morning Glory? (1995) – 1,334,000 equivalent albums Roll With It – 690,000 Wonderwall – 1,820,000 Don’t Look Back In Anger – 1,060,000 Some Might Say – 810,000 Morning Glory – 50,000 Champagne Supernova – 15,000 Be Here Now (1997) – 639,000 equivalent albums D’You Know What I Mean? – 1,130,000 Stand By Me – 570,000 Don’t Go Away – 40,000 All Around The World – 390,000 Standing on the Shoulder of Giants (2000) – 246,000 equivalent albums Go Let It Out – 490,000 Who Feels Love? – 170,000 Sunday Morning Call – 160,000 Physical Singles Sales – Part 2 Heathen Chemistry (2002) – 279,000 equivalent albums The Hindu Times – 330,000 Stop Crying Your Heart Out – 270,000 Songbird – 140,000 Little By Little – 190,000 Don’t Believe the Truth (2005) – 117,000 equivalent albums Lyla – 190,000 The Importance Of Being Idle – 120,000 Let There Be Love – 80,000 Dig Out Your Soul (2008) – 30,000 equivalent albums The Shock Of The Lightning – 60,000 I’m Outta Time – 20,000 Falling Down – 20,000 Orphan – 324,000 equivalent albums Whatever – 1,040,000 Remaining Singles – 40,000
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 13:58:27 GMT -5
I don't know if the sales figures are right in South America and Asia. Oasis are (were) really popular there.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 23, 2019 14:29:11 GMT -5
I know this thread is old but: Definitely Maybe- 15 million Morning Glory- 23 million(ranked among the best selling albums of all time) Be Here Now- about 7.6 million Singles- maybe over 17 million Sotsog- maybe 3 million HC- over 3.5 million DBTT- over 7 million DOYS- 2 million The masterplan- 3 million I counted stc as a single, because it is an EP it was just easier. 70- 80 million, no less. The DBTT figure is way way off. No way it came anywhere near 7 million. Between England and USA, it sold roughly 1.2 million copies. The two largest markets. No way it made up the rest elsewhere. The actual number is prob between 2.5-3 million. Back in 2005 streaming wasn’t a thing and certainly wouldn’t be factored into album sales calculations by billboard or any other world charts. I believe at that time if you downloaded an album from iTunes you needed to purchase the entire thing for it to count in the total. You couldn’t just cherry pick 4-5 songs off it and have it count as a full album sold. I’m pretty confident in that DBTT did around 3 million. No more than that. Just no real data to support it. Not enough countries to make up a 5.7 million albums being sold after you subtract england and America. |
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Post by oasisunited on Dec 23, 2019 14:35:52 GMT -5
Back in 2005 streaming wasn’t a thing and certainly wouldn’t be factored into album sales calculations by billboard or any other world charts. Technically, it was a thing. Rhapsody, which launched from the ashes of Napster, debuted around 2001. YouTube and Pandora both launched in 2005 and Spotify in 2008. However, to your point, I would have to dig around to see when charts like Billboard starting counting streams towards chart numbers. Regardless, I don't believe anyone ever claimed that DBTT did 6 million units in 2005. Those numbers are almost always a "to date" kind of thing, which is why I suspect they are somehow including/over inflating the impact of streams to the total album sales number. |
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Post by Zingbot on Dec 23, 2019 14:56:58 GMT -5
Don't know where you guys are getting info, but it is recognized as selling 6-7 million copies pretty much everywhere. The album did well in the US and amazingly in the UK.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 23, 2019 15:09:32 GMT -5
Don't know where you guys are getting info, but it is recognized as selling 6-7 million copies pretty much everywhere. The album did well in the US and amazingly in the UK. Says who? We know how much it sold. When you add it all up it doesn’t get anywhere near 7 million. People have fun of Wikipedia. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 15:14:44 GMT -5
Spotify Streaming Figures
Definitely Maybe: 286 591 404
(What's The Story) Morning Glory?: 1 484 438 995
The Masterplan: 163 250 326
Some other artists 90's albums in comparison
OK Computer: 621 069 669
Nevermind: 1 688 469 147
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Post by oasisunited on Dec 23, 2019 15:19:34 GMT -5
Don't know where you guys are getting info, but it is recognized as selling 6-7 million copies pretty much everywhere. The album did well in the US and amazingly in the UK. Not sure what you mean by "well" in the US, but it did not even achieve gold status (500k copies), according to the RIAA. It was in the US charts for about a week and maybe sold around 300,000 copies. That makes it very hard for it to get into the 6 to 7 million sold world wide category. The BPI has DBTT certified as 3x platinum, which for an album is 3x 300,000. So, together those two add up to about 1-1.5 million sold in the UK and US to date. I highly doubt that they sold 5 million copies around the rest of the world, which would mean the real physical sales total is probably around 2-3 million. |
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Post by Zingbot on Dec 23, 2019 15:34:39 GMT -5
Don't know where you guys are getting info, but it is recognized as selling 6-7 million copies pretty much everywhere. The album did well in the US and amazingly in the UK. Not sure what you mean by "well" in the US, but it did not even achieve gold status (500k copies), according to the RIAA. It was in the US charts for about a week and maybe sold around 300,000 copies. That makes it very hard for it to get into the 6 to 7 million sold world wide category. The BPI has DBTT certified as 3x platinum, which for an album is 3x 300,000. So, together those two add up to about 1-1.5 million sold in the UK and US to date. I highly doubt that they sold 5 million copies around the rest of the world, which would mean the real physical sales total is probably around 2-3 million. I don't know how it was achieved, but literally every article on it says it sold that many. Also it did well in the US. It reached #12 which was the highest achieved by Oasis since Be Here Now. |
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Post by Zingbot on Dec 23, 2019 15:43:12 GMT -5
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Post by Zingbot on Dec 23, 2019 15:46:32 GMT -5
You also should recognize that 6 million people don't need to buy an album for that album to sell 6 million copies. 6 million copies were almost certainly shipped, which accounts for that figure. Interesting to talk about regardless.
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Post by oasisunited on Dec 23, 2019 15:55:10 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean by "well" in the US, but it did not even achieve gold status (500k copies), according to the RIAA. It was in the US charts for about a week and maybe sold around 300,000 copies. That makes it very hard for it to get into the 6 to 7 million sold world wide category. The BPI has DBTT certified as 3x platinum, which for an album is 3x 300,000. So, together those two add up to about 1-1.5 million sold in the UK and US to date. I highly doubt that they sold 5 million copies around the rest of the world, which would mean the real physical sales total is probably around 2-3 million. I don't know how it was achieved, but literally every article on it says it sold that many. Also it did well in the US. It reached #12 which was the highest achieved by Oasis since Be Here Now. Chart position is meaningless to this debate, as its relative to how everything else is selling that week. Like everything else in the entertainment and retail industries, charts are seasonal. What really matters here is evidence of physical sales -- not copies shipped or estimates based on chart position. On that topic, we have statistics provided by both the RIAA in the US and BPI in the UK. Those numbers are not just for 2005 -- they are up to date, as those trade groups will keep certifying records as reaching the next tier based on reported sales. That being said, I highly doubt those numbers have changed in 10 years, as I doubt many shops still have the originals with the original barcodes in them. Therefore, at best they should around 1.5 million physical copies in the US and UK combined in 2005-2006. The only way you get close to 6-7 million is if you include all streams and downloads in the last decade since its release -- and even that is stretch. There is just no proof that the album did that well, as much as I would like to be able to claim they were that popular a decade after their supposed height. As to why the 7 million number is all over the Internet, it's the Internet. No one fact checks anything and just runs with what they believe to be the truth or get from another source that seems legit. This is all very ironic for this discussion. Perhaps this was Noel's master plan after all  . |
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Post by Zingbot on Dec 23, 2019 16:07:08 GMT -5
Thanks for quoting a post I made a while ago but not my more recent ones that help explain that one. You said it didn't do well, which made the chart position relevant.
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Post by oasisunited on Dec 23, 2019 16:11:07 GMT -5
Thanks for quoting a post I made a while ago but not my more recent ones that help explain that one. You said it didn't do well, which made the chart position relevant. Sorry...you posted about 3 times while I was still responding to the original one. If we are talking about units shipped, that is a different discussion about how many they expected to sell. No one in this thread has been talking about that (as far as I can tell) until you just brought it up. In fact, the title specifically refers to units "sold", which I think most people interpret to mean sold to consumers, not ordered by record stores/retailers. As to the charts, yes, you are right that the position is relevant to the "well" discussion. I should have been more clear about my point. I wasn't disagreeing with you that it did well for them at that time -- I was merely pointing out that it did not translate to sales for them, particularly in the US. Either way, the chart issue really has nothing to do with the main discussion here about how many that album actually sold and where the magical 7 million number came from. |
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Post by Zingbot on Dec 23, 2019 16:20:17 GMT -5
Ok, That's fair. I probably should have taken the typing thing into account. As to your other points, I'll say this: I consider sales to be how many copies were fairly sold, whether or not people bought them is statistically irrelevant. As the facts show, 6 million copies of DBTT were purchased, hence the 6 million figure.
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Post by oasisunited on Dec 23, 2019 16:32:18 GMT -5
Ok, That's fair. I probably should have taken the typing thing into account. As to your other points, I'll say this: I consider sales to be how many copies were fairly sold, whether or not people bought them is statistically irrelevant. As the facts show, 6 million copies of DBTT were purchased, hence the 6 million figure. And that may be the rub here: someone needs to define what "sold" means for this discussion. If the OP meant units ordered by retailers in expectation of moving that many units, then 6 million may have been possible world wide. If they meant actual sales that earn you certifications from the various trade groups, then it is no where near 6 million. Of course, this begs the other question about how much money was lost if 6-7 million units were produced, but only about 3-4 million sold. It's a miracle that they were even able to produce (or even wanted to, as the band were financing the whole thing themselves at that point) Dig Out Your Soul if that was the case. |
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Post by World71R on Dec 23, 2019 18:01:08 GMT -5
chartmasters.org/2017/12/cspc-oasis-popularity-analysis/Definitely Maybe (1994) America US – 1,130,000 Canada – 200,000 Argentina – N/A Brazil – 100,000 Mexico – N/A Asia – 665,000 Japan – 345,000 Oceania Australia – 135,000 New Zealand – 30,000 Europe – 4,160,000 UK – 2,795,000 France – 250,000 Germany – 250,000 Italy – 180,000 Spain – 75,000 Sweden – 100,000 Netherland – 30,000 Switzerland – 35,000 Austria – 15,000 Finland – 10,000 World – 6,680,000 (What’s the Story) Morning Glory? (1995) America US – 5,125,000 Canada – 980,000 Argentina – 75,000 Brazil – 240,000 Mexico – 180,000 Asia – 1,515,000 Japan – 675,000 Oceania Australia – 565,000 New Zealand – 120,000 Europe – 8,470,000 UK – 5,115,000 France – 600,000 Germany – 600,000 Italy – 450,000 Spain – 300,000 Sweden – 150,000 Netherland – 125,000 Switzerland – 75,000 Austria – 45,000 Finland – 40,000 World – 17,660,000 Be Here Now (1997) America US – 1,125,000 Canada – 240,000 Argentina – 40,000 Brazil – 260,000 Mexico – 125,000 Asia – 1,115,000 Japan – 640,000 Oceania Australia – 100,000 New Zealand – 25,000 Europe – 4,200,000 UK – 2,170,000 France – 340,000 Germany – 340,000 Italy – 380,000 Spain – 140,000 Sweden – 110,000 Netherland – 65,000 Switzerland – 45,000 Austria – 25,000 Finland – 30,000 World – 7,410,000 Standing on the Shoulder of Giants (2000) America US – 225,000 Canada – 70,000 Argentina – N/A Brazil – N/A Mexico – N/A Asia – 850,000 Japan – 520,000 Oceania Australia – 25,000 New Zealand – 7,500 Europe – 1,340,000 UK – 830,000 France – 75,000 Germany – 90,000 Italy – 100,000 Spain – 30,000 Sweden – 15,000 Netherland – 12,500 Switzerland – 25,000 Austria – 10,000 Finland – 5,000 World – 2,620,000 Heathen Chemistry (2002) America US – 170,000 Canada – 50,000 Argentina – 25,000 Brazil – 60,000 Mexico – 50,000 Asia – 520,000 Japan – 360,000 Oceania Australia – 45,000 New Zealand – 5,000 Europe – 1,740,000 UK – 1,135,000 France – 80,000 Germany – 100,000 Italy – 150,000 Spain – 25,000 Sweden – 10,000 Netherland – 7,500 Switzerland – 35,000 Austria – 10,000 Finland – 5,000 World – 2,750,000 Don’t Believe the Truth (2005) America US – 220,000 Canada – 55,000 Argentina – 25,000 Brazil – 35,000 Mexico – 30,000 Asia – 410,000 Japan – 280,000 Oceania Australia – 30,000 New Zealand – 7,500 Europe – 1,350,000 UK – 980,000 France – 50,000 Germany – 75,000 Italy – 65,000 Spain – 15,000 Sweden – 7,500 Netherland – 10,000 Switzerland – 17,500 Austria – 7,000 Finland – 2,000 World – 2,240,000 Dig Out Your Soul (2008) America US – 150,000 Canada – 30,000 Argentina – N/A Brazil – 45,000 Mexico – 10,000 Asia – 345,000 Japan – 240,000 Oceania Australia – 20,000 New Zealand – 5,000 Europe – 1,020,000 UK – 650,000 France – 70,000 Germany – 75,000 Italy – 65,000 Spain – 10,000 Sweden – 7,500 Netherland – 12,000 Switzerland – 10,000 Austria – 5,000 Finland – 2,000 World – 1,690,000 Physical Singles Sales – Part 1 As a reminder, the weighting is done with a 10 to 3 ratio between one album and one physical single. Definitely Maybe (1994) – 456,000 equivalent albums Shakermaker – 350,000 Live Forever – 370,000 Supersonic – 390,000 Cigarettes & Alcohol – 410,000 (What’s the Story) Morning Glory? (1995) – 1,334,000 equivalent albums Roll With It – 690,000 Wonderwall – 1,820,000 Don’t Look Back In Anger – 1,060,000 Some Might Say – 810,000 Morning Glory – 50,000 Champagne Supernova – 15,000 Be Here Now (1997) – 639,000 equivalent albums D’You Know What I Mean? – 1,130,000 Stand By Me – 570,000 Don’t Go Away – 40,000 All Around The World – 390,000 Standing on the Shoulder of Giants (2000) – 246,000 equivalent albums Go Let It Out – 490,000 Who Feels Love? – 170,000 Sunday Morning Call – 160,000 Physical Singles Sales – Part 2 Heathen Chemistry (2002) – 279,000 equivalent albums The Hindu Times – 330,000 Stop Crying Your Heart Out – 270,000 Songbird – 140,000 Little By Little – 190,000 Don’t Believe the Truth (2005) – 117,000 equivalent albums Lyla – 190,000 The Importance Of Being Idle – 120,000 Let There Be Love – 80,000 Dig Out Your Soul (2008) – 30,000 equivalent albums The Shock Of The Lightning – 60,000 I’m Outta Time – 20,000 Falling Down – 20,000 Orphan – 324,000 equivalent albums Whatever – 1,040,000 Remaining Singles – 40,000 Did the math and this adds up to be 44.475 million albums (including the equivalent album sales). Singles had 11.415 million sales and albums had 40.99 million sales. Very impressive stuff any way you shake it. |
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Post by freek on Feb 13, 2020 3:58:13 GMT -5
The thing with Don't Bgelieve Thè Truth selling 6 or 7 million copies is probably due to oasis' (and/or their management's) main goal of being an international superband. In order to be viewed as such, they needed a comeback, like U2, Green Day or Bon Jovi before them.
Actually, DBTT achieved some favorable milestones, such as being their first no 1 album in Japan, and their first with two no 1 singles in the UK since Be Here Now and the first ever to accomplish that in one calendar year, 2005. It also sold considerably better than its predecessor in the US.
With the claim of 6-7 million, they might have tried to create a new momentum for the band. However, in great part due to the collapsing CD-market, it didn't fully succeed, although I think it did well all things considered. I wouldn't bet on more than 3 million sales.
Could you give me your thoughts on this?
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Post by Zingbot on Feb 13, 2020 9:44:06 GMT -5
The thing with Don't Bgelieve Thè Truth selling 6 or 7 million copies is probably due to oasis' (and/or their management's) main goal of being an international superband. In order to be viewed as such, they needed a comeback, like U2, Green Day or Bon Jovi before them. Actually, DBTT achieved some favorable milestones, such as being their first no 1 album in Japan, and their first with two no 1 singles in the UK since Be Here Now and the first ever to accomplish that in one calendar year, 2005. It also sold considerably better than its predecessor in the US. With the claim of 6-7 million, they might have tried to create a new momentum for the band. However, in great part due to the collapsing CD-market, it didn't fully succeed, although I think it did well all things considered. I wouldn't bet on more than 3 million sales. Could you give me your thoughts on this? They were planning an international come back, particularly in the US. They wanted it to do BHN/DM type numbers. This(in my mind) is why they shipped out 6/7 million copies of DBTT. This, I believe is where that figure came from. |
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Post by freek on Feb 13, 2020 17:38:38 GMT -5
So there are like 3 or 4 million unsold copies of DBTT? That can be called unsuccesful. I wouldn't have guessed.
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Post by Zingbot on Feb 16, 2020 1:41:43 GMT -5
So there are like 3 or 4 million unsold copies of DBTT? That can be called unsuccesful. I wouldn't have guessed. Can it though? If I ship out 6mil and sell 4mil, did I succeed because I sold a lot, or a failure because I didn't meet the sales expectations? |
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Post by Zingbot on Feb 16, 2020 1:45:29 GMT -5
People are also just tallying up the certifications, this is a bad way of going about things. For example, let's say one certification is 5k and the next is 25k. If I sell 24k, certification says I sold 5k. This is why I've seen figures for MG that say 17mil, when in reality it did 22-23mil. Long story short, people are counting certified sales instead of actual sales.
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