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Post by nyr401994 on Jun 10, 2008 21:26:33 GMT -5
haven't heard the record yet. don't intend to until the release date.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jun 11, 2008 8:08:44 GMT -5
Having now listened to the album practically non-stop for the best part of four days, I can now honestly say I'm very impressed with it. Lovers In Japan and Strawberry Swing have grown on me no-end, and Death & All His Friends improves with every listen. Fooking great stuff, no question, and certainly not a 'final nail in the coffin'.
Like it or not, Coldplay are one step ahead, and Oasis are going to have to release something very, very special to match them.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 12, 2008 0:06:28 GMT -5
Having now listened to the album practically non-stop for the best part of four days, I can now honestly say I'm very impressed with it. Lovers In Japan and Strawberry Swing have grown on me no-end, and Death & All His Friends improves with every listen. Fooking great stuff, no question, and certainly not a 'final nail in the coffin'. Like it or not, Coldplay are one step ahead, and Oasis are going to have to release something very, very special to match them. One step ahead? DBTT got better reviews than X+Y, and despite your new found love for Viva La Vida, most are disappointed still. Oasis got ahead with DBTT, and with tunes like RM coming our way, they will remain far far ahead of boring, whiny Chris Martin
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Post by costello on Jun 12, 2008 0:57:34 GMT -5
" Whiny " like in STOP THE CLOCKS you mean?
Why do you always have to make music a sport... instead of art.. Saying " this album is better than this one ", " this band is greater " blah blah blah whatever, bullshit. You sound like a teenager talking about his fav' football team
Reviews are just the reflect of somebody's point of view... mood or feeling.. It's not " universal speaking "
And for RECORD MACHINE, I like this tune... very much.. but it's nothing more than a " ALL AROUND THE WORLD/WHATEVER " sequel
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 12, 2008 1:11:21 GMT -5
" Whiny " like in STOP THE CLOCKS you mean? Why do you always have to make music a sport... instead of art.. Saying " this album is better than this one ", " this band is greater " blah blah blah whatever, bullshit. You sound like a teenager talking about his fav' football team Reviews are just the reflect of somebody's point of view... mood or feeling.. It's not " universal speaking " And for RECORD MACHINE, I like this tune... very much.. but it's nothing more than a " ALL AROUND THE WORLD/WHATEVER " sequel Let me direct you to the numbnut above who started it: "Like it or not, Coldplay are one step ahead" - Supersonic, who must be on some serious acid trip if he came to the conclusion You slag off Oasis, you deal with me,
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Post by costello on Jun 12, 2008 4:08:56 GMT -5
I like Supersonic Mr Oasis's knight
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jun 12, 2008 18:40:43 GMT -5
You slag off Oasis, you deal with me. You need to get a fucking grip, pal. You put yourself up on a pedestal, proclaiming Oasis' greatness as though you're the only one who sees it. They're still my favourite band, and they always will be. Difference is that some of us aren't so blinded by 'loyalty' that we can't see what's staring us right in the face. You don't like Viva La Vida. That's fair enough; it's your opinion and you're entitled to it, just like I am mine. But in the scheme of present-day music, Coldplay are a bigger (and arguably better) band than Oasis. Compare sales of X&Y to sales of Don't Believe The Truth. Consider that Coldplay's fourth LP undoubtedly betters Oasis' fourth. Do Oasis even have the inspiration to pen songs with as much musical depth and variation as those on Viva La Vida? I'd love to be able to say yes, but after fifteen years of touring and songwriting I don't know they've still got the energy or enthusiasm to do so. Oasis had their day in the 90's; fuck, they were the 90's. Still, that was eight years ago, and they're not the top dogs anymore. I'd love them to blow me away with their new album, and if I think it's better than Viva La Vida I'll be on here shouting it from the metaphorical rooftops. Problem is, I don't believe it. Oh, and if their new tracks are anything to go by, I reckon there's a good chance The Verve will better the pair of them.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 12, 2008 23:08:39 GMT -5
You slag off Oasis, you deal with me. Compare sales of X&Y to sales of Don't Believe The Truth. Consider that Coldplay's fourth LP undoubtedly betters Oasis' fourth. Mate, there's always a way to twist numbers for your liking: In 2008, Don't Believe the Truth was voted the 14th best British album of the last 50 years by a poll conducted by Q Magazine and HMV. ^That's quite an achievement if you think about it.
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Jun 12, 2008 23:28:01 GMT -5
X&Y may have outsold DBTT but it wasn't better. A lot of bands albums outsold DBTT but they weren't better albums and if were judging it on that, I don't think Oasis has lost it.
I guess Nickelback, Kaiser Chiefs, Maroon 5, My Chemical Romance, Panic At The Disco etc. are better bands right now b/c their albums released around 2005 all outsold DBTT and how many of those bands or albums wer better than DBTT?
The fact that you don't believe Oasis's new album won't be better b/c of their popularity now is slightly ridiculous. Their time in the sun for a media buzz is over. Just like how Green Day sold 12 million copies of 'Dookie' and around 5 million of American Idiot. No matter what a band does, they have their moment in the sun, then it's over regardless of the 'quality' of the work that they do.
X&Y was mostly a flop but Chris & Co. are media darlings unlike certain brothers that we know.
Hell.....New Kids On The Block are coming back.....I bet their album outsells both of them. Let's crown them a better band!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 13, 2008 0:04:35 GMT -5
X&Y may have outsold DBTT but it wasn't better. A lot of bands albums outsold DBTT but they weren't better albums and if were judging it on that, I don't think Oasis has lost it. I guess Nickelback, Kaiser Chiefs, Maroon 5, My Chemical Romance, Panic At The Disco etc. are better bands right now b/c their albums released around 2005 all outsold DBTT and how many of those bands or albums wer better than DBTT? The fact that you don't believe Oasis's new album won't be better b/c of their popularity now is slightly ridiculous. Their time in the sun for a media buzz is over. Just like how Green Day sold 12 million copies of 'Dookie' and around 5 million of American Idiot. No matter what a band does, they have their moment in the sun, then it's over regardless of the 'quality' of the work that they do. X&Y was mostly a flop but Chris & Co. are media darlings unlike certain brothers that we know. Hell.....New Kids On The Block are coming back.....I bet their album outsells both of them. Let's crown them a better band! Exactly. X+Y sold well because of the anticipation. AROBTTH was amazing, so many people bought the follow up. But it turned out dissapointing. The same thing happened with Oasis and BHN - anticipation after WTSMG so people bought BHN, but it dissapointed. Viva La Vida will sell less than X+Y because of X+Y's disappointment, the same way that less people bought SOTSOG after BHN Yes, we're all entitled to our opinions....but the general consensus is that X+Y was a disappointment and DBTT was a return to form. If you give me a choice between selling more but a crap album, or selling less and a better album, i pick the latter every day. And since DBTT was looked upon favorably, Oasis have the head start with that regard - they are guarunteed to have the same success as DBTT, perhaps more....while Coldplay's Viva La Vida will probably sell less than X+Y
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jun 13, 2008 7:50:05 GMT -5
There were other points, you know, and not just the one about album sales.
Besides, bringing up bands like the Kaiser Chiefs and Nickelback is folly. I'm not saying that album sales are the definitive method of defining every band's quality; I'm saying that they're a swaying point when discussing the present-day popularity of two comparably big bands with proven quality and consistency over a decent period of time (or in this case, Oasis and Coldplay).
And so much for Viva La Vida 'suffering' on the back of X&Y; it's sauntering to the number one slot over here at the moment. They're estimating a quarter of a million sales in three days; not bad going (and don't mention Be Here Now, for fucks sake - it's irrelevant). It's actually on course to match first-week sales of X&Y.
And the 'general consensus', as you so put it, sounds suspiciously like your own opinion. Both albums were reviewed quite favourably, in my recollection.
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Post by ash on Jun 13, 2008 9:01:48 GMT -5
And the 'general consensus', as you so put it, sounds suspiciously like your own opinion agreed i remember a recent thread were he said something along the lines of he asked his friends that liked coldplay if they liked the album or not, and most of them said they didnt, therefore the album is a dissapointment and he sees that as fact it doesnt take a genius to figure out his sample probably isnt statistically significant, infact i dont no why this guy is allowed an opinion on anything remember when he claimed the zanzibar recording of stc was fake because he claimed noel said the word clocks funny the guys a lemon pay no attention to him
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Jun 13, 2008 15:43:11 GMT -5
You can slice it or dice it anyway you want. Was DM a better album than MG? It seems that it beats MG by say a 60-40 split (at least everytime Oasis fans do a poll), but MG way outsold DM. Why? MG had songs that appeal to the everyday casual listener. My mom can get into WW, DLBIA and CS but may cringe w/ MG b/c it's a harder song. DM was raw and pretty rawkus most of the way through.
Coldplay is appealing to the soccer moms of America (ohh....he's married to Paltrow etc.). They buy 3 albums a year.
I find a lot of Coldplay songs boring and X&Y boring...hell most of Parachutes boring.
So in my mind Oasis has not lost it b/c they are playing the songs and style that I like. If they lost it to the masses that bought MG.....who cares.
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Post by mrmojorisen on Jun 14, 2008 12:46:18 GMT -5
I like the band but this album is very weak.
Three good songs (Voilet hill,Lover in japan "1st part", Viva la vida) and the rest are piss poor.
Bad album by a top band and the clobber they are wearing on the promo tour for this tour well says it a ll "shocking".
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Post by Dominic on Jun 15, 2008 8:55:42 GMT -5
i still think DBTT is pants, a dreadful album, and ive not been as big of an Oasis fan since, they lost all real spark with it, i still go back almost weekly to listen to HC and the others but DBTT i dont even think i phyiscally own anymore, for me X & Y was a far better album (not that it was hard) and the leg of the tour i saw personally was slightly average. still a great band, but come october they have alot to prove. Coldplay and Oasis are completely different bands, and are not in compatition at all. Oasis have had theyre day, and its Coldplays era at the top of the pile, except it and dont attack Coldplay Hero thats still unsung, not to be rude, but really, if you dislike Coldplay, dont listen to them anymore and stop posting, because your opinion is coming across very naive, it may not be, but thats how it is coming across.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jun 15, 2008 9:02:05 GMT -5
live4evr's problem is that he just doesn't believe the truth.
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Post by StepOut on Jun 15, 2008 11:48:02 GMT -5
i still think DBTT is pants, a dreadful album, and ive not been as big of an Oasis fan since, they lost all real spark with it, i still go back almost weekly to listen to HC and the others but DBTT i dont even think i phyiscally own anymore, for me X & Y was a far better album (not that it was hard) and the leg of the tour i saw personally was slightly average. still a great band, but come october they have alot to prove. Coldplay and Oasis are completely different bands, and are not in compatition at all. Oasis have had theyre day, and its Coldplays era at the top of the pile, except it and dont attack Coldplay Hero thats still unsung, not to be rude, but really, if you dislike Coldplay, dont listen to them anymore and stop posting, because your opinion is coming across very naive, it may not be, but thats how it is coming across. Well said my friend.
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Post by Cast on Jun 15, 2008 12:41:45 GMT -5
pssht DBTT is oasis's third best i think. HC is where they just seemed to lose inspiration. I enjoy coldplay quite a bit. I love the first two and those two are both some of the best albums made this decade. X&Y was a let down but it has some of coldplays best songs. I prefer DBTT to it because it was fresh and exciting and well produced. X&Y was too over produced and such but its still a solid album. Now this new album from Coldplay. It has its moments. Cemeteries of London, Lovers In Japan/Reign Of Love, Strawberry Swing, the first part of Death And All His Friends and the last part of yes are all quite good. None of them made me go wow unlike the other albums. Maybe its not my cup of tea like DBTT is not for you. Also yes Oasis is out of their "prime' but they still create some of the best songs that any band has produced. I think they understand that with DBTT because it was so new they were not trying to write another MG or relive past glories (aka HC) and tried something fresh and it worked wonders. Coldplay on the other hand is in there prime years but with 2 lack luster releases in 6 years expect something to happen. But both bands are great great bands.
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Post by lionsden® on Jun 15, 2008 16:02:00 GMT -5
i still think DBTT is pants, a dreadful album, and ive not been as big of an Oasis fan since, they lost all real spark with it, i still go back almost weekly to listen to HC and the others but DBTT i dont even think i phyiscally own anymore, for me X & Y was a far better album (not that it was hard) and the leg of the tour i saw personally was slightly average. still a great band, but come october they have alot to prove. Coldplay and Oasis are completely different bands, and are not in compatition at all. Oasis have had theyre day, and its Coldplays era at the top of the pile, except it and dont attack Coldplay Hero thats still unsung, not to be rude, but really, if you dislike Coldplay, dont listen to them anymore and stop posting, because your opinion is coming across very naive, it may not be, but thats how it is coming across.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 15, 2008 17:17:43 GMT -5
i still think DBTT is pants, a dreadful album, and ive not been as big of an Oasis fan since, they lost all real spark with it, i still go back almost weekly to listen to HC and the others but DBTT i dont even think i phyiscally own anymore, for me X & Y was a far better album (not that it was hard) and the leg of the tour i saw personally was slightly average. still a great band, but come october they have alot to prove. Coldplay and Oasis are completely different bands, and are not in compatition at all. Oasis have had theyre day, and its Coldplays era at the top of the pile, except it and dont attack Coldplay Hero thats still unsung, not to be rude, but really, if you dislike Coldplay, dont listen to them anymore and stop posting, because your opinion is coming across very naive, it may not be, but thats how it is coming across. my fist will come across you if you dont shut up
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jun 15, 2008 17:21:18 GMT -5
Yeah well my Dad can beat up your Dad.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 15, 2008 17:27:33 GMT -5
Yeah well my Dad can beat up your Dad. but i can beat up you. the entire 118lbs of me will own your fat ass anyday
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Post by masterplan200 on Jun 15, 2008 17:56:05 GMT -5
One thing Coldplay are regularly accused of is formula, (a bit like everyone's favourite scratching post, Nickelback) - but I don't blame them for not taking significant risks with their stuff, as with the obvious exception of Radiohead, the closed minded jerks will tear apart any band that tries it. That is something as a power metal fan (not hijacking thread here) I know too well
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jun 15, 2008 18:46:55 GMT -5
Yeah well my Dad can beat up your Dad. but i can beat up you. the entire 118lbs of me will own your fat ass anyday Are you being sarcastic, or have I just been called fat and threatened over the internet by a nine-stone kid living on the other side of the Atlantic ocean?
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Post by Orrin on Jun 15, 2008 19:00:38 GMT -5
live4evr's problem is that he just doesn't believe the truth.
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