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Post by World71R on Sept 17, 2022 15:52:48 GMT -5
theyknowwhatimean , what are your thoughts on both Magic Pie and Stay Young these days? And glory be, Stay Young is just as wonderful as I remember it being! It really should have gone on the album. Not only that, but I think it would've been an ideal candidate for single release, maybe shortly after D'You Know What I Mean? to keep the casuals on board. It's like the Roll with It of the Be Here Now era. Super hooky, joyful, Liam sounds terrific... the kind of Oasis song to jump out of the radio at people and demand their attention. A bit long, sure, but it was stylistically designed to be that way, as George Lucas might say.
I think that, just as a note of vulnerability would have been welcome with the inclusion of Going Nowhere, Be Here Now could have done with some of that open-hearted, optimistic solidarity embodied in a lyric like Stay Young. When you think about it, the album is a very self-absorbed collection of songs as far as lyrics go -- and yes, everything else too. The first five songs are all "me, me, me." Track six is about Noel's wife. Fade In-Out includes the lyric "The Devil's refugee is gonna be blinded by the light that follows me..." Whichever way you reconfigure the album, short of remixing it, it's never not going to sound like it was recorded by a group of egotists on too much cocaine. But it might have been less alienating for original listeners in 1997, had there been a song with a lyric like Stay Young's, that was inclusive and encouraging.
As for Magic Pie, I still appreciate it and think it just about deserves a place on the album. More than Fade In-Out does anyway, the last half of which is a bit of a disaster. You can tell Noel was reaching for something with Magic Pie that he was never quite able to find either lyrically or musically. At times he seems to get near, like on the low-key, slightly mournful intro with the weirdly appropriate effect on Noel's voice. The descending melody as he sings "I was that passerby; I've been and now I've gone" is nice too. But the way he resolved the chorus was clunky, relying on yeahs and lead guitar breaks. Very cock rock. And "I got my magic pie" should have only been a placeholder lyric until he thought of something better.
I agree. This really disrupts the flow of the song and makes it feel more pieced together in a formula, than a nicely flowing song that happens to use a certain formula. I feel like it would've worked if it would've just had a rhythm guitar part there into the second verse and then that lead guitar break/ "Yea yea yea"s come once after the second chorus, followed by the interlude and right into the outro. It has such a different feel from any other Oasis song and, had Noel been WTSMG-levels of sober, he would've figured it out, but I think the egos were so strong and no one was gonna say no, that it just went through. A shame, too. Whenever I listen to the album, DYKWIM and MBM start the album so strong but then all momentum gets killed by Magic Pie. Later in the album, Fade In-Out makes sense because there's at least something that builds to it but a 7-minute song at track 3 was pure and utter cocaine at work.
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Post by World71R on Sept 13, 2022 20:05:53 GMT -5
Be Here Now is an album for the fans and God bless 'em for it.
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Post by World71R on Aug 27, 2022 14:07:56 GMT -5
I'm glad some people like Music of the Spheres but what gets me is how missing the band sounds. So many songs on AHFOD were overblown in their pop production but you could tell a band was behind it. A lot of MOTS, even People of the Pride, just sounds so generic and engineered by a producer and their team. You're correct with AHFOD, minus Will because a lot of Stargate's production had fake drums. That album's major problem wasn't even necessarily the overdone production but the poor, wishy wash retail store pop that is all on Chris. MOTS like I said does benefit automatically from a more sonically viable aesthetic, but nevertheless still feels measurably hollow and uninspired. Coloratura is the only track that feels like a genuine band effort. The biggest sin of AHFOD and the Stargate production was the production on Up&Up. The live version sounds so beautiful and organic and hits the emotional core it's really going for, but the studio version is so jam-packed with those drums and synths and done with mixing and mastering the places less of an emphasis on the parts that matter (piano, guitars especially, choir, Will's drumming). Up&Up is a fantastic performance by Jonny (and our Noel) but you can hardly hear that clearly in the studio version. It's a wash.
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Post by World71R on Aug 26, 2022 20:33:18 GMT -5
I'm glad some people like Music of the Spheres but what gets me is how missing the band sounds. So many songs on AHFOD were overblown in their pop production but you could tell a band was behind it. A lot of MOTS, even People of the Pride, just sounds so generic and engineered by a producer and their team.
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Post by World71R on Aug 19, 2022 16:25:35 GMT -5
Wonderful song. I wish it was longer, though. That part at 0:50 where the piano and synth come in and mix with the 'Hey' voice sample just gives me a sense of joy and being that very few other songs have.
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Post by World71R on Aug 18, 2022 20:23:00 GMT -5
Went to see Coldplay on Saturday night at Wembley. Pretty stunning spectacle with the wrist bands but musically i found them quite "meh". I remember seeing them in 2004 on the AROBTTH tour and on the VLV tour and I was blown away, past couple of times I've seen them I haven't been. At one point they wore strange alien helmets and they had a puppet on stage singing too, I just found it a bit bizarre. Can't help feeling they're on their way out 🤷 At least Craig David came on and did a couple of tunes 🤣🤣 It's really too bad. I feel like they've been copying the Mylo formula every album since (minus Ghost Stories and Everyday Life) with a little more 'flavor of the month' collaborators and sounds added in each go-around. It's really too bad. GS and EL show that the band has still got creativity in them if they'd stop leaning into their pop influences so much.
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Post by World71R on Aug 11, 2022 19:44:57 GMT -5
Just as we thought, Liam is on first to play a few songs at the Taylor Hawkings tribute concert. I've just read it on Twitter as someone asked him about it. It'd be kinda fun to hear him cover 'Learn to Fly'. That's one Foo Fighters song that would fit well with Liam's voice and would be fun to hear.
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Post by World71R on Aug 4, 2022 16:54:02 GMT -5
Just listened to Liam's cover of 'Bless You'. It is groooooooovvyyyyyy, I'm surprised. I've never heard a Gallagher brother song that sounds so silky smooth and groovy like that but I love it. I want more of this from Liam.
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Post by World71R on Aug 4, 2022 16:53:29 GMT -5
Just listened to Liam's cover of 'Bless You'. It is groooooooovvyyyyyy. I've never heard a Gallagher brother song that sounds so silky smooth and groovy like that but I love it. I want more of this from Liam.
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Post by World71R on Jun 12, 2022 23:52:20 GMT -5
I know I am not the only one but I'm getting a bit bored of hearing about all the back story to Oasis 1991 - 1996. 1997 - 2000 is interesting as fuck in terms of drama and story line and 2000 - 2009 has just been airbrushed out of history ffs. Would love a documentary about post-Knebworth. Really what I'd like is a tell-all of the fallout from BHN, into making SOTSOG, touring with it, damn near breaking up several times and how that all played into Oasis Mk.II, especially the decisions to Andy and Gem... what happened with Alan? Why did things get so shit during DOYS? I imagine it was Liam's voice but there are a lot of things and I'd be curious to learn more. It'd be controversial but that's what would make it good.
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Post by World71R on Jun 12, 2022 2:12:08 GMT -5
Champagne Supernova Roll it Over
Everybody's on the Run It's a Beautiful World
Off at the Next Exit Four Letter Word
One of Us Moscow's Rules
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Post by World71R on Jun 3, 2022 23:58:10 GMT -5
Apparently, Roll it Over is on the setlist this evening: See my flair. I'M SO HAPPY :')
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Post by World71R on Jun 3, 2022 0:30:28 GMT -5
Maybe but I still don't think that he'll be around in nearly 30 years time. And, the same goes for some of the other stars around today. I never liked 1D or anything but I think you're seriously underestimating their impact on pop culture, all the members will still be icons for many years to come but especially Harry As a person who witnessed the 1D craze as a middle school boy, yea... They were huge especially in the U.S. When they broke up, it was an event. When everyone dropped their solo projects, it was with fanfare; albeit less and less with each member until Harry's long-awaited solo album came along arguably lived up to the hype. Harry's good. Hell, I'd wager to say he wouldn't be out of place on our music discussion threads and he wears his influences on his musical sleeve (listen to As it Was and Sign of the Times). He's introducing a younger audience to older music and keeping that style of music going in the mainstream. I wish he'd do more of what Kurt Cobain did by actively promoting underground artists he thinks are cool and pushing them (which is sort of what Taylor Swift has done with The National, HAIM, Bon Iver and others) but I understand why he's not always able to and I think his thing is cool. He transcends pop culture through the years and will have a nice, fruitful career similar to a more-successful version of Justin Timberlake.
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Post by World71R on May 31, 2022 23:26:14 GMT -5
SOTSOG and DOYS are quintessential oasis and are their best work and i will not be taking dissenting opinions today I agree that they're essential to the band's discography, especially to show how they didn't always do the same damn thing for 18 years (such a short period of time ) You can make a pretty good playlist out of songs from each album: Fuckin' in the Bushes Bag It Up The Turning Go Let it Out Waiting for the Rapture The Shock of the Lightning I'm Outta Time Who Feels Love? Let's All Make Believe Gas Panic! Falling Down Where Did It All Go Wrong? To Be Where There's Life I Believe in All Roll It Over Soldier On Boy With the Blues
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Post by World71R on May 31, 2022 21:17:53 GMT -5
Moscow Rules, by far, but Diamond in the Dark is pretty good. I gotta give it a second listen to the album to firmly decide on favorites aside from those two.
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Post by World71R on May 31, 2022 21:16:35 GMT -5
And the 'Supersonic' hitmaker admitted that even if he did want to reunite with Oasis - which he doesn’t, no thanks to a long-running feud with his estranged sibling, Liam, the band’s ex-frontman - he's forgotten how to play some of their music. He said: "I don’t really feel the need to go and do it again. “On my last tour I went back to doing 'Don’t Look Back In Anger' electric, purely because I hadn’t played it for years, and I’d forgotten the f****** solo! “And it takes ages to get the memory muscle in your fingers.” Kind of a tangent, but I wonder if there's anything Noel wishes now he'd written differently in the early years. Not whole songs, just lines or bits of the big songs that have grown to annoy him over the years. When you're in your 20s writing what will turn out to be your generation-defining hit album, you don't think about having to play and sing those songs thousands of times over the next several decades. Absolutely not. Noel may get annoyed with playing the songs but I think it's because he knows he'll have to play those songs to keep the fans satisfied; however, he doesn't want to play it in a way that is repetitious and tiring so he changes it up.
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Post by World71R on Apr 19, 2022 23:35:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't spend much on that kind of mournful memorabilia... seriously, imagine the negative energy emanating off that guitar lol Like a ticket to Knebworth or the first copy of MG or DM, or the tapes with all of this forum's white whale recordings, it'd be a piece of history but, on the flipside, a sad one at that. I'd get it if I had the money.
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Post by World71R on Mar 31, 2022 23:40:36 GMT -5
I'm not always the most active anymore on here, hell I haven't even had a chance to listen to the new single, but I thoroughly enjoy the lively discussion here. Love y'all
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Post by World71R on Mar 22, 2022 17:34:27 GMT -5
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Post by World71R on Feb 16, 2022 16:07:46 GMT -5
I got a vinyl player last week and promptly ordered Definitely Maybe and CHVRCHES' newest release. DM came three days early and now I got it on The album sounds fantastic on vinyl. The remasters really did DM justice. You get the brute from Liam and the guitars but you still get the little nuances in the mix and the drums punch well, especially on Up in the Sky. Also, Up in the Sky is a woefully underappreciated tune. The guitar riff, Liam's vocals, the songwriting, how well it simmers into Columbia; what a great song. Which release did you buy? I got the 2014 vinyl remaster! I've heard some say the 2009 is better but I've always dug the 2014 remaster.
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Post by World71R on Feb 15, 2022 17:04:23 GMT -5
I got a vinyl player last week and promptly ordered Definitely Maybe and CHVRCHES' newest release. DM came three days early and now I got it on The album sounds fantastic on vinyl. The remasters really did DM justice. You get the brute from Liam and the guitars but you still get the little nuances in the mix and the drums punch well, especially on Up in the Sky. Also, Up in the Sky is a woefully underappreciated tune. The guitar riff, Liam's vocals, the songwriting, how well it simmers into Columbia; what a great song.
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Post by World71R on Feb 6, 2022 20:31:49 GMT -5
Pretty good interview for American radio! (Also just very happy he's doing American radio for this song.) Liam's so chilled out this interview cycle. It's fun. The Current is out of Minnesota and is probably the best public radio stations out there; one of the best music stations out there for sure (my favorite and my home radio station too). I love seeing this posted
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Post by World71R on Jan 25, 2022 0:12:53 GMT -5
Can we fast forward to late February already?
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Post by World71R on Jan 25, 2022 0:11:30 GMT -5
You know? I don't listen to Oasis as much anymore. But some days, like today, I get Morning Glory stuck in my head and start reading about Live Forever, then I play both of those songs, and it's just like when I was first getting into them. It may not be that same immersive experience anymore, but it's sweet to get a taste of that again every so often
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Post by World71R on Jan 23, 2022 23:00:56 GMT -5
I was gonna come here to comment on this thread about how everything's fucked when you consider COVID-19, U.S./Russia, and the prospects of the 2022 & 2024 elections here in the U.S., but I see there are some positive vibes going on here and I like that. Here's my contribution imgur.com/wKLjg33
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