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Post by cloudburster on Jun 20, 2013 16:16:07 GMT -5
Was it 25 nights at Knebworth Oasis could've played?
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Post by dontgoaway92 on Jun 20, 2013 16:19:43 GMT -5
There's probably some bitterness there. And it's understandable... Oasis sound alot more like the Stone Roses than the Beatles. Yet Oasis came onto the scene and got a huge amount of success.
Meanwhile, the Stone Roses career was a right mess... first album was great, then their manager fucked around with them alot and it all came crashing down after just one album. Then they had to witness a band who were not only less technically gifted than them, but also very similar in sound and heavily influenced go on and pack out the hockey arenas stateside... they even got handed a Grammy nomination, which alot of people will knock, but it's evidence how far Oasis managed to get pushed in media hype.
I'm surprised they got on well with the Gallaghers in the first place... Mani strikes me as someone who doesn't care either way, John was prepared to get on stage at Knebworth so I suspect he took the "If you can't beat 'em" attitude. Ian seemed to get on well with Noel, I can't see him being all that great with Liam... very similar persona's, Liam heavily influenced by him.
You only have to look at the other Manchester bands to get a feel of the envy towards Oasis... The Smiths fans are the worst, totally fucked off with Oasis.
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Post by joladella on Jun 20, 2013 16:27:27 GMT -5
Didn't John Squire also write "Love me and leave me" together with Liam, for the Seahorses? There is this lovely story around somewhere that he came to Liam for an aspirin or sth like that and they ended up writing that song or at least the words.
I think it is a pity that this story about a fight or no fight has developed like that. I like the Stone Roses very much, too. Lately I have gotten into Brown's solo stuff which I also very much enjoy. Who cares about better or not and who is the bigger whatever? Great bands, interesting guys, great music.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 20, 2013 16:44:17 GMT -5
There's probably some bitterness there. And it's understandable... Oasis sound alot more like the Stone Roses than the Beatles. Yet Oasis came onto the scene and got a huge amount of success. Meanwhile, the Stone Roses career was a right mess... first album was great, then their manager fucked around with them alot and it all came crashing down after just one album. Then they had to witness a band who were not only less technically gifted than them, but also very similar in sound and heavily influenced go on and pack out the hockey arenas stateside... they even got handed a Grammy nomination, which alot of people will knock, but it's evidence how far Oasis managed to get pushed in media hype. I'm surprised they got on well with the Gallaghers in the first place... Mani strikes me as someone who doesn't care either way, John was prepared to get on stage at Knebworth so I suspect he took the "If you can't beat 'em" attitude. Ian seemed to get on well with Noel, I can't see him being all that great with Liam... very similar persona's, Liam heavily influenced by him. You only have to look at the other Manchester bands to get a feel of the envy towards Oasis... The Smiths fans are the worst, totally fucked off with Oasis. I don't really get a lot of this. Why would there be bitterness? Does every band that's not had the same impact or sales have to be bitter? Its not Oasis's fault The Roses fell apart, they brought it on themselves. I'd say Liam and Noel were inspired by the roses but I don't think there influence on the music is that heavy and while Oasis were inferior musicians they had a better singer and a better songwriter. Liam I think stylistically was influenced by Brown early on but Liam has been cooler since about Christmas 1994.
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Post by cloudburster on Jun 20, 2013 17:22:40 GMT -5
At 1.29 - "I like Oasis as people, they're great lads. I don't musically."
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Post by WirralRiddler on Jun 20, 2013 17:32:19 GMT -5
"The Sex Pistols are the best band that's ever been," Brown told Reuters in a recent interview. "I think they've got the best set of songs any band has had, any time." "They showed us as kids ... that you didn't have to be some middle-class virtuoso musician. It was all about expressing yourself and it didn't matter where you came from - you could get into music and that's what [Rotten] showed us." And there is still no one, he said - including his former band - who hold a candle to what the Sex Pistols were doing in their prime. "No one ever [has come close]. Nowhere near. In the last 30 years there's not been anyone. People haven't got that courage that they had" ----------------------------- People seem to forget how influential the Pistols were in Manchester, and to me this is where Oasis also have the edge, Liam brings a bit of Pistols to the sound with his voice, especially on DM. And the wall of sound oasis have going on, A lot more than i hear in any Roses songs anyway. And songs like Fade away and Headshrinker just scream Pistols at me personally. Thats why i think the Roses fans get a bit carried away thinking all oasis do is mimic the roses, they have a lot more strings to their bow than just that, thats the beauty of Oasis, you can hear the Beatles, Pistols, Roses and others all mixed into one, gloriously triumphant package.
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Post by cloudburster on Jun 20, 2013 17:44:09 GMT -5
And a bit of Stones and The Who as well
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Post by Rolo on Jun 20, 2013 17:46:15 GMT -5
To say Ian Brown is equal with Liam as a singer is maybe one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.
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Post by MacaRonic on Jun 20, 2013 19:05:50 GMT -5
As much as I like The Roses (their debut album is awesome) Ian Brown is the most awkward fucker of a singer of all time.
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Post by GlastoEls on Jun 20, 2013 20:29:47 GMT -5
Come on lads - Oasis versus the Roses?
We're on the same team.
The enemy is elsewhere.
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Post by Bruno on Jun 20, 2013 23:15:23 GMT -5
IMO The Stone Roses are overrated, the first album is good but to say it's the best album ever is ridiculous. I seriously don't get the hype over it.
I think they're like The La's in that respect, their whole aura is based around the thought of what might have been.
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Post by Headmaster on Jun 20, 2013 23:33:03 GMT -5
I prefer The Happy Mondays.
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Post by GIMH on Jun 21, 2013 0:24:56 GMT -5
Did I really just read someone saying that Ian Brown is a better singer on record than Liam?
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Post by dreamweaver on Jun 21, 2013 2:27:52 GMT -5
I feel if the Roses released a new album it would be turd and I just hope to god they don't.
Have their little tour and earn the money they probably could have and should have made all those years ago and a bit of the limelight, they certainly deserve that.
But don't make another album, it will end up like "Forth" by the Verve which I hated.
You have a legacy, leave it at that.........
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Post by Ltrain on Jun 21, 2013 2:37:14 GMT -5
To say the Roses have better songs is just hilarious. Noel wrote wayyyyyyy better melodies than anything the roses put out.
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Post by stoneroses on Jun 21, 2013 6:51:10 GMT -5
Oasis are to The Stone Roses what The Monkeys were to The Beatles. No contest. Think this photo just about sums it up. Manchester's finest The Stone Roses!! Oasis don't even touch the soles of the Roses feet. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 7:12:22 GMT -5
The Stone Roses shouldn't be put in the same sentence as The Beatles.
Poor singer, small catalogue, very average lyrics... meh
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Post by cloudburster on Jun 21, 2013 7:16:18 GMT -5
Oasis are to The Stone Roses what The Monkeys were to The Beatles. No contest. Think this photo just about sums it up. Manchester's finest The Stone Roses!! Oasis don't even touch the soles of the Roses feet.You're making yourself look silly now
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Post by WirralRiddler on Jun 21, 2013 7:28:01 GMT -5
stoneroses - you're boring us now mate, you'd have just as much joy if you tried to convince us that Busted or McFly were also better than Oasis. Not happening mate, no one cares. I like the Roses don't get me wrong, great band just not nowhere near to the greatness of Oasis. You obviously find this hard to accept so this place is probably not the place for you.
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Post by WirralRiddler on Jun 21, 2013 7:41:00 GMT -5
Did you see that bit i posted about Ian Brown on the sex pistols, and how they are still miles ahead of any band since, including the Roses? Ian Browns own words, so all this talk of 'better musicians' is absolutely irrelevent. Oasis have the better Singer, The better songwriter, more attitude more swagger and tons of better songs.
Its completely laughable to me to suggest the Roses are better, but each to their own i guess.
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Post by stoneroses on Jun 21, 2013 10:27:58 GMT -5
Did you see that bit i posted about Ian Brown on the sex pistols, and how they are still miles ahead of any band since, including the Roses? Ian Browns own words, so all this talk of 'better musicians' is absolutely irrelevent. Oasis have the better Singer, The better songwriter, more attitude more swagger and tons of better songs. Its completely laughable to me to suggest the Roses are better, but each to their own i guess. Yeah I did see that and that is his opinion just like Liam and Noels opinion on the Roses. I suppose we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this subject. I do agree that Liam is a better singer than Brown, but I totally disagree about Oasis having more swagger, better songs and a better songwriter. Brown and Squire's lyrics on the roses songs are a work of art which can be touched by no one!! Anyway we are all entitled to our own opinion, I do actually really like Oasis in fact they are my third favorite band of all time behind The Stone Roses and The Doors. I just don't think Oasis are as good or as talented as the Roses, but like you said each to their own. Thought I'd leave with an all time classic from a very young and raw Stone Roses. Oh and the person this thread was originally about Reni - The best drummer of our generation doing his thing. The technique involved in doing this is on another planet.
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Post by Bruno on Jun 21, 2013 12:49:06 GMT -5
Chris Sharrock is the drummer of our generation, thank you very much.
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Post by acrosstheuniverse on Jun 21, 2013 14:04:27 GMT -5
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Post by yeayeayeah on Jun 21, 2013 14:32:28 GMT -5
Chris Sharrock is the drummer of our generation, thank you very much. Chris wasn't really an Oasis drummer though. Stones Roses debut is brilliant but Oasis are better overall. it doesn't really matter though, its all just preference.
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Post by Bruno on Jun 21, 2013 14:38:56 GMT -5
Chris Sharrock is the drummer of our generation, thank you very much. Chris wasn't really an Oasis drummer though. Stones Roses debut is brilliant but Oasis are better overall. it doesn't really matter though, its all just preference. Technically no, but I really love his drumming. IMO he's one of the best drummers around today. His drumming is one of the few reasons I actually listen to Different Gear, Still Speeding nowadays. He really adds a lot to the music for me at least.
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