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Post by freddy838 on Mar 2, 2014 11:09:28 GMT -5
I still think Flick of the Finger would be better off as an instrumental. Tbh I can't listen to that much of the album, it seems the best songs have been left off so that Liam had the biggest share of tracks. I prefer the tunes on DGSS, even if the production is less exciting. They were never going to get played on Radio 1 so the whole Zane Lowe fiasco was ridiculous, and ended up with the fans having a pop at the one DJ who would give them the time of day. I'm Just Saying and Start Anew are the most Radio 2/Absolute Radio friendly songs and would have been much better singles for the band. I think Liam's antics and Gem's injuries were the biggest factors at the end of the day, even if the correct marketing decisions had been made then it still would have gone the way of the pear. I wouldn't be surprised if Liam does a bit of guest vocals for other people, Andy does a bit with Ride and Gem joins Noel until the reunion happens in another 4 or 5 years.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Mar 2, 2014 14:18:12 GMT -5
I volunteer my services to run the band. I'd rather let Ash and Debris do it
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Mar 2, 2014 14:31:30 GMT -5
I volunteer my services to run the band. I'd rather let Ash and Debris do it I think lennon would do it quite well. his idea of not playing oasis songs, building up their identity as Beady Eye is not that bad. his single choices too.
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Post by jaq515 on Mar 2, 2014 14:58:20 GMT -5
I'd rather let Ash and Debris do it I think lennon would do it quite well. his idea of not playing oasis songs, building up their identity as Beady Eye is not that bad. his single choices too. Which they did for the whole 2 year cycle of DGSS (Also the sun article (I know I know) said that it was Scott Rodgers who persuaded them to do oasis songs. If they don't split I don't think they'll change now but it was their now ex mgt decision too)
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Mar 2, 2014 15:06:50 GMT -5
I think lennon would do it quite well. his idea of not playing oasis songs, building up their identity as Beady Eye is not that bad. his single choices too. Which they did for the whole 2 year cycle of DGSS (Also the sun article (I know I know) said that it was Scott Rodgers who persuaded them to do oasis songs. If they don't split I don't think they'll change now but it was their now ex mgt decision too) and it was a SHIT decision IMO. sure, there are alot people out there, who had never the chance to listen to Oasis songs, but Beady Eye should have stayed with their stuff.
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Post by jaq515 on Mar 2, 2014 15:15:21 GMT -5
Which they did for the whole 2 year cycle of DGSS (Also the sun article (I know I know) said that it was Scott Rodgers who persuaded them to do oasis songs. If they don't split I don't think they'll change now but it was their now ex mgt decision too) and it was a SHIT decision IMO. sure, there are alot people out there, who had never the chance to listen to Oasis songs, but Beady Eye should have stayed with their stuff. Yes am sure be irrelevant now as they'll probably spilt shortly and there won't be anymore live gigs. Though looking on the bright side no body died and it's probably fuelled a good % of the forums posts
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Mar 2, 2014 15:24:28 GMT -5
and it was a SHIT decision IMO. sure, there are alot people out there, who had never the chance to listen to Oasis songs, but Beady Eye should have stayed with their stuff. Yes am sure be irrelevant now as they'll probably spilt shortly and there won't be anymore live gigs. Though looking on the bright side no body died and it's probably fuelled a good % of the forums posts and why exactly do they have to split now? just because their manager fucked up their promotion. they fired him, so there are new roads, that they choose themselves in front of them.
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Post by jaq515 on Mar 2, 2014 15:35:00 GMT -5
Yes am sure be irrelevant now as they'll probably spilt shortly and there won't be anymore live gigs. Though looking on the bright side no body died and it's probably fuelled a good % of the forums posts and why exactly do they have to split now? just because their manager fucked up their promotion. they fired him, so there are new roads, that they choose themselves in front of them. They don't have to I hope they i don't but think been lot of turmoil surrounding them probably a lot more than we'll ever know. So realistically at least extended hiatus probably on the cards. Fingers crossed I'm wrong
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Mar 2, 2014 15:41:04 GMT -5
and why exactly do they have to split now? just because their manager fucked up their promotion. they fired him, so there are new roads, that they choose themselves in front of them. They don't have to I hope they i don't but think been lot of turmoil surrounding them probably a lot more than we'll ever know. So realistically at least extended hiatus probably on the cards. Fingers crossed I'm wrong I hope that too. In some bands, the hardest time get them the inspiration to their best work, so maybe after these 2 really horrible years, they have so much to throw out, that thei next output is moodier and deeper. BE was already much moodier, than the lighthearted and somehow naive DGSS. I hope they grow togehter as a band instead of drifting apart.
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Post by jaq515 on Mar 2, 2014 15:53:59 GMT -5
They don't have to I hope they i don't but think been lot of turmoil surrounding them probably a lot more than we'll ever know. So realistically at least extended hiatus probably on the cards. Fingers crossed I'm wrong I hope that too. In some bands, the hardest time get them the inspiration to their best work, so maybe after these 2 really horrible years, they have so much to throw out, that thei next output is moodier and deeper. BE was already much moodier, than the lighthearted and somehow naive DGSS. I hope they grow togehter as a band instead of drifting apart. I personally think both albums are great albums. Not technically great but do the job they need to do,I think they can be proud of those albums and will be a footnote in oasis history. It be nice if they do grow via this but i assume that what happened post oasis / pre bdi, then again when they split from Marcus. Liam's seem on one at the moment so can see them disbanding it, like lots have said andy could do great with ride reunion and noel would snap gem up in a second.
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Post by manic on Mar 2, 2014 15:54:38 GMT -5
People seem to be missing the positive here, the band recognised that the management was shite and acted accordingly, they had an album which while not being perfect was a vast improvement on DGSS, the only thing that has let them down this album cycle was the management and Gem being really unlucky and having a nasty fall, which thankfully he has recovered from. Hopefully they take their time with their next album, as they did with BE, and release a great 3rd album, hopefully with a single that does something in the charts.
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Post by jaq515 on Mar 2, 2014 16:07:10 GMT -5
People seem to be missing the positive here, the band recognised that the management was shite and acted accordingly, they had an album which while not being perfect was a vast improvement on DGSS, the only thing that has let them down this album cycle was the management and Gem being really unlucky and having a nasty fall, which thankfully he has recovered from. Hopefully they take their time with their next album, as they did with BE, and release a great 3rd album, hopefully with a single that does something in the charts. I think they've just had their day as a commercial entity, (this isn't a dig) but I'd rather they released BE an album they wanted than a commercial album like HFB (which noel said himself was a commercial album and AA was the album for him) Eventually all acts just fizzle away albums sell whatever they sell and you play the venues you can fill. They make music for the love of making music and if can fill out an academy or a church hall playing it too people that's what you do cos the buzz is them coming to see you etc etc I just don't think that ever be enough for Liam (think the others more than happy with that model) he wants to be the rock star he was in the 90s and if he doesn't temper his expectation (and leave noel to do his very successful thing as it's a competition Liam can't win) he'll end up with nothing
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 2, 2014 16:18:37 GMT -5
People seem to be missing the positive here, the band recognised that the management was shite and acted accordingly, they had an album which while not being perfect was a vast improvement on DGSS, the only thing that has let them down this album cycle was the management and Gem being really unlucky and having a nasty fall, which thankfully he has recovered from. Hopefully they take their time with their next album, as they did with BE, and release a great 3rd album, hopefully with a single that does something in the charts. I think they've just had their day as a commercial entity, (this isn't a dig) but I'd rather they released BE an album they wanted than a commercial album like HFB (which noel said himself was a commercial album and AA was the album for him) Eventually all acts just fizzle away albums sell whatever they sell and you play the venues you can fill. They make music for the love of making music and if can fill out an academy or a church hall playing it too people that's what you do cos the buzz is them coming to see you etc etc I just don't think that ever be enough for Liam (think the others more than happy with that model) he wants to be the rock star he was in the 90s and if he doesn't temper his expectation (and leave noel to do his very successful thing as it's a competition Liam can't win) he'll end up with nothing I would like to see Beady Eye's attempt at a commercial album. That usually means 1-2 hits, 2-3 good songs and then the rest filler. Part of enjoying a band is seeing them succeed and be liked by masses. It brings a whole new perspective to the music. Although, doesn't every band strive to be a commercial success? I don't think its a switch they decide to turn on and off.
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Post by jaq515 on Mar 2, 2014 16:42:08 GMT -5
I think they've just had their day as a commercial entity, (this isn't a dig) but I'd rather they released BE an album they wanted than a commercial album like HFB (which noel said himself was a commercial album and AA was the album for him) Eventually all acts just fizzle away albums sell whatever they sell and you play the venues you can fill. They make music for the love of making music and if can fill out an academy or a church hall playing it too people that's what you do cos the buzz is them coming to see you etc etc I just don't think that ever be enough for Liam (think the others more than happy with that model) he wants to be the rock star he was in the 90s and if he doesn't temper his expectation (and leave noel to do his very successful thing as it's a competition Liam can't win) he'll end up with nothing I would like to see Beady Eye's attempt at a commercial album. That usually means 1-2 hits, 2-3 good songs and then the rest filler. Part of enjoying a band is seeing them succeed and be liked by masses. It brings a whole new perspective to the music. Although, doesn't every band strive to be a commercial success? I don't think its a switch they decide to turn on and off. Yes and They have strived for that success and it's not happened. Maybe new album and new mgt will embrace YT make good videos (as YT plays will be part of the charts like the u.s by that point). Maybe they'll give them a real website/ social media and get some decent tv appearances / interviews If they get them to play the game If the music is good then another 2-3 yrs the guitar music cycle will be in full swing and they could get more penetration but who knows. Will 'the kids' wanna buy an album by 45 yr olds? Will they relate to the music like we did oasis' and DM.. Or will it be for r2 crowd like HFB? We all like to see people succeed id love seen BDI succeed and liked by the masses but they haven't been and guessing will never be, but I like them so what's it matter if they don't I like their music and been to more gigs gigs than can remember that's all the perspective needed isn't it?
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Post by standbymoi on Mar 2, 2014 18:45:03 GMT -5
A bit Off Topic of me but does anyone know what happened to that video they shot in a village pub up north?? Or what song it was meant for?
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Post by jaq515 on Mar 2, 2014 18:46:58 GMT -5
A bit Off Topic of me but does anyone know what happened to that video they shot in a village pub up north?? Or what song it was meant for? Sure the guy on here who's friend was part of the production said was for SBOTA? (I might be wrong)
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Post by whitesebastian on Mar 2, 2014 23:41:43 GMT -5
On another subject, whatever happened to Steve Allen? For a long time, he was a constant presence in Liam's life - showed up frequently in pics/interviews doing DGSS - but after his own legal troubles (he was accused of mailing a bullet to someone he had a bad business fallout with) he seemed to be MIA. I know he loomed large in Pretty Green and basically ran it - I've read mixed feedback as to how well that company is actually doing, with some saying it's barely holding on - and there was a point where Paul Gallagher who used to dj at PG stores said on twitter he would be doing no more PG. (And I don't think we see the band wearing it as much anymore.) When I bumped into Liam in Melbourne there was no Steve Allen, just two aussie guys, which I thought was strange. Also Paul was in Australia on the BDO tour, did anyone know this? He was on the side of stage in Melbourne at least, decked out in Pretty Green ...
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Post by vespa on Mar 3, 2014 10:02:18 GMT -5
pretty green is doing very well worldwide so god knows where you got your answer from for that , but i know somebody in the uk clothing industry and its actually one of the only brands that uses top top material and sticks to it , people say beady eye have failed but what exactly were there goals???to be able to release albums and tour which they are doing but dont forget that this band is liams band,they come across as a group but this is his thing no doubt about it.The only problem i had with BE was that they seemed to make the album to please people yet in doing so have created a really good album , they just should budget more on promotion.
Also the fact is liam is known as oasis simple as that and people will never buy into his new music
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Mar 3, 2014 13:32:06 GMT -5
I very much doubt the band or Liam fired Quest - I suspect it was the other way around. I've worked in management offices, and a band only usually fires if they are moving up to a better situation. More likely the band cancelled Coachella (probably over the legal issues in the U.S. regarding Liam's paternity issues - likely since Japan still seems to be happening) and Quest decided to end it, not over that issue alone, but perhaps over a general sense they could do no more than what they had already done with little results. The WORST thing they could do would be to put Debbie in as manager - by the looks of it, she was fairly junior at Quest and was handed one of the "smaller" bands on the roster to deal with. And then there's the spinal tap reality - and I'm only half joking here - remember in the movie when the girlfriend shows up as the new manager? Never sits well with others in the band. How could it? On another subject, whatever happened to Steve Allen? For a long time, he was a constant presence in Liam's life - showed up frequently in pics/interviews doing DGSS - but after his own legal troubles (he was accused of mailing a bullet to someone he had a bad business fallout with) he seemed to be MIA. I know he loomed large in Pretty Green and basically ran it - I've read mixed feedback as to how well that company is actually doing, with some saying it's barely holding on - and there was a point where Paul Gallagher who used to dj at PG stores said on twitter he would be doing no more PG. (And I don't think we see the band wearing it as much anymore.) My two cents on what the band needs to do - as much as it pains me to say, I don't think they should jump into another album. I really liked BE. I think this may be the period of time where they need to go an surprise us as individuals or a band - score an indie film, dabble in some other artistic pursuit, look to create music with some unexpected collaborators, give it some time and then set up a month long residency at a single small venue where they play/have guests/make it a happening by the sheer value of the small size and the lengthy residence. And then after a period of years, they might be able to give it a go again and be treated with renewed interest. And I say this purely from a business side - I love the band, don't want them to go away, and have virtually no interest in the HFB. But I think it is what they need to do. www.shortlist.com/cool-stuff/this-weeks-issue/ - Out this week!
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Post by cigarsinhell on Mar 4, 2014 21:11:17 GMT -5
BDI should have fired their "management" six months after signing with them. Quest did nothing for the band; maybe Scott Rodger was so busy with Macca and Arcade Fire that he didn't give them the type of attention they really needed--they should have been out touring more than twenty gigs in eight months; they needed a producer who was honest with them and ready to coax a commercial sound of them (and write choruses) instead of teaching them how to burn incense; the best single shouldn't have been a quiet internet freebie; and most of all, they needed staff members who could SOMEHOW stay out of bed with Liam. If a management company could be sued for malpractice, Quest should be.
The era of guitar bands is over for now--kids just want sex videos and rap music. Hardcore types like the ones on this forum will gratefully buy whatever product Noel or Liam release, but we're a dying breed. I hope LAG, Chris, and Jay stick it out. I want a permanent Oasis reunion desperately, but I don't see it happening at the moment unless NOEL needed the money.
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Post by 0as1s on Mar 5, 2014 6:18:43 GMT -5
People seem to be missing the positive here, the band recognised that the management was shite and acted accordingly, they had an album which while not being perfect was a vast improvement on DGSS, the only thing that has let them down this album cycle was the management and Gem being really unlucky and having a nasty fall, which thankfully he has recovered from. Hopefully they take their time with their next album, as they did with BE, and release a great 3rd album, hopefully with a single that does something in the charts. I think they've just had their day as a commercial entity, (this isn't a dig) but I'd rather they released BE an album they wanted than a commercial album like HFB (which noel said himself was a commercial album and AA was the album for him) Eventually all acts just fizzle away albums sell whatever they sell and you play the venues you can fill. They make music for the love of making music and if can fill out an academy or a church hall playing it too people that's what you do cos the buzz is them coming to see you etc etc I just don't think that ever be enough for Liam (think the others more than happy with that model) he wants to be the rock star he was in the 90s and if he doesn't temper his expectation (and leave noel to do his very successful thing as it's a competition Liam can't win) he'll end up with nothing I think this is the right answer. Even in the UK the general attitude towards him these days is indifference-actual dislike. Of course he will always have a cult following such as us so he will never be completely without an audience, but Beady Eye have never even threatened to capture the general public's imagination. His antics still make decent reading for the tabloid types, but musically for most people Liam ended when Oasis did. I don't mind Beady Eye myself, they are ok. 3 or 4 really quality songs, lots of decent and lots of shit. But that is coming from a die hard fan, so your casual Oasis singles type person probably couldn't even name a single tune from them. For Liam, I think the best direction to take would be to release a solo album with lots of guest appearances on it. Get Weller, Mani (are they still mates??), Marr, Serge Pizzorno, Miles Kane etc on there to help him with music and lyrics as to be fair, he does have a good eye for a melody. That type of album would create interest from all different places and if it did well would give him a whole new lease of life. Andy and Gem are solid blokes and band members but they've been writing with Liam for over 10 years now and have only really crafted (say) a dozen quality tunes in that time, it's not enough to stay relevant.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Mar 5, 2014 9:52:25 GMT -5
I think part of the problem is the fact that, as many have said, rock and roll just isn't particularly fashionable right now.
The reason Noel did so well with the HFB album was that he aimed it at the Radio 2 audience (ie pretty middle of the road) and the station duly played it. Even What A Life isn't exactly edgy.
Couple that with the fact that Noel is a great raconteur who makes an ideal chat show guest, giving him a lot more exposure than Liam, who goes on a show like Jools Holland and talks about nipples.
His chaotic personal life also means the big shows aren't going to be in a rush to book him and he's sunk even lower in the eyes of the general public whose perception for the last 20 years has pretty much been that "Noel's alright but Liam's a bit of a knob."
Beady Eye tried to push the boundaries on BE and I think, on the whole, it's a really good album. For me, some of the best tracks (FOTF, Iz Rite, Soon Come Tomorrow) eclipse a lot of the HFB material and are a lot more interesting.
The trouble is that they haven't pushed the radio friendly stuff, of which there isn't a huge amount, and consequently although the diehards might like it, the rest of the world either couldn't care less or simply never gets to hear it.
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Post by space75gr on Mar 13, 2014 4:17:58 GMT -5
If it was me I would have released Flick Of The Finger as the first single, show the new direction off n' all that. Jools Holland just have them play what they played. Then for the live performance on The Voice play Start Anew (not the acoustic version, the way they do it live) and do the mini tour thing the way they did. Soon Come Tomorrow as the next single going into the proper tour, and I would have had them on Jonathan Ross, Graham Norton etc. just playing live mind you, avoid any line of questioning that Liam wouldn't enjoy. Then they can do all the generic festivals as they did, although I would have had Glastonbury filmed. Off At The Next Exit would have been forced onto the album and made a single as well. That would maybe have worked better for them but who knows. spot on "Flick of The Finger" (new direction and sound, amazing track) and all that promo (stems, tv) then "Start Anew" (great "ballad", its hard not to like it and FGS play it on The Voice, easy to sing, easy to like) "Iz Rite" (and not Soon Comes tomorrow)for the summer with a video.the perfect summer single that could give them, imo, a new "the roller hit" "Off At The Next Exit" seems also a wise choice cause people seem to love that track and its definitely a great track "Soul Love" should also be a single and "i m just sayin" as a free download or a limited edition or even only as a video just to bring more people to them... (btw, so many great tunes to release!!!)
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Post by kingcrawler on Apr 3, 2014 16:52:30 GMT -5
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Post by space75gr on Apr 3, 2014 17:28:14 GMT -5
Scott Rodger named Manager of the Year.
i m not against their ex manager.imo, it was more about bad bad very bad luck.i think management did their job really good
its somehow easy to say now if something was right or wrong but at the time things seemed to go well. it was not management's fault that Gem had a problem with his health. probably the FOTF leak was a huge mistake, but do we know what really happened?
in every case i d love to read someday the "whole" story
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