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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 7:13:54 GMT -5
Style and class? Ian Brown is a 50 year old man who still wears tracksuits... He looks like he lives on a council estate and spends all day standing outside an off-licence necking cheap grog No this is not great photo, however Ian brown has never been one for wearing a suit or a tie (in fact this is probably the only one that he owns). He only wore this one because he had to go to court. So judging his style and class on this one off photo is pretty pathetic. And I suppose you call this real class!!! No doubt he's not one for wearing a suit after that picture. This picture doesn't have a suit... ...But it does have a 50 year old man wearing an adidas tracksuit top, probably faux leather as well... The definition of class and style right there
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Post by skinfullofdope on Jun 20, 2013 7:25:06 GMT -5
i think suit is being kind!!!! more like council donkey jacket robbed of a bin man!!!
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Post by WirralRiddler on Jun 20, 2013 7:35:17 GMT -5
Liam Gallagher > Ian Brown
Oasis > Stone Roses
That is all.
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Post by stoneroses on Jun 20, 2013 8:40:57 GMT -5
Liam Gallagher > Ian Brown Oasis > Stone Roses That is all. HaHaHa, Your having a laugh if you think that. Although I really like Oasis they are not even in the same league as The Stone Roses!!!! and even Liam himself would admit that! Liam Gallagher on The Stone Roses quote: “They’re the best band ever to come out of Manchester.” "It's like Quadrophenia for me, do you know what I mean? It's a live moment. I've started feeling different man. They're the best band in the world man,"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 9:06:18 GMT -5
Liam Gallagher > Ian Brown Oasis > Stone Roses That is all. HaHaHa, Your having a laugh if you think that. Although I really like Oasis they are not even in the same league as The Stone Roses!!!! and even Liam himself would admit that! Liam Gallagher on The Stone Roses quote: “They’re the best band ever to come out of Manchester.” "It's like Quadrophenia for me, do you know what I mean? It's a live moment. I've started feeling different man. They're the best band in the world man," Ok, ok, let's stop right there. Fair enough if like The Stone Roses but to say they're better than Oasis is ridiculous. You may as well say that Gerry and the Pacemakers were better than The Beatles whilst you're at it... The Stone Roses released only two albums and one of them got panned, compared to Oasis who released seven studio albums and a compilation album of b-sides that they couldn't fit on their albums including songs like The Masterplan and Acquiesce because they were so damn good in their prime. Ian Brown is a poor-man's Liam Gallagher and Noel Gallagher is a superior songwriter to both Ian Brown and John Squire put together.
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Post by WirralRiddler on Jun 20, 2013 9:12:31 GMT -5
Liam Gallagher > Ian Brown Oasis > Stone Roses That is all. HaHaHa, Your having a laugh if you think that. Although I really like Oasis they are not even in the same league as The Stone Roses!!!! and even Liam himself would admit that! Liam Gallagher on The Stone Roses quote: “They’re the best band ever to come out of Manchester.” "It's like Quadrophenia for me, do you know what I mean? It's a live moment. I've started feeling different man. They're the best band in the world man," Glad you found it funny mate but i wasn't joking, Liam is entitled to his own opinion and so are you, but i totally disagree. Oasis are WAY ahead of the roses in my own, honest opinion. For the record i wouldn't even say the Roses were the 2nd best band to come out of Manchester, id give that to the Smiths, personally.
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Post by stoneroses on Jun 20, 2013 9:41:54 GMT -5
HaHaHa, Your having a laugh if you think that. Although I really like Oasis they are not even in the same league as The Stone Roses!!!! and even Liam himself would admit that! Liam Gallagher on The Stone Roses quote: “They’re the best band ever to come out of Manchester.” "It's like Quadrophenia for me, do you know what I mean? It's a live moment. I've started feeling different man. They're the best band in the world man," Glad you found it funny mate but i wasn't joking, Liam is entitled to his own opinion and so are you, but i totally disagree. Oasis are WAY ahead of the roses in my own, honest opinion. For the record i wouldn't even say the Roses were the 2nd best band to come out of Manchester, id give that to the Smiths, personally. I don't usually like picking apart a band by it's influences, but with Oasis I don't think you'd be too far off the mark by saying that The Stone Roses and The Beatles basically mapped out the band's blueprint. At least for their earlier stuff, in my opinion. Oasis were good but were no where near as talented as The Roses or The Smiths, I wouldn't even put Oasis as the Third best band to come out of Manchester, I would give that to the Happy Mondays. HaHa Noel Gallagher Quote: 'I have seen the Roses play some amazing shows, once the bass line to Adored kicks in - you have to hold your hands up and say OK, you are the best band in the world'
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Post by WirralRiddler on Jun 20, 2013 9:49:26 GMT -5
Glad you found it funny mate but i wasn't joking, Liam is entitled to his own opinion and so are you, but i totally disagree. Oasis are WAY ahead of the roses in my own, honest opinion. For the record i wouldn't even say the Roses were the 2nd best band to come out of Manchester, id give that to the Smiths, personally. I don't usually like picking apart a band by it's influences, but with Oasis I don't think you'd be too far off the mark by saying that The Stone Roses and The Beatles basically mapped out the band's blueprint. At least for their earlier stuff, in my opinion. Oasis were good but were no where near as talented as The Roses or The Smiths, I wouldn't even put Oasis as the Third best band to come out of Manchester, I would give that to the Happy Mondays. HaHa Fair play mate, made me laugh anyway. But to me that down plays the influence of other bands like The Who, The Kinks and The Sex Pistols. Begs the question though why are you here? Have the Roses not got a forum?
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Post by thetruth on Jun 20, 2013 10:09:26 GMT -5
I don't usually like picking apart a band by it's influences, but with Oasis I don't think you'd be too far off the mark by saying that The Stone Roses and The Beatles basically mapped out the band's blueprint. At least for their earlier stuff, in my opinion. Oasis were good but were no where near as talented as The Roses or The Smiths, I wouldn't even put Oasis as the Third best band to come out of Manchester, I would give that to the Happy Mondays. HaHa Noel Gallagher Quote: 'I have seen the Roses play some amazing shows, once the bass line to Adored kicks in - you have to hold your hands up and say OK, you are the best band in the world' What ? The Roses are the best band coming from Manchester ? The smiths, Joy division/New order and Oasis are miles ahead of them. The Roses have ONE good album, that's all, and this album is far behind DM, MG, The Queen is dead and so on. To me they are at the level of the Happy Mondays, a very important band at the time, they're part of Manchester music scene history, they were really big, they've influenced many bands and they've made at least One great album, with some greats songs that will live forever like I am the resurection of she bangs the drum. And they're very good live for the Roses. But come on, the very short back catalogue of The Roses doesn't stand the comparision with Oasis or the Smiths, Ian brown may have influenced Liam, but Liam is one of the best singer of all time, Ian Brown isn't really a singer at all. They've not achieved the cultural impact of bands like Oasis or Joy division-New order. It's not even a question of taste of sales, they're just not as important in music history as thoses bands. They're mostly unknwon outside of the uk.
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Post by jez123 on Jun 20, 2013 10:12:32 GMT -5
am i the only person that thinks the stone roses are massively overrated.
Yes they made a good debut album, but honestly Ian Brown can not sing for his life. Liam in his prime was easily one of the best vocalists of his time.
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Post by cloudburster on Jun 20, 2013 11:01:21 GMT -5
1 good (over rated) album and 1 poor album and The Roses are better than Oasis? Ok then...
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Post by jez123 on Jun 20, 2013 11:38:52 GMT -5
1 good (over rated) album and 1 poor album and The Roses are better than Oasis? Ok then... Amen. Seriously, They don't even come close to what Oasis have achieved i.e legacy, b-sides, albums, gigs, chart performance, awards and so on. Sure, they influenced Noel and Liam. But Liam and Noel took that and made it into a world wide phenomena and created a culture especially from 94-97.
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Post by cloudburster on Jun 20, 2013 11:59:28 GMT -5
Yeah and just because Noel and Liam say the Roses are 'the best band ever' doesn't mean they are right or we have to agree with them. They talk a lot of shit
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Post by madeofstone on Jun 20, 2013 13:50:03 GMT -5
am i the only person that thinks the stone roses are massively overrated. Yes they made a good debut album, but honestly Ian Brown can not sing for his life. Liam in his prime was easily one of the best vocalists of his time. And I am one of many who think Oasis are massively overrated!!!!!! All Oasis songs sound the same and that 1st Stone Roses album is way better than DM by a fucking mile!! In my opinion even Second Coming is better than DM!! Thing with the Roses is they have the balls and talent to try something different and they still manage to smash it. The Roses are the most original band ever and if not for unforeseen events would have gone on to be as big if not bigger than the Beatles (Musically they have more talent than the Beatles!). Music is not all about singing, tune into the X factor if you like vocalists or the Voice!
Oh and Liam is definitely not the best singer in the world!!! hahahah
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Post by Bruno on Jun 20, 2013 13:50:59 GMT -5
am i the only person that thinks the stone roses are massively overrated. Yes they made a good debut album, but honestly Ian Brown can not sing for his life. Liam in his prime was easily one of the best vocalists of his time. And I am one of many who think Oasis are massively overrated!!!!!! All Oasis songs sound the same and that 1st Stone Roses album is way better than DM by a fucking mile!! In my opinion even Second Coming is better than DM!! Thing with the Roses is they have the balls and talent to try something different and they still manage to smash it. The Roses are the most original band ever and if not for unforeseen events would have gone on to be as big if not bigger than the Beatles (Musically they have more talent than the Beatles!). Music is not all about singing, tune into the X factor if you like vocalists or the Voice!
Oh and Liam is definitely not the best singer in the world!!! hahahah Dude, wrong forum.
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Post by madeofstone on Jun 20, 2013 13:55:38 GMT -5
I don't usually like picking apart a band by it's influences, but with Oasis I don't think you'd be too far off the mark by saying that The Stone Roses and The Beatles basically mapped out the band's blueprint. At least for their earlier stuff, in my opinion. Oasis were good but were no where near as talented as The Roses or The Smiths, I wouldn't even put Oasis as the Third best band to come out of Manchester, I would give that to the Happy Mondays. HaHa Noel Gallagher Quote: 'I have seen the Roses play some amazing shows, once the bass line to Adored kicks in - you have to hold your hands up and say OK, you are the best band in the world' What ? The Roses are the best band coming from Manchester ? The smiths, Joy division/New order and Oasis are miles ahead of them. The Roses have ONE good album, that's all, and this album is far behind DM, MG, The Queen is dead and so on. To me they are at the level of the Happy Mondays, a very important band at the time, they're part of Manchester music scene history, they were really big, they've influenced many bands and they've made at least One great album, with some greats songs that will live forever like I am the resurection of she bangs the drum. And they're very good live for the Roses. But come on, the very short back catalogue of The Roses doesn't stand the comparision with Oasis or the Smiths, Ian brown may have influenced Liam, but Liam is one of the best singer of all time, Ian Brown isn't really a singer at all. They've not achieved the cultural impact of bands like Oasis or Joy division-New order. It's not even a question of taste of sales, they're just not as important in music history as thoses bands. They're mostly unknwon outside of the uk. Did you seriously just say The Stone Roses weren't important in music history and that they are at the same level as the Happy Mondays!!!! I think that comment just shows how much you know about music. If they were not important how on earth did they manage to sell out (in record breaking time) just over 210,000 people over 3 nights at Heaton Park? Do you think Happy Mondays could sell out 210,000 people in 60 mins ? Oh and the Stone Roses 1st album is one of the the best albums if not the best album of all time and this is backed up time and time again by being voted at least in the top 3 albums of all time every year since it was released!
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Post by Bruno on Jun 20, 2013 13:58:50 GMT -5
What ? The Roses are the best band coming from Manchester ? The smiths, Joy division/New order and Oasis are miles ahead of them. The Roses have ONE good album, that's all, and this album is far behind DM, MG, The Queen is dead and so on. To me they are at the level of the Happy Mondays, a very important band at the time, they're part of Manchester music scene history, they were really big, they've influenced many bands and they've made at least One great album, with some greats songs that will live forever like I am the resurection of she bangs the drum. And they're very good live for the Roses. But come on, the very short back catalogue of The Roses doesn't stand the comparision with Oasis or the Smiths, Ian brown may have influenced Liam, but Liam is one of the best singer of all time, Ian Brown isn't really a singer at all. They've not achieved the cultural impact of bands like Oasis or Joy division-New order. It's not even a question of taste of sales, they're just not as important in music history as thoses bands. They're mostly unknwon outside of the uk. Did you seriously just say The Stone Roses weren't important in music history and that they are at the same level as the Happy Mondays!!!! I think that comment just shows how much you know about music. If they were not important how on earth did they manage to sell out (in record breaking time) just over 210,000 people over 3 nights at Heaton Park? Do you think Happy Mondays could sell out 210,000 people in 60 mins ? Oh and the Stone Roses 1st album is one of the the best albums if not the best album of all time and this is backed up time and time again by being voted at least in the top 3 albums of all time every year since it was released! Let's see them do that anywhere outside England.
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Post by ManofMisery on Jun 20, 2013 14:03:57 GMT -5
I love both bands, but to say The Stone Roses were/are better than Oasis is just insane. Oasis have the better singer and the better songwriter without a shadow of a doubt. Also Definitely maybe is the best debut album ever.
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Post by cloudburster on Jun 20, 2013 14:16:23 GMT -5
What ? The Roses are the best band coming from Manchester ? The smiths, Joy division/New order and Oasis are miles ahead of them. The Roses have ONE good album, that's all, and this album is far behind DM, MG, The Queen is dead and so on. To me they are at the level of the Happy Mondays, a very important band at the time, they're part of Manchester music scene history, they were really big, they've influenced many bands and they've made at least One great album, with some greats songs that will live forever like I am the resurection of she bangs the drum. And they're very good live for the Roses. But come on, the very short back catalogue of The Roses doesn't stand the comparision with Oasis or the Smiths, Ian brown may have influenced Liam, but Liam is one of the best singer of all time, Ian Brown isn't really a singer at all. They've not achieved the cultural impact of bands like Oasis or Joy division-New order. It's not even a question of taste of sales, they're just not as important in music history as thoses bands. They're mostly unknwon outside of the uk. Did you seriously just say The Stone Roses weren't important in music history and that they are at the same level as the Happy Mondays!!!! I think that comment just shows how much you know about music. If they were not important how on earth did they manage to sell out (in record breaking time) just over 210,000 people over 3 nights at Heaton Park? Do you think Happy Mondays could sell out 210,000 people in 60 mins ? Oh and the Stone Roses 1st album is one of the the best albums if not the best album of all time and this is backed up time and time again by being voted at least in the top 3 albums of all time every year since it was released! Polls and sales mean nothing. If they did, Oasis still blow the Roses out of the water on both fronts.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 20, 2013 14:36:08 GMT -5
Really, who the fuck is Reni? He's the drummer on one of my favourite albums of all time but he couldn't even make it to the end the first time around.
It must have been pretty easy for him to show that t-shirt in front of thousands of fan's at finsbury. The funny thing being that for all the bravado The Stone Roses at finsbury were clearly a band going through the motions. No new material, flat crowd, dropping great songs so they could stretch out Fool's Gold for another few minutes.
Its the danger inherent with trading off one great album and a few great b-sides. I look forward to them putting there necks on line and new music out there. Until then, they should probably remember the crowd's are there because of a mythic band they became after they split up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 14:39:51 GMT -5
am i the only person that thinks the stone roses are massively overrated. Yes they made a good debut album, but honestly Ian Brown can not sing for his life. Liam in his prime was easily one of the best vocalists of his time. And I am one of many who think Oasis are massively overrated!!!!!! All Oasis songs sound the same and that 1st Stone Roses album is way better than DM by a fucking mile!! In my opinion even Second Coming is better than DM!! Thing with the Roses is they have the balls and talent to try something different and they still manage to smash it. The Roses are the most original band ever and if not for unforeseen events would have gone on to be as big if not bigger than the Beatles (Musically they have more talent than the Beatles!). Music is not all about singing, tune into the X factor if you like vocalists or the Voice!
Oh and Liam is definitely not the best singer in the world!!! hahahah The Stone Roses better than Definitely Maybe? Second Coming better than Definitely Maybe?
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Post by madeofstone on Jun 20, 2013 14:41:29 GMT -5
Did you seriously just say The Stone Roses weren't important in music history and that they are at the same level as the Happy Mondays!!!! I think that comment just shows how much you know about music. If they were not important how on earth did they manage to sell out (in record breaking time) just over 210,000 people over 3 nights at Heaton Park? Do you think Happy Mondays could sell out 210,000 people in 60 mins ? Oh and the Stone Roses 1st album is one of the the best albums if not the best album of all time and this is backed up time and time again by being voted at least in the top 3 albums of all time every year since it was released! Polls and sales mean nothing. If they did, Oasis still blow the Roses out of the water on both fronts. There would be no Oasis if there was no Stone Roses! Lets go over a few things here: Drums: Reni > Tony McCarrol - Not even a contest. Bass: Mani > Guigsy - Again, not even close Guitar: John > Noel + Bonehead - Noel and Bonehead had some cool dual guitar action but John could do more with one than they could do with both. Vocals: Ian = Liam - Although Ian's vocal style was better on records, Liam topped him as a live singer. Although Ian has more swagger!Calling this one a tie. Songwriting: The Roses were better at taking their influences and evolving them into something new whereas Oasis had a tendency to just mimic. The Roses also created songs that were more varied in style. Roses win this. Live: Ian is not a great live singer, but the Roses still put on a great show. Oasis also put on a great show. however after being to 12 Oasis gigs and 4 Stone Roses gigs I have to say the Roses win this one due to there intense performances and and euphoric atmosphere. So clearly The Stone Roses are the better band. Anyway this is my last post on here, as I'm never gunna win on an Oasis forum!! Nice one Cheers!!
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Post by cloudburster on Jun 20, 2013 14:54:52 GMT -5
Polls and sales mean nothing. If they did, Oasis still blow the Roses out of the water on both fronts. There would be no Oasis if there was no Stone Roses! Lets go over a few things here: Drums: Reni > Tony McCarrol - Not even a contest. Bass: Mani > Guigsy - Again, not even close Guitar: John > Noel + Bonehead - Noel and Bonehead had some cool dual guitar action but John could do more with one than they could do with both. Vocals: Ian = Liam - Although Ian's vocal style was better on records, Liam topped him as a live singer. Although Ian has more swagger!Calling this one a tie. Songwriting: The Roses were better at taking their influences and evolving them into something new whereas Oasis had a tendency to just mimic. The Roses also created songs that were more varied in style. Roses win this. Live: Ian is not a great live singer, but the Roses still put on a great show. Oasis also put on a great show. however after being to 12 Oasis gigs and 4 Stone Roses gigs I have to say the Roses win this one due to there intense performances and and euphoric atmosphere. So clearly The Stone Roses are the better band. Anyway this is my last post on here, as I'm never gunna win on an Oasis forum!! Nice one Cheers!! Roses have maybe 10 good songs, Oasis have 60+. Oasis win. Strange that you made an account just to say that, anyway, don't let the door hit you on the way out! Cheers!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 15:06:43 GMT -5
Polls and sales mean nothing. If they did, Oasis still blow the Roses out of the water on both fronts. Vocals: Ian = Liam - Although Ian's vocal style was better on records, Liam topped him as a live singer. Although Ian has more swagger!Calling this one a tie. Ian better on record? He whispered down the mic all the time because he can't hit a note to save his life whereas Liam belts it out with attitude and sneer.
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Post by jez123 on Jun 20, 2013 15:59:45 GMT -5
What ? The Roses are the best band coming from Manchester ? The smiths, Joy division/New order and Oasis are miles ahead of them. The Roses have ONE good album, that's all, and this album is far behind DM, MG, The Queen is dead and so on. To me they are at the level of the Happy Mondays, a very important band at the time, they're part of Manchester music scene history, they were really big, they've influenced many bands and they've made at least One great album, with some greats songs that will live forever like I am the resurection of she bangs the drum. And they're very good live for the Roses. But come on, the very short back catalogue of The Roses doesn't stand the comparision with Oasis or the Smiths, Ian brown may have influenced Liam, but Liam is one of the best singer of all time, Ian Brown isn't really a singer at all. They've not achieved the cultural impact of bands like Oasis or Joy division-New order. It's not even a question of taste of sales, they're just not as important in music history as thoses bands. They're mostly unknwon outside of the uk. Did you seriously just say The Stone Roses weren't important in music history and that they are at the same level as the Happy Mondays!!!! I think that comment just shows how much you know about music. If they were not important how on earth did they manage to sell out (in record breaking time) just over 210,000 people over 3 nights at Heaton Park? Do you think Happy Mondays could sell out 210,000 people in 60 mins ? Oh and the Stone Roses 1st album is one of the the best albums if not the best album of all time and this is backed up time and time again by being voted at least in the top 3 albums of all time every year since it was released! yeah took them only what nearly 20 years for them to play to that many people. With all the hype the press gave them after getting back. Of course they would have big live shows. Take that played to more people than stone roses. Does that say they are more important? And by your logic and definition of of "importance" then Oasis absolutely thrash the stone roses! with concert attendances around the world (not just in the uk). don't even mention records sales.
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