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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 9, 2020 9:11:14 GMT -5
How many special people change?
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Post by shamumaybard on Mar 9, 2020 10:43:14 GMT -5
How many special people change? Hopefully never you otherwise there would be a total of zero daily shitposts. |
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Post by Zingbot on Mar 9, 2020 11:29:56 GMT -5
Often wondered myself where the reported 70m comes from. From what i can find id say Albums; DM - 8M MG - 18M BHN - 8M TM - 2M SOTSOG - 2M FTM - 1M HC - 3M DBTT - 3M STC - 3M DOYS - 1.5M TF - 2M TOTAL; 51.5M Singles; Wonderwall must be on at least 3M worldwide looking at certifications. Likewise, Id say Don’t Look Back In Anger is on at least 2M. Champagne Supernova is a US Gold single for 0.5M sales. All their other British Single Certifications add up to about 4M. Maybe add another 1M for all those singles’ sales elsewhere, and non-certified British singles (Who Feels Love, Sunday Morning Call, Falling Down etc.) I’d say its just over 60M worldwide. What depends is if you count the digital certifications of album tracks which weren’t singles. Morning Glory, Slide Away, The Masterplan, Rock N Roll Star and Acquiesce are Silver, She’s Electric is Gold, Half the World Away and Champagne Supernova are platinum. If they count, it could add an extra 1M or so. All in all, between 60 and 65M id say. But some might say......Im talking nonsense 😂 I think they've sold a lot more singles than you think. Probably well over 13million total. |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Mar 9, 2020 11:46:06 GMT -5
Often wondered myself where the reported 70m comes from. From what i can find id say Albums; DM - 8M MG - 18M BHN - 8M TM - 2M SOTSOG - 2M FTM - 1M HC - 3M DBTT - 3M STC - 3M DOYS - 1.5M TF - 2M TOTAL; 51.5M Singles; Wonderwall must be on at least 3M worldwide looking at certifications. Likewise, Id say Don’t Look Back In Anger is on at least 2M. Champagne Supernova is a US Gold single for 0.5M sales. All their other British Single Certifications add up to about 4M. Maybe add another 1M for all those singles’ sales elsewhere, and non-certified British singles (Who Feels Love, Sunday Morning Call, Falling Down etc.) I’d say its just over 60M worldwide. What depends is if you count the digital certifications of album tracks which weren’t singles. Morning Glory, Slide Away, The Masterplan, Rock N Roll Star and Acquiesce are Silver, She’s Electric is Gold, Half the World Away and Champagne Supernova are platinum. If they count, it could add an extra 1M or so. All in all, between 60 and 65M id say. But some might say......Im talking nonsense 😂 I think they've sold a lot more singles than you think. Probably well over 13million total. Ye I tried to be as prudent as I could, the 1m that i said was for all the other singles worldwide is likely understated, and BPI certifications may not be up to date (for example MG needs to be 16x platinum, not 15x). If you’re a bit more optimistic, assuming 13M singles gets you to about 65-66M. And thats probably how they came up with 70M, as unlike me theyll have included the widely used 22M figure for MG, which is an extra 4M. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 10, 2020 18:49:15 GMT -5
It’s about being real.
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Post by freek on Mar 17, 2020 10:16:27 GMT -5
Plus Parachutes, Rush, X&Y and Viva all combined to sell over 9 million in America alone. Oasis prob is at less than 7 million total over 7 albums. I think 7 mil. is about right. Oasis could've maintained success like Coldplay if they'd made smarter decisions. Well, I also think Coldplay, whose first albums I still really like, is more of a sellout than Oasis. Maybe smarter, but for me, also degenerating with MOR-songs and dance collaborations. Oasis maybe wasn't as popular, but kept their credibility to me. |
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Post by Zingbot on Mar 17, 2020 10:30:54 GMT -5
I think 7 mil. is about right. Oasis could've maintained success like Coldplay if they'd made smarter decisions. Well, I also think Coldplay, whose first albums I still really like, is more of a sellout than Oasis. Maybe smarter, but for me, also degenerating with MOR-songs and dance collaborations. Oasis maybe wasn't as popular, but kept their credibility to me. Never saw the problem with 'selling out'. Music is very competitive, aren't you supposed to aim for commercial success? Oasis didn't do dance music because they didn't want to, Coldplay did. It was Noel who was disappointed that The Verve wasn't commercially succeeding, and was happy when they moved in a more mainstream rock direction to achieve success. To each their own, but as long as the tunes are good, I couldn't care. |
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Post by freek on Mar 17, 2020 11:33:48 GMT -5
Well, I also think Coldplay, whose first albums I still really like, is more of a sellout than Oasis. Maybe smarter, but for me, also degenerating with MOR-songs and dance collaborations. Oasis maybe wasn't as popular, but kept their credibility to me. Never saw the problem with 'selling out'. Music is very competitive, aren't you supposed to aim for commercial success? Oasis didn't do dance music because they didn't want to, Coldplay did. It was Noel who was disappointed that The Verve wasn't commercially succeeding, and was happy when they moved in a more mainstream rock direction to achieve success. To each their own, but as long as the tunes are good, I couldn't care. True, and I think being a commercially succesful band was an aim for Oasis, which they achieved with MG, even bigger than anything Coldplay has ever done. But my disappointment in Coldplay comes from actually weaker tunes, especially in the 10s, and not being as socially and politically aware as their first years. Whereas Oasis kept being a rockband with the same attitude. I understand that's not really better, but I appreciate it more. |
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 17, 2020 11:43:58 GMT -5
Never saw the problem with 'selling out'. Music is very competitive, aren't you supposed to aim for commercial success? Oasis didn't do dance music because they didn't want to, Coldplay did. It was Noel who was disappointed that The Verve wasn't commercially succeeding, and was happy when they moved in a more mainstream rock direction to achieve success. To each their own, but as long as the tunes are good, I couldn't care. True, and I think being a commercially succesful band was an aim for Oasis, which they achieved with MG, even bigger than anything Coldplay has ever done. But my disappointment in Coldplay comes from actually weaker tunes, especially in the 10s, and not being as socially and politically aware as their first years. Whereas Oasis kept being a rockband with the same attitude. I understand that's not really better, but I appreciate it more. |
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Post by freek on Mar 17, 2020 12:28:30 GMT -5
Point taken! Nice one!
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Post by World71R on Mar 18, 2020 14:35:52 GMT -5
True, and I think being a commercially succesful band was an aim for Oasis, which they achieved with MG, even bigger than anything Coldplay has ever done. But my disappointment in Coldplay comes from actually weaker tunes, especially in the 10s, and not being as socially and politically aware as their first years. Whereas Oasis kept being a rockband with the same attitude. I understand that's not really better, but I appreciate it more. He has a valid point, though. GS and AHFOD weren't politically aware at all, and MX has some very, very loose elements of it but nothing as distinct as songs like Politik or Violet Hill. Everyday Life is a major shift, lyrically, for the band in going back to the more politically and socially aware direction all throughout the album. It follows the art rock style of VLV while being more rooted in what's actually going on in the World, rather than pairing elements of the French Revolution and modern-day society like VLV is. I'm glad you brought up Trouble in Town, though. That's a great song that brings back elements of A Rush of Blood... while being fresh. |
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 18, 2020 14:49:03 GMT -5
He has a valid point, though. GS and AHFOD weren't politically aware at all, and MX has some very, very loose elements of it but nothing as distinct as songs like Politik or Violet Hill. Everyday Life is a major shift, lyrically, for the band in going back to the more politically and socially aware direction all throughout the album. It follows the art rock style of VLV while being more rooted in what's actually going on in the World, rather than pairing elements of the French Revolution and modern-day society like VLV is. I'm glad you brought up Trouble in Town, though. That's a great song that brings back elements of A Rush of Blood... while being fresh. Were Coldplay ever really a politically aware band, though? Politik and Violet Hill were always the exceptions, never the rule. Parachutes isn't much of a political record. There's some social awareness on A Rush of Blood to the Head but it's hardly OK Computer. Coldplay's central themes have always been love, heartbreak, and overcoming insecurity. That's true in 2002 and it's true now. Their most socially aware record is Everyday Life, and that came out less than half a year ago, so I don't see how it's a particularly valid criticism. |
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Post by matt on Mar 18, 2020 15:56:43 GMT -5
Have Coldplay outsold Oasis? If so, when did they overtake? Surely significantly more, they must have outsold Oasis years ago? |
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Post by World71R on Mar 18, 2020 17:21:58 GMT -5
He has a valid point, though. GS and AHFOD weren't politically aware at all, and MX has some very, very loose elements of it but nothing as distinct as songs like Politik or Violet Hill. Everyday Life is a major shift, lyrically, for the band in going back to the more politically and socially aware direction all throughout the album. It follows the art rock style of VLV while being more rooted in what's actually going on in the World, rather than pairing elements of the French Revolution and modern-day society like VLV is. I'm glad you brought up Trouble in Town, though. That's a great song that brings back elements of A Rush of Blood... while being fresh. Were Coldplay ever really a politically aware band, though? Politik and Violet Hill were always the exceptions, never the rule. Parachutes isn't much of a political record. There's some social awareness on A Rush of Blood to the Head but it's hardly OK Computer. Coldplay's central themes have always been love, heartbreak, and overcoming insecurity. That's true in 2002 and it's true now. Their most socially aware record is Everyday Life, and that came out less than half a year ago, so I don't see how it's a particularly valid criticism. That's true to some extent. I think Coldplay has always been a very introspective band with a focus on universal inner emotions and feelings and things going on in life, which is where they're socially aware. I think GS and AHFOD were more personal and MX took place in an entirely different World, per se, than ours, so it wasn't socially or politically aware. The band has definitely reached a point where they've made their money and now they can do whatever the hell they want to do (which is why I think Chris said AHFOD was the end of something), and I hope their music contineus to reflect that. I would be truly sad if they went to a more hollow feel to their music, like MX and AHFOD felt like at times. I love MX for how organic it sounds at its core, and AHFOD has its moments, but many of the songs are pure poppy, "everyone will get it"-meaning songs, which isn't bad, but I feel like the band really has something to say and can still do it in a fun manner (see Orphans). |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 18, 2020 17:39:35 GMT -5
Were Coldplay ever really a politically aware band, though? Politik and Violet Hill were always the exceptions, never the rule. Parachutes isn't much of a political record. There's some social awareness on A Rush of Blood to the Head but it's hardly OK Computer. Coldplay's central themes have always been love, heartbreak, and overcoming insecurity. That's true in 2002 and it's true now. Their most socially aware record is Everyday Life, and that came out less than half a year ago, so I don't see how it's a particularly valid criticism. That's true to some extent. I think Coldplay has always been a very introspective band with a focus on universal inner emotions and feelings and things going on in life, which is where they're socially aware. I think GS and AHFOD were more personal and MX took place in an entirely different World, per se, than ours, so it wasn't socially or politically aware. The band has definitely reached a point where they've made their money and now they can do whatever the hell they want to do (which is why I think Chris said AHFOD was the end of something), and I hope their music contineus to reflect that. I would be truly sad if they went to a more hollow feel to their music, like MX and AHFOD felt like at times. I love MX for how organic it sounds at its core, and AHFOD has its moments, but many of the songs are pure poppy, "everyone will get it"-meaning songs, which isn't bad, but I feel like the band really has something to say and can still do it in a fun manner (see Orphans). I’d like to see them cut a legit 10-11 track band album again. Maybe even just the 4 guys in the room. See what happens. |
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 18, 2020 18:25:23 GMT -5
Were Coldplay ever really a politically aware band, though? Politik and Violet Hill were always the exceptions, never the rule. Parachutes isn't much of a political record. There's some social awareness on A Rush of Blood to the Head but it's hardly OK Computer. Coldplay's central themes have always been love, heartbreak, and overcoming insecurity. That's true in 2002 and it's true now. Their most socially aware record is Everyday Life, and that came out less than half a year ago, so I don't see how it's a particularly valid criticism. I would be truly sad if they went to a more hollow feel to their music, like MX and AHFOD felt like at times. I love MX for how organic it sounds at its core, and AHFOD has its moments, but many of the songs are pure poppy, "everyone will get it"-meaning songs, which isn't bad, but I feel like the band really has something to say and can still do it in a fun manner (see Orphans). I agree about A Head Full of Dreams, disagree about Mylo Xyloto. I honestly think some of Chris' best lyrics are on that album. I'd say it's a futuristic mirror image of Viva la Vida, with revolution and love remaining the key themes but with the God/Religious angle of Viva replaced with a dystopian, joy-versus-the-government idea. A way I interpreted the album at one point that it was how teenage heartbreak feels at the time taken literally: as if it really is a global conspiracy of society trying to suppress your love and creativity, as if it really is You Against the World, with all the melodrama and bombast that a teenager would feel about going through their first relationship journey. I don't think that's hollow even if it isn't about the Iraq War or Climate Change or some other big serious topic. I think when the band are firing on all four cylinders and Chris isn't lapsing into cliches too alarmingly, then Coldplay can make give silly things like love as much meat as anything else: |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Mar 18, 2020 21:47:51 GMT -5
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Post by guigsysEstring on Mar 18, 2020 21:56:35 GMT -5
Have Coldplay outsold Oasis? If so, when did they overtake? Surely significantly more, they must have outsold Oasis years ago? That I presume is verified sales and will include a mix of over-the-counter (sold to the public by retailers) and shipped (to the retailers) depending how they were logged and certified in each territory. |
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Post by freek on Mar 19, 2020 4:48:58 GMT -5
He has a valid point, though. GS and AHFOD weren't politically aware at all, and MX has some very, very loose elements of it but nothing as distinct as songs like Politik or Violet Hill. Everyday Life is a major shift, lyrically, for the band in going back to the more politically and socially aware direction all throughout the album. It follows the art rock style of VLV while being more rooted in what's actually going on in the World, rather than pairing elements of the French Revolution and modern-day society like VLV is. I'm glad you brought up Trouble in Town, though. That's a great song that brings back elements of A Rush of Blood... while being fresh. Were Coldplay ever really a politically aware band, though? Politik and Violet Hill were always the exceptions, never the rule. Parachutes isn't much of a political record. There's some social awareness on A Rush of Blood to the Head but it's hardly OK Computer. Coldplay's central themes have always been love, heartbreak, and overcoming insecurity. That's true in 2002 and it's true now. Their most socially aware record is Everyday Life, and that came out less than half a year ago, so I don't see how it's a particularly valid criticism. Well, it was probably also due to my age back then, but with focussing on Chris' hands with Make Trade Fair written on them, I heard songs like Don't Panic, Spies and God put a smile upon your face as very socially and politically (9/11) relevant. I have missed that the past years, but I should probably listen to their latest record better. |
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 19, 2020 11:22:09 GMT -5
Were Coldplay ever really a politically aware band, though? Politik and Violet Hill were always the exceptions, never the rule. Parachutes isn't much of a political record. There's some social awareness on A Rush of Blood to the Head but it's hardly OK Computer. Coldplay's central themes have always been love, heartbreak, and overcoming insecurity. That's true in 2002 and it's true now. Their most socially aware record is Everyday Life, and that came out less than half a year ago, so I don't see how it's a particularly valid criticism. Well, it was probably also due to my age back then, but with focussing on Chris' hands with Make Trade Fair written on them, I heard songs like Don't Panic, Spies and God put a smile upon your face as very socially and politically (9/11) relevant. I have missed that the past years, but I should probably listen to their latest record better. You'll definitely enjoy Everyday Life if social commentary is what you're after. But even their other 2010's material isn't devoid of it. Birds from A Head Full of Dreams, for instance, has lyrics about two lovers split by something akin to the Isreal-Palestine conflict ("guilty of nothing but geography") while Mylo has a lot of dystopian themes to it, particularly on tracks like Major Minus ("they've got one eye watching you, so be careful when you're walking into view") and Hurts Like Heaven, with it's images of everyday places smeared in graffiti-ed cries for help. Seriously, imagine if Thom Yorke had come out with "Written with a marker on a factory sign, I struggle with the feeling that my life isn't mine" - people would go mad for the social commentary! It's borderline Marxist! Another one is this underrated gem from the Ghost Stories era, written for the soldiers of World War One: |
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Post by matt on Mar 19, 2020 15:39:06 GMT -5
Surely significantly more, they must have outsold Oasis years ago? That I presume is verified sales and will include a mix of over-the-counter (sold to the public by retailers) and shipped (to the retailers) depending how they were logged and certified in each territory. There you have it. P.S. Great to see you back guigsysEstring! |
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Post by matt on Mar 19, 2020 15:41:12 GMT -5
Well, it was probably also due to my age back then, but with focussing on Chris' hands with Make Trade Fair written on them, I heard songs like Don't Panic, Spies and God put a smile upon your face as very socially and politically (9/11) relevant. I have missed that the past years, but I should probably listen to their latest record better. You'll definitely enjoy Everyday Life if social commentary is what you're after. But even their other 2010's material isn't devoid of it. Birds from A Head Full of Dreams, for instance, has lyrics about two lovers split by something akin to the Isreal-Palestine conflict ("guilty of nothing but geography") while Mylo has a lot of dystopian themes to it, particularly on tracks like Major Minus ("they've got one eye watching you, so be careful when you're walking into view") and Hurts Like Heaven, with it's images of everyday places smeared in graffiti-ed cries for help. Seriously, imagine if Thom Yorke had come out with "Written with a marker on a factory sign, I struggle with the feeling that my life isn't mine" - people would go mad for the social commentary! It's borderline Marxist! Another one is this underrated gem from the Ghost Stories era, written for the soldiers of World War One: There's never been a time when Coldplay haven't released what the kids call 'a banger' even on their poorest album and All Your Friends is one of their very best post-X&Y. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Mar 20, 2020 0:09:42 GMT -5
Thanks mattOn the subject of my return I'd like to pass heartfelt thanks on to any NHS staff on here from a now long term user of the service, and wish them all the best at such a testing time in history. Regarding the NHS and it's future I'll leave my thoughts via Joni Mitchell- |
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Post by freek on Apr 11, 2020 4:02:36 GMT -5
Another thing: does anybody know if DBTT has already topped 1 million sales in the UK? If so, Oasis would be one of the very few artists to reach 7 million-selling albums, and I don't know any to have more than 7.
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