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Post by bardes on Jun 26, 2013 10:46:32 GMT -5
It is better to be a rock star than a pop star for a teenager. Oasis will always be more mean than Williams.
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Post by tnh05 on Jun 27, 2013 13:20:37 GMT -5
This guy was absolutely massive. I'd say about as big as oasis were 95-98 at one point, around the time he did knebworth. Was he fuck! at the end of the day hes a pop star and not a rock star. but he was huge, didnt he do 3 nights at knebworth? he was massive across europe/asia/south america. i would definitely say a similar level of fame to oasis BHN. i think the record sales are pretty similar as well which backs this point up.
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Post by hopethinkknow on Jun 27, 2013 14:14:59 GMT -5
They both sold 70 million albums and were both massive, the problem with Robbie isn't writing without Chambers(Come Undone, Radio, Misunderstood, Tripping, Advertising Space etc. are all without him), even though they have some chemistry together (Chambers hasn't written anything good since they parted ways)... it's that he fucked up on drugs in circa 2006 and hasn't come back to his presence since. Now he has to release songs like Candy to stay relevant in the pop meaning of the word... his second single Different, which was a better tune I think, only reached 64 in UK, while Candy was his best selling single since Rock DJ.
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Post by cloudburster on Jun 27, 2013 15:47:02 GMT -5
Could Robbie have played 20 nights at Knebworth if he'd wanted to? Could he have sold 700 000 albums in 3 days in the UK? Could he have done fuck all in the US? No. He was big, very big, but not a patch on Oasis 1996-97. They were out of this stratosphere
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 19:45:41 GMT -5
They both sold 70 million albums and were both massive, the problem with Robbie isn't writing without Chambers(Come Undone, Radio, Misunderstood, Tripping, Advertising Space etc. are all without him), even though they have some chemistry together (Chambers hasn't written anything good since they parted ways)... it's that he fucked up on drugs in circa 2006 and hasn't come back to his presence since. Now he has to release songs like Candy to stay relevant in the pop meaning of the word... his second single Different, which was a better tune I think, only reached 64 in UK, while Candy was his best selling single since Rock DJ. Yeh but they are all still co-written, for instance, for Come Undone, Robbie was one of FOUR writers so the absence of Chambers wasn't really a problem if he as he could still churn out songs of decent quality as long as someone else would write them for him but as you say the drugs circa 2006 really screwed him over and now he has to release songs like Candy to stay relevant.
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Post by hopethinkknow on Jun 28, 2013 3:11:00 GMT -5
funnily enough, I found out that they're working together again... so far they've only released a song called The Brits 2013, but it seems that Chambers is back for a bigger project
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Post by mememe26 on Jun 29, 2013 5:44:08 GMT -5
Was he fuck! at the end of the day hes a pop star and not a rock star. but he was huge, didnt he do 3 nights at knebworth? he was massive across europe/asia/south america. i would definitely say a similar level of fame to oasis BHN. i think the record sales are pretty similar as well which backs this point up. See Cloudburster's post.
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Post by vespa on Jun 29, 2013 6:22:43 GMT -5
You seriously saying robbie williamsbwas as big as oasis at there peak??was you actually around when oasis peaked?!!seriously when on top oasis were the biggest band of the last 30 years.they were phenomenon .its not all about sales but even then they were selling millions of records.robbie hasnt sold what oasis have.they were literally headline news worldwide,mobbed at every airport,ticket sales.the hype and attention was massive.if you wasnt there u wouldnt know.but even till the end just because record sales were down they were still huge touring wise and were mobbed everywhere.and for idiots that say they didnt crack america well they did.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Jun 29, 2013 9:44:53 GMT -5
Robbie has and will never have a album as big as What's the story.
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Post by hopethinkknow on Jun 29, 2013 11:35:19 GMT -5
Williams has never been as big as Oasis at their top, (even though he holds a record fot selling 1.6 million tickets in a day) but he certainly surprised everybody who was writing him off back in 1995... give the guy a break, there must be something about him given the popularity level he reached (you don't probably sell so many records just for being a fucking fat fucking idiot)... his music actually isn't that bad for pop, I think some of his lyrics can happily stand next to Noel's... I mean give me him over Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Will.i.am and similar clowns any day
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 11:38:07 GMT -5
Williams has never been as big as Oasis at their top, (even though he holds a record fot selling 1.6 million tickets in a day) but he certainly surprised everybody who was writing him off back in 1995... give the guy a break, there must be something about him given the popularity level he reached (you don't probably sell so many records just for being a fucking fat fucking idiot)... his music actually isn't that bad for pop, I think some of his lyrics can happily stand next to Noel's... I mean give me him over Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Will.i.am and similar clowns any day Other people writing his songs. To be fair to him, he did have a good voice at one point as well, to sing other people's songs
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Post by mistakenidentity on Jun 29, 2013 12:08:28 GMT -5
Williams has never been as big as Oasis at their top, (even though he holds a record fot selling 1.6 million tickets in a day) but he certainly surprised everybody who was writing him off back in 1995... give the guy a break, there must be something about him given the popularity level he reached (you don't probably sell so many records just for being a fucking fat fucking idiot)... his music actually isn't that bad for pop, I think some of his lyrics can happily stand next to Noel's... I mean give me him over Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Will.i.am and similar clowns any day Other people writing his songs.
To be fair to him, he did have a good voice at one point as well, to sing other people's songs What makes you think that? From what I've read, it seems like he's very much involved in the songwriting process. Here's a quote about him from Stephen Duffy (his former songwriting/producing partner): "Rob is a hook machine. He just writes amazing hooks, one after the other. You're just left kind of with your mouth open, wondering which of these you are going to settle with because they are all equally great. It's amazing, you never know when the hooks will stop coming with him. So part of my job as a co-producer was grab things and make sure that nothing went to waste." www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep06/articles/duffy.htm
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Post by hopethinkknow on Jun 29, 2013 12:10:10 GMT -5
Chambers didn't write a good song without him, other 100 singers would have liked to get successful even with other people's songs, but no one did... he surely has contributed in no way to the music he produced, that's the only logical conclusion yeah...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 12:16:10 GMT -5
Other people writing his songs.
To be fair to him, he did have a good voice at one point as well, to sing other people's songs What makes you think that? From what I've read, it seems like he's very much involved in the songwriting process. Here's a quote about him from Stephen Duffy (his former songwriting/producing partner): "Rob is a hook machine. He just writes amazing hooks, one after the other. You're just left kind of with your mouth open, wondering which of these you are going to settle with because they are all equally great. It's amazing, you never know when the hooks will stop coming with him. So part of my job as a co-producer was grab things and make sure that nothing went to waste." www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep06/articles/duffy.htmDoesn't make him a good writer though. Liam has got an ear for a good melody but you can't call him a particularly good songwriter because his lyrics are generally quite poor. As I said before, some of the songs on his new album are co-written with three other people. How important is Robbie in the process of writing a three minute song when there are three other songwriters there? I'm guessing not very.
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Post by hopethinkknow on Jun 29, 2013 12:30:53 GMT -5
For example Intensive care album was written only with Duffy... did he write all the lyrics? I don't think so
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Post by manicsfan on Jul 8, 2013 4:12:02 GMT -5
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Post by cloudburster on Jul 8, 2013 19:27:11 GMT -5
Just seen that on Metacritic Rudebox has an average score of 53/100 and Heathen Chemistry has a 52/100. Haha, surely HC wasn't THAT bad??
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Post by oasis1409 on Jul 9, 2013 8:39:05 GMT -5
I would say Robbie has some great songs, even pretty Oasis-like. I don't follow his career and no nothing about him as personality but the fact he gets huge arena to be sold out is impressive and deserves some respect.
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Post by oasis1409 on Jul 9, 2013 8:45:12 GMT -5
...and yes, this forum and most of those who contribute here (me included) are biased towards all oasis-related but if you re Liam and then go and say: he's an idiot and that one is an idiot and he's doing shit and those are bad....I mean this can be classless sometimes. I would rather tell Liam to go and repair his f....g voice, take vocal courses or something in order to sound better and then slag off others )
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Post by oasis1409 on Jul 9, 2013 8:52:31 GMT -5
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Post by whitesebastian on Jul 9, 2013 9:14:49 GMT -5
... then Chris plays there 10 years later, doing Wonderwall, WITH OASIS, #notbad
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 9:48:21 GMT -5
...and yes, this forum and most of those who contribute here (me included) are biased towards all oasis-related but if you re Liam and then go and say: he's an idiot and that one is an idiot and he's doing shit and those are bad....I mean this can be classless sometimes. I would rather tell Liam to go and repair his f....g voice, take vocal courses or something in order to sound better and then slag off others ) Because Robbie Williams has such a good voice nowadays...
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Post by manicsfan on Jul 9, 2013 10:00:52 GMT -5
...and yes, this forum and most of those who contribute here (me included) are biased towards all oasis-related but if you re Liam and then go and say: he's an idiot and that one is an idiot and he's doing shit and those are bad....I mean this can be classless sometimes. I would rather tell Liam to go and repair his f....g voice, take vocal courses or something in order to sound better and then slag off others ) Some of the mad 4 it brigade are absolutely rattled by Robbie Williams.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 10:21:34 GMT -5
Liam should say something nice about someone at some point. It'd be refreshing.
(And before anyone mentions Justin Bieber and One Direction, I think there's a healthy dose of irony and sarcasm behind those comments.)
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 9, 2013 10:25:25 GMT -5
Liam should say something nice about someone at some point. It'd be refreshing. (And before anyone mentions Justin Bieber and One Direction, I think there's a healthy dose of irony and sarcasm behind those comments.) Liam is very nice to the 1960s, The Beatles, John Lennon, The Stone Roses and Brian Jones.
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