janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Nov 2, 2017 12:19:25 GMT -5
I'm a relatively new fan of Oasis. but I can remember when I first started to really get into and them the biggest thing I noticed were all the comments on how horrible Liam was. At that point I started to really like Noel because he was in the spotlight more, there were more interviews, and in the interviews Liam had at the time he was pretty dull. So I started to agree with most of what Noel was saying because if you're a casual fan, Liam comes across a bit of a dick. My opinion was only heightened when reading all the comments on YouTube, Liam's twitter, or even when you do a simple search for Liam, the comments are unbelievably mean. It felt like no one was on his side for anything, no matter what he did he was always the "luckiest man in music". When I became a bigger fan of Oasis, the more I started to warm to Liam, I still love Noel though. But when I became a bigger fan of Noel I found out he was coming to Cleveland and I went to go listen to his music and had a hard time really getting into it; then Beady Eye randomly came on to playlist I was listening to and I enjoyed some of their music. So when I saw people's reviews of Beady Eye and Liam in particular I was a bit confused because I didn't think they were half as bad as people were making them out to be. Reading people's comments on here about Noel's new music doesn't seem to be as harsh as any comment Liam has gotten, while the reviews aren't all positive they all seem to take an optimistic tone, while the negative comments on any Liam venture seem to take a more pessimistic tone. I will say though, some of the harsher comments of Noel I've seen are on Instagram, not really on here. I think there's a slight difference because Noel has a reputation of amongst his fans of not putting out poor music, so going on past experiences people have enjoyed his music so why would this time be any different. My experience is similar to yours as I'm a relatively new fan as well. I knew and liked the Oasis hits from my college days but nothing more beyond that (I'm in the US). When I got dragged to see Supersonic last year my friend had to tell me which brother was which. So I consider myself a relatively blank slate going into that film. I think Matt Whitecross did Liam a lot of good in that film -- I came out of there and read books, old interviews, watched DVDs, YouTube clips, etc., bought all the Oasis CDs and even checked out NGHFB and Beady Eye on Spotify. Neither solo projects wowed me very much but I was taken aback by all the venom spewed at Liam in many of the YT comments -- much harsher and more prevalent than those directed at Noel -- particularly those blaming Liam for the demise of Oasis and branding him as the untalented brother who was negligible to Oasis' success. It just didn't seem a fair characterization to me. So I have to say I'm delighted for his current success. I will always think the brothers are better together than they are apart so I want equal footing for them and I see the current state of affairs as just the world balancing things out. To everything there is a season, as they say.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Nov 1, 2017 23:29:54 GMT -5
I’m all for the Noel criticisms - mostly because I think he’s turned into a complete dick and disappeared up his celeb-primed arse - but I think those on here who are saying put the brakes on and see how the album works as a cohesive whole still have a point. I think HM is turgid schmaltz...but it kinda makes sense when it follows FK. Noel is still a spoon though 🙂 so does that mean Liam is a fork in a world of soup? I always find a fork handy with soup (for spearing solids or twirling noodles). It's the spoon that's superfluous since you can just sip out of the bowl/cup.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Nov 1, 2017 12:44:32 GMT -5
I wanted Noel to change the Oasis set lists up from about 2000 onwards and am a big fan of the AA remixes of previous tracks but HM and STMHTF are just terrible (quite like FN as an opener)- any other artist/singer released them and they'd be slated. Genuinely I think he's having a mid life crisis, wearing sunglasses inside for everything, skinny jeans, dad dancing.
Interestingly he had it all his own way from 2009 to 2017 as Beady Eye weren't a threat to him, Liam has released an album which has sold well, he's sold out a huge outdoor gig while Noel is struggling to sell out arenas. Another 12 months of this and it'll be Noel begging for the Oasis reunion which is what Liam said would happen. Interesting POV. I thought he was having his midlife crisis around DOYS-NGHFB, with all those death-themed and God-themed songs, his increasing unhappiness with Oasis until the point he just decided to go. Perhaps this is part 2 of this crisis, when he tries to deny he's on the 2nd half of his life and tries to adopt a 20-something like look with those sunglasses and the dance. As for the song, I was talking to my wife today (who's also mad fer it) and she made an interesting point: while listening to Noel's voice used to be very cool every once in a while, his voice gets very tiresome on the long haul. Then I realized that, scissors aside, his voice is probably what I most disliked in STMHTF.Funny that you say that. I was talking with my friend about Noel's new stuff and she was surprised I liked Fort Knox. But -- and sorry if this sounds like a backhanded compliment -- I think I like it best of the three for the shortage of lyrics. Though I like Noel-written songs in general, I've never cared for his voice very much.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Nov 1, 2017 11:33:10 GMT -5
The scissor playing cracks me up! Doesn't make me like the song any more or less, but did make it more entertaining to watch I thought. The song itself is just meh for me and so far I like Fort Knox best of the tracks I've heard.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 31, 2017 17:24:56 GMT -5
Gotcha! Thanks. They really should stagger their releases then. I'll go bankrupt if I try to support them both on tour simultaneously. I've seen Liam four times this year (including flying out to Chicago) and will be flying out for the Toronto and Manchester gig in November and December. I'm a bigger Liam fan but I actually don't mind Noel's new stuff. That said, all my disposable cash has been spent on Liam this year so nothing left for Noel.
Wow what a fan! Ah well I never saw Oasis live. I was a poor college freshman in the 90s and then they dropped off my radar after graduation. Saw Supersonic last October and have been making up for lost time I guess
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 31, 2017 17:11:55 GMT -5
Pre-internet, that would have been easy. Don McLean said the true meaning of "American Pie" was that he never had to work again. Back in the early 90s, Ace Frehley said his KISS royalties were enough to keep him comfortably retired, though not rich. With the record industry steadily shrinking and giving way to digital sales and streaming, I imagine more and more artists will keep touring when 20 years ago they might have chosen the studio life. The Beatles probably couldn't pull off their touring retirement these days. Yep, record sales streams will hardly pay the bills. The money is in the touring. Gotcha! Thanks. They really should stagger their releases then. I'll go bankrupt if I try to support them both on tour simultaneously. I've seen Liam four times this year (including flying out to Chicago) and will be flying out for the Toronto and Manchester gig in November and December. I'm a bigger Liam fan but I actually don't mind Noel's new stuff. That said, all my disposable cash has been spent on Liam this year so nothing left for Noel.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 31, 2017 16:22:44 GMT -5
Noel has sold out many arenas before Liam uks tour. Sold way more records and has so many number one albums and writes his own songs. It's like a guy who scores a wack of goals all the time in hockey and doesn't celebrate. Been there done that. Where Liam scores once and acts like he's the best. I'm glad for Liam for selling out arenas but not for selling himself out to the music biz. Happy Halloween pop pills pills Liam pops. I Don't drink or do drugs btw Its all over the internet...noel has alienated himself from oasis fandom. I dont think he cares. Its not the kind of public he desires. Its sad because the band its still hugly loved. Liams recent ticket numbers are proof of it. It's sad if he doesn't care. I reckon that with Liam's resurgence come a new generation of fans (and lapsed casual fans) who will buy Oasis records regardless of whatever Noel may say. Makes me wonder if Noel could comfortably live the rest of his life on Oasis-related royalties without having to do a thing. Especially if his newer stuff sees diminishing returns.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 31, 2017 14:47:33 GMT -5
Liam has finally said what many of here aknowledged: Noel has completely turned his back away from his oasis base. Only Liam takes proper care of oasis legacy. And besides what some people write here, its a shared opinion by most of oasis base. To me now Liam is the one who is destroying the Oasis fan base. What is he thinking? Quit mixing your pills with your alcohol. One day Liam will come back begging for Noel's help. Hopefully he will help you. Please get some help Liam.
Meanwhile I see Liam as the biggest Oasis fan of all.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 11, 2017 11:49:10 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere but I just came across this interview with Paul Ashbee regarding the start of Oasis. Looks like he's got a book coming out in January 2018 that's being co-written by same guy who did Tony's book. -So what was it that got Noel to join Oasis would you say, was he impressed seeing his young bro singing with a band? I remember when I took Noel and his ex-girlfriend Louise to see them play their first gig at the Boardwalk. At first, he couldn’t believe Liam had joined a band and was just taking the piss really. But when the band came on and he saw Liam up there I looked at Noel and could see his little eyes light up thinking ‘this is it, this is what I can lay my stuff over’. The sound was already there, and that sound came a long time before Noel joined. That rhythm Oasis had early on wasn’t Noel, it was Boneheads. Bonehead was the magician, the one who brought that sound – Noel wrote his own songs and for him it was a situation made in heaven. To lay his songs down over what the band were doing and I knew he’d feel that way when he heard them. -Was Liam made up to have Noel join the band then? The way I saw it Liam always wanted to be around his brother. Noel back then was playing guitar and was already writing songs and to me that’s what Liam wanted to do, be around Noel and the music, but Noel wouldn’t have any of that and would be off on his own a lot. I think Noel’s always been pretty fk’n hard on Liam to be honest, I mean the things that went down, the scraps and that in rehearsal, crazy. But Noel was always out and about doing his own thing and I suppose that’s where I came into it..with a bit of guidance where Liam was concerned. I remember being in the Hacienda with Noel one night and he disappeared, came back 30mins later and said he had just got an audition with The Inspiral Carpets, and he was made up. After that we were out again one night, this time inCorbieres and we bumped into Gilly (Inspirals drummer, R.I.P) and he said to me ‘How about you come out with us and be a roadie’ and with that Noel’s face just dropped, sat there thinking ‘you fk’n twat’..(laughs). But it never happened…because I went to jail. But to Noel it was his thing. He went for the audition with the Inspirals, didn’t get it, they brought in Tom Hingley and he ended up as one of the bands roadies. That was just Noel though, he just liked doing his own thing. And running around working for the Inspirals was ‘his thing”. We used to go out and he’d be there, wondering about, going off, doing his own thing then we’d end up at my place at the end of the night and Noel would give me a tape of him singing tunes he’d written and say ‘Here, why don’t you put this on’ ..and I’d be thinking ‘cos its shit’, and it was. He wasn’t at that time writing the Supersonics and Live For Ever’s, that came later on. More in the link: louderthanwar.com/paul-ashbee-interview/#.Wd5CEcZ2poN.twitter
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 8, 2017 15:36:14 GMT -5
My two cents is that Liam doesn't hate Noel, but just incredibly hurt. I wish he wouldn't rant about Noel on social media, but I also think it's rich that Noel thinks Liam needs a shrink when he spent years mindfucking his lil bro when it suited his needs. This particular quote comes to mind "He’s actually frightened to death of me. I can read him and I can fucking play him like a slightly disused arcade game. I can make him make decisions that he thinks are his but really they’re mine." Personally that would've driven me nuts.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 6, 2017 13:17:44 GMT -5
Top 3 for Me: Paper Crown I've All I Need Come Back To Me
Then: Greedy Soul Bold Doesn't Have To Be That Way
I know that's six but I keep flip flopping depending on mood.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 6, 2017 0:38:54 GMT -5
umm.... where is this chart getting information from? I've checked the actual iTunes chart in US and Mexico and As You Were is nowhere to be seen. I've got my iTunes open on my computer and the Top Albums list has the Deluxe Edition at #8. I'm in the US.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 5, 2017 22:40:40 GMT -5
Didn't think I cared much for Universal Gleam and Doesn't Have To Be That Way but I've got the album on repeat and find myself singing along each time they come on so they've definitely grown on me. So far Chinatown is the tune I skip the most.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 5, 2017 22:35:36 GMT -5
You've mentioned more than once you don't have much spare time to spend listening to something you're not interested in. But in the time you've spent in this thread saying you're not interested, you could've listened to those Liam-penned songs a dozen times already. Not trying to convince you, just saying is all. You don't like Liam, that's fair enough. I might be in the wrong thread. I like the songs written by Liam. I'll head over to the Like group now. I hope you don't think that was directed at you. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 5, 2017 20:55:40 GMT -5
I guess you had more spare time than you thought. Good God. Just because I have spare time doesn't mean that I should spend it doing things that don't interest me, does it? Absolutely not. But I think it's funny that you go on about time is tight and you don't have spare time to spend on something you're not interested in. Then spending hours on a discussion board about a man and an album you're not interested in.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 5, 2017 20:35:39 GMT -5
You've mentioned more than once you don't have much spare time to spend listening to something you're not interested in. But in the time you've spent in this thread saying you're not interested, you could've listened to those Liam-penned songs a dozen times already. Not trying to convince you, just saying is all. You don't like Liam, that's fair enough. Yes, I am more interested in having this conversation than listening to those songs, that is true. I guess you had more spare time than you thought.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 5, 2017 20:31:00 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. They're probably the most genuine things on the album. You've mentioned more than once you don't have much spare time to spend listening to something you're not interested in. But in the time you've spent in this thread saying you're not interested, you could've listened to those Liam-penned songs a dozen times already. Not trying to convince you, just saying is all. You don't like Liam, that's fair enough.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 5, 2017 19:23:28 GMT -5
Are the deluxe and regular editions counted separately? Album: As You Were iTunes: #1 United Kingdom #1 Argentina #1 Brazil #1 Denmark #1 India #1 Indonesia #1 Ireland #1 Italy #1 Malaysia #1 Malta #1 Philippines #1 Slovenia #1 Taiwan #1 Thailand #2 Bulgaria #2 Hungary #2 Japan #2 Singapore #2 Spain #2 Sweden #3 Australia #3 New Zealand #3 Norway #3 Switzerland #4 United Kingdom #4 Finland #4 Hong Kong #4 Luxembourg #4 Netherlands #4 Uganda #5 Greece #6 Austria #6 France #6 Slovakia #6 Turkey #7 Portugal #7 United Arab Emirates #8 Belgium #8 Czech Republic #8 Ireland #8 New Zealand #9 Denmark #9 Germany #9 Poland #9 Russia #10 South Africa #13 Italy #34 Sweden #35 Bermuda #51 Japan #52 Australia #59 France #62 Belgium #103 Russia kworb.net/itunes/artist/liamgallagher.html
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 5, 2017 15:57:14 GMT -5
Your question, of course, makes a lot of sense. And I guess I'm just weird but that's really just not what I go for when I am experiencing a creative work. I am sure, for example, that there are a lot of wonderful paintings out there done by paint-by-numbers painters but I would much rather see even a lesser work (and I mean lesser than the paint-by-numbers painting) by Picasso because what I find interesting is the artist's individual expression. Individual expression? But most Oasis songs were sung by someone other than the songwriter. Are you an Oasis fan?
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 5, 2017 11:00:20 GMT -5
Right now, on itunes, Number 1 in Japan and Number 3 In Australia&New Zealand I guess it's officially out on the other side of the world? Doing well on iTunes! Yay Liam
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 1, 2017 11:27:30 GMT -5
As a casual Oasis fan during their 90s heyday, I barely knew the difference between Liam and Noel. I became a big fan after being re-introduced to them through the Supersonic documentary...I thought the dynamic between the brothers was just as integral to Oasis as Noel's songs and Liam's voice. I will always prefer them together. But as far as their solo project goes, you like what you like and the brothers are just so different it's easy to see why their output would divide the audience. For instance, I've never enjoyed Noel's voice so it's only natural that I'd gravitate towards Liam's stuff. Outside the music though, I was taken aback when I first noticed the amount of vitriol aimed at Liam and being a newer fan, I didn't really understand why. Nothing gets me behind Liam more than when I see "fans" dismissing him as the talent-less brother and insisting he was negligible to the band's success. I feel so strongly against that narrative that I can't help but get on Liam's side just to balance things out a bit. Understandable, though I assume you're OK with all the vitriol Liam constantly pumps out? Bear in mind that as already noted that is exactly what's turned a lot of people the other way to you, and it's a shame, Liam doesn't need to do it. Some of it is having a laugh, but some of it goes too far for me and is just kind of sad and embarrassing to see. If it weren't Liam behaving this way, I don't think anyone here would call it 'hilarious'. Liam is for some reason creating this public war, and I don't think for men of their age it's particularly edifying, lord knows what affect it has on their kids (and however much some here deny it, I'm sure it does, no-one wants to see their family like that). Given the lyrical content of his songs as well, as someone else suggested, therapy doesn't seem a bad idea. I mean accusing someone publicly of not being upset about kids dying, is that 'hilarious' and 'having a laugh'? Maybe my sense of humour isn't yet sufficiently developed. As I said, my issue is with fans dismissing Liam as the talent-less brother and negligible to Oasis success, that he was only riding on Noel's coattails and has no business being a star on his own right. I think it's partly that kind of thinking that Liam rails against. If you're not OK with how he carries himself, that's another story. But that's not what I'm talking about here; whatever he may spout or whoever he offends shouldn't negate the fact that the Liam was integral to Oasis's success, despite many insisting it was all owing to Noel's talents.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Oct 1, 2017 0:02:35 GMT -5
I have to say I've never really understood why any Oasis fan would feel the need to take sides. As a long time fan, I always appreciated that Liam and Noel brought different things to the band and I thought that them being very different people gave them an interesting, unpredictable dynamic. I never preferred one over the other, sometimes I'm in the mood for a Noel song and sometimes I'm in the mood for a Liam song. At the end of the day, it's all about the music. With them both being solo artists now we get double the amount of music we would have gotten had Oasis still been together. All the press and Twitter stuff is just them doing what they've always done, being outspoken and taking pot shots at each other. I don't think either of them take it very seriously and neither should we. Just keep making the records and touring fellas, that's the real legacy, all the rest is just white noise. As a casual Oasis fan during their 90s heyday, I barely knew the difference between Liam and Noel. I became a big fan after being re-introduced to them through the Supersonic documentary...I thought the dynamic between the brothers was just as integral to Oasis as Noel's songs and Liam's voice. I will always prefer them together. But as far as their solo project goes, you like what you like and the brothers are just so different it's easy to see why their output would divide the audience. For instance, I've never enjoyed Noel's voice so it's only natural that I'd gravitate towards Liam's stuff. Outside the music though, I was taken aback when I first noticed the amount of vitriol aimed at Liam and being a newer fan, I didn't really understand why. Nothing gets me behind Liam more than when I see "fans" dismissing him as the talent-less brother and insisting he was negligible to the band's success. I feel so strongly against that narrative that I can't help but get on Liam's side just to balance things out a bit.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Sept 27, 2017 11:06:57 GMT -5
I don't get the whole not liking Noël's vocals thing.....his voice if anything is inoffensive; actually find Líam's vocals sometimes grating.... Takes all kinds..... Thanks. To each their own. Suffice it to say that if Noel had been Oasis' lead singer, the songs probably wouldn't have caught my attention and I wouldn't have become a fan of the band. Noel is a brilliant songwriter, but I can't listen to his voice for more than one or two straight songs. There's something about his cadence especially in certain songs that make me want to press skip. From the snippets of his third album though, I think I might actually like Who Built the Moon if the focus is more on the instrumental than the singing. Liam, on the other hand, energizes me with his voice whatever he's singing. Though I have friends who can't stand his voice. So yeah, to each their own.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Sept 25, 2017 14:22:26 GMT -5
You can't have a war when it's only one side who wants to fight. Unless Liam plans to invade Noel's shows like he's part of NWO. If you wanted straight rock, you'd sort of have to be more excited about Liam's album because Noel isn't going to give you that, and he doesn't want to. They're not even in the same genre anymore. Completely agree,Liams album is gonna be a rocker but Noel is going after something deeper. And can't avoid compare them because is like a parents divorce. Its sad but you got two sides of presents. And then you compare the present. Get me? Yeah, but that's just among Oasis fans. Saw one comment on a Liam video (maybe the FWIW music vid?) asking who is this Noel person? Liam's won over some new fans and Noel may get some new ones himself with this new stuff and those newer fans (and casual fans) won't care about the rivalry that much or at all.
|
|
janelr
Madferrit Fan
Posts: 93
|
Post by janelr on Sept 22, 2017 10:29:12 GMT -5
No it wasn't. I think what's mental is to think that at no single point in the process did Noel have in the back of his mind that Liam is releasing an album around the same time. Yes, i kinda agree with you. I dont think it influenced on the tone of the record, but it gives drive, motivation when your brother and ex-member is releasing a (apparently) good record in the same time frame. It pushes you to be better, and it probably pushed Liam too. He's in a better shape, sings better... etc + the releases are way too mixed into each other to be a total surprise in both camps. All the announcement dont conflict with each other. As i predicted, announcement + single just before Liam's, who will get its window early october then Noel will get his for the rest of the year. Even though the brothers dont talk, their management surely do.
And didn't Liam say that Noel calls up their mother being all nosy about Liam's album? LOL Poor Peggy.
|
|