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Post by matt on Feb 25, 2022 13:22:19 GMT -5
Failure to hold Putin to account is a complete failure of the left wing and right wing, particularly in the US and UK. For some reason, both polar opposites have had a hard on for Russia in recent years, which has only bolstered Putin. And to hold him to account is not to justify war either. For a start, it would have helped to stop kow towing to all the oligarchs and media outlets that corrupt folk on all sides have bigged up in recent years. Your enemies enemy should never be your friend. For some reason, despotic Putin was
But outside of the political class, even culturally, you have money grabbing or corrupt institutions like the Premier League, F1, FIFA and all that who have turned a blind eye to the likes of the oligarchs who have funded these sports (see Saudi Arabia too). So for example, I hear that Wembley will be lit up in blue and yellow ahead of the League Cup final, yet that same system will happily prop up a corrupt individual like Abramovich. All gesture politics, and no real action will be done. A bit like how this situation will not be resolved.
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Post by matt on Feb 24, 2022 15:39:56 GMT -5
Everything that Putin now does, he can say, Western nations did too, why can't I? And they do it still. I can explain 24/7 some things about Yugoslavian wars/Kosovo but nobody seems to care. Or Djokovic situation. Yes, he is dick, but there is law and you can't do what you want. You can't bomb Yugoslavia just like that and civilian targets. But Western nations felt so mighty and superior. Serbia is shithole country today but at least I am glad that I can see some things as they are and to live in "grey area". Fuck Putin and fuck NATO, I only hope that there will be peace and that all innocent people will not get hurt. Catalans wants independence but they will not risk their lives to take guns and fight for "fredeom". They are living too good to go into adventures like that. All Eastern European governments are controled by west and most of the people are having shit life. If Ukrainians or people of Balkan are having good life, they wouldn't even think about wars. But western governments decided to treat us like shit so there you go. We are used to be cheap labour, prositutes and so on so there you go. If you fuck some Ukrainian prostitute for 10 Euros in Amsterdam, she probably has Russian origins and is ready for revenge one day. West hates Communism but only respects their fake borders. Wrong desicion by western governments for centuries...someone have to pay for all that now. While the west and NATO do bear responsibility for a lot of shit they aren't the ones who's tanks are rolling across the border of a sovereign nation. Nobody has wanted a war, there seems as little appetite for it in Russia as there is anywhere else. This once again is an argument between old privileged men that decent hard working people are about to pay the ultimate price for. I think this pretty much sums it up. It's not about West v East, no matter how many Putin sympathisers or neoconservatives think. It's always about that age old idea of empire building, wherever, whenever and inevitably always ends in war and destruction. Whether it's Nazi Germany, Britain, post-war US hegemony, Soviet Union or modern day Russia it always ends in bloodshed. You'd think after thousands of years of all this shit lessons would be learnt and that humanity progresses but it really never does.
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Post by matt on Feb 22, 2022 11:33:58 GMT -5
Wonder if there'd have been any difference if Oasis were on a major record label post-2000s. I often think in this case that it would have been preferable to have outside pressure ensuring there'd be no lazy albums.
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Post by matt on Feb 22, 2022 9:51:52 GMT -5
I assumed Stop Crying isn’t really mentioned as it goes without saying it’s one of their best post-90s tune. I definitely think it’s one of their greatest from the 2000s. A shame it was on such a dog of an album.
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Post by matt on Feb 21, 2022 18:19:40 GMT -5
Trying to find this on the news, but BBC are only interested in being a PR outfit for Boris Johnson and hyping up his dissolution of covid rules.
Beyond pathetic.
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Post by matt on Feb 21, 2022 18:13:12 GMT -5
I recall reading an interview with Nick McCabe recently and he was praising the classic Oasis songs and sound. He referenced how Noel's songs owed debts to various artists but no song had an explicit singular influence (he said the Beatles comparisons are only legit later on). It was familiar but you couldn't pinpoint it - something about Columbia is like that, familiar but very unique (same goes for that entire album tbh). Heathen Chemistry and latter Oasis suffers from the fact they're just ripping of a direct influence rather than it being their own sound wrapped up in various influences. For example, Force of Nature is directly influenced by a Stooges song (or is it Iggy Pop, I can't remember), and later songs like Waiting For The Rapture are blatantly obvious with the Doors influence (riff not withstanding, it still sounds like The Doors). 'Force of Nature' doesn't rip off 'Nightclubbing'. It samples the same drum loop. 'Waiting for the Rapture' however absolutely does rips 'Five To One' by The Doors but as I'm sure you're aware Noel has always ripped off artists. I'd say there were clearly more examples during Oasis's early years than at any other time. What Nick might be grasping at it that Oasis had their own unique sound (a mixture of familiar favourites sure) back in the 90's and this was shed for a sound which isn't as identifiably 'Oasis' (Liam's voice withstanding). I think Noel's always been a pop songwriter. A point I made some time back (to which I believe The Escapist agreed with me) is that a sense of 'fun' was lost post Be Here Now. It certainly appears on 'Go Let It Out' and 'TIOBI' (two of the bands best loved songs of the 00's) but is scantily heard elsewhere. Of course a song doesn't have to be 'fun' to be good, I wouldn't classify all of Oasis's 90's songs in that manner, but it neatly fit with Noel's pop songwriting and the attitude of the band. I think po-faced songs don't ring as genuine with a band like Oasis. Could you clarify what you mean by "Dad Rock"? It's a term you use frequently. To me it conjures up a generation of popular music from abt. the mid 60's to the dawn of punk & new wave (abt. 76/77) which has become less fashionable and notably more removed from more contemporary music. Hard rock, glam rock, prog rock, some 60's stuff which has dated less well (etc.). Maybe your definition is different. Which stuff of Oasis's do you think best typifies this term? Oh ignore me when I say dad rock, it's just a term I throw out without thinking for a lot of old bands that I really don't care about (honestly, of all the 60s bands, I could probably count on one hand the ones I adore). More so for whipping from bands that are old and unfashionable in my opinion (e.g. stuff like glam rock goes over my head like many others). Just a matter of personal opinion of course, but it's also more of a dig at Noel for not being more contemporary and just being stuck in a rut of small group of influences. I think a lot of latter Oasis just apes a particular band or sound too directly, and there's really no evidence of the undefinable spirit that made them great. Occasionally it sparks into life, but it's few and far between. I like Who Built The Moon for it's numerous influences, and there's no song that is the cliched '[ insert generic rock act] meets [ insert generic rock act] snorting coke with aliens on Mars' or whatever nonsense Noel usually spouts when hyping up another mid tempo plodder. It all had various influences in each song. It also has that sense of fun, and faint whiff of ridiculousness that made Oasis great. Pop, fun and melancholy is what best describes Noel's songwriting at its best, I really don't need to hear him write rock at this stage in his career.
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Post by matt on Feb 20, 2022 19:23:08 GMT -5
I recall reading an interview with Nick McCabe recently and he was praising the classic Oasis songs and sound. He referenced how Noel's songs owed debts to various artists but no song had an explicit singular influence (he said the Beatles comparisons are only legit later on). It was familiar but you couldn't pinpoint it - something about Columbia is like that, familiar but very unique (same goes for that entire album tbh).
Heathen Chemistry and latter Oasis suffers from the fact they're just ripping of a direct influence rather than it being their own sound wrapped up in various influences. For example, Force of Nature is directly influenced by a Stooges song (or is it Iggy Pop, I can't remember), and later songs like Waiting For The Rapture are blatantly obvious with the Doors influence (riff not withstanding, it still sounds like The Doors).
Oasis and Noel's other main problem is that he stopped writing pop songs, resorting to dad rock of the 1960s and 1970s rather than anything chart friendly. Pop's always timeless in a way that the dad rock dirge of most latter Oasis albums are not.
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Post by matt on Feb 18, 2022 14:39:42 GMT -5
This album already feels special. From the sounds of it, it's testament to Liam's increased confidence as a result of his solo success. Can't ever have seen him do this with Beady Eye. It'll be a great listen, mark my words.
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Post by matt on Feb 18, 2022 14:37:06 GMT -5
Let's not forget this when we criticize co-writing and praise full songwriting by yourself: "Here's what you do. You take the guitar, you steal songs from a few people, you change them a bit, you put your brother in it, you punch him in the head every moment ... and it sells." (Noel Gallagher talks to The Great Songwriters 2019). I don't get this. Your constant gripes at Noel's quality as a songwriter demeans Oasis as a band, you do realise that don't you? The amount of mental gymnasts who only end up insulting Oasis as a band, whether they're in the Team Liam/Noel camps, has been unreal of late. Give it a rest pal.
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Post by matt on Feb 17, 2022 16:39:47 GMT -5
There's this one (Mona Lisa) which has obvious single potential for Forth which was sorely lacking singles outside of Love Is Noise. I'm puzzled as to why it was dropped from the album. It's not as if they had much to choose from and better than the dreary Rather Be. This was axed cause it's fucking horrendous and Nick said as much so, for good reason. Surprised you like this one since it's another Keys To the World Ashcroft leftover he dragged into the studio. Rather Be isn't that good either but a much better song than whatever this was. The real crime is that the bulk of the expressionist work was left off Forth for stuff like I See Houses and Valium Skies. I don't think it's great but it's still better than some of the conventional obvious Ashcroft penned tunes on that album. If you're an A&R man, it wouldn't harm the album taking this one on and ditching something like I See Houses. But as Escapist says, it doesn't fit the vibe of the record at all. Thing with this album is that they wrote and recorded it within a year. The core of its there, pretty much in that expansive impressionistic sound from the jamming tunes (Sit & Wonder originated from a long jam for example). Just think how much better it could have been if they'd given it half a year or so more.
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Post by matt on Feb 17, 2022 8:45:22 GMT -5
Columbo was always an underrated track from them. The best parts of Forth are the ones that got to the original sound of the band - that full band vibe, loose, almost jam like feel to it at times with Ashcroft (Noise Epic and Columbo) blending into the sounds really well. For me at least.
In fact, when you think about it, Forth is a damn well underrated album. Dare I say it but if this had come out in 2017/18 when shoegaze/space rock started to become fashionable again, it would have been received a lot better. It came out in 2008 when landfill indie was still the mainstay for guitar rock, so it was neither here nor there amongst the big sounds of that time. In fact the Pitchfork review even refers to the fact the sound is out of date - such a shame that people think music has some kind of sell by date. So narrow minded, and shows that people are only interested in what is 'cool' and 'hip' (summarising the narrow mindset of Pitchfork I guess).
I would love to see them back together again. If only Ashcroft weren't such a bellend.
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Post by matt on Feb 17, 2022 8:33:47 GMT -5
I've never really listened to Forth, but I know the tracklist was a bit contentious - what songs should have been on there, and in place of what? There's this one (Mona Lisa) which has obvious single potential for Forth which was sorely lacking singles outside of Love Is Noise. I'm puzzled as to why it was dropped from the album. It's not as if they had much to choose from and better than the dreary Rather Be.
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2022 17:02:27 GMT -5
Quite a claim...
But then some middle class white 'hip' Guardian journalist says its shit, so what do real musicians know?
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2022 13:34:32 GMT -5
Both versions are good, and feel surprisingly different. I like the cinematic background of Holmes' version which sounds as if directly taken from an 80's soundtrack. Noel's versión is more energetic. Love the drums and the instrumental middle eight. The chorus is less melodic but fits better with this dance-like treatment of the song Happy to have both, but I think I prefer Noel's I like both but I like this David Holmes one even better. I would have actually loved if this was the NGHFB single with Violet singing. I've said it on this forum before but I think he should release different tracks with females as lead vocals. The fact that he goes by NGHFB instead of just NG makes it easier to bring in different vocalists. If this was the NGHFB single in 2019 it would have shocked people but it would have been cool. I totally agree. I love the refrain ' it's over now, if we run out of love', it's got that reach the sky hook in a chorus typical of Noel. Very Madchester feel. Just as a song, it's catchier, and balances the typical Noel melody with the more sonically adventurous one perfectly. Yet it doesn't feel like a typical Noel song merely dressed up - it's all really based on the groove and beat.
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Post by matt on Feb 14, 2022 15:44:36 GMT -5
Wow, I much much prefer the David Holmes version. So much better. And the chorus I prefer too, it actually sounds more like a classic Noel chorus I think. Noel's one is such an anticlimax.
Generally though, it confirms what I think of the EPs. While there's interesting production tricks going on in This Is The Place, it's too clean, while the David Holmes version is a bit more wild and a proper onslaught of sound.
And there conjours up a new tracklist - this should have been on Who Built The Moon.
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Post by matt on Feb 12, 2022 16:56:33 GMT -5
He is playing guitar and suddenly On IG… Dreadful cheesy dad-blues playing You been listening to Second Coming again?!
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Post by matt on Feb 11, 2022 16:04:31 GMT -5
He's so embedded in the Oasis legend - it would be such a shame if they reunited and he wasn't in it. I'm with Liam on this one, you need the original gang for a proper reunion.
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Post by matt on Feb 10, 2022 12:16:31 GMT -5
Being Scottish, it's got to be 500 Miles by The Proclaimers. However, in complete contrast and on the exact same album, Sunshine on Leith is a genuine masterpiece.
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Post by matt on Feb 10, 2022 10:12:00 GMT -5
" they literally aren’t just sending him songs to put vocals on" -> This was exactly what Noel did. With the difference that today Liam is much more into the whole creative process. Totally agree. Even if it is the case they are sending him complete songs, what's the difference? I understand that fraternal connection between Noel and Liam might make him singing Noel's songs more sincere with some people, but he's also been singing Andy and Gem's songs in Beady Eye - of which most were diabolical - and we never had this argument ever. As far as I'm concerned, Liam could sing the phone book and own it.
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Post by matt on Feb 9, 2022 11:25:06 GMT -5
Realistically if we judge both bands it’s clear red hot chilli peppers are miles superior, Musical talent: chilli peppers Song structure: chilli peppers Guitar solos and riffs: chilli peppers Songwriting: oasis (barely) Live performances: chilli peppers Influence: equal Better rhythm section: chilli peppers More famous and successful: chilli peppers I see a Red Hot Chili Pepper fan has typed in 'versus Oasis' into Google! Oasis have simpler songs, simpler arrangements, simpler musicians. But that doesn't make them inferior. Chili Peppers can impress me with their technique (Flea is outrageous) but that lanky bloke who spews word salad all over the place is no match for Liam's cut throat vocals and Noel's melodic skills. Oasis - simple, direct and straight to the heart. Gets to the root of what songwriting is all about. Chili Peppers no match at all.
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Post by matt on Feb 9, 2022 5:55:55 GMT -5
Liam Gallagher - William John Paul Gallagher Gem - Colin Murray ArcherBonehead - Paul Arthurs Guigsy - Paul McGuigan Wow, his real name is as boring as his music!
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Post by matt on Feb 9, 2022 5:50:56 GMT -5
Hey guys, does anyone have any updates on the Mind Games cover Noel had mentioned & teased around August 2021? Perhaps a RSD 2022 release (April) ? It would be pretty cool if both Liam and Noel end up performing a John Lennon cover on their upcoming albums. Liam mentioned he recorded Bless You (from Walls and Bridges). I really hope not. It would just end up with lazy comparisons to ripping off Lennon. Already I've seen a review stating that there Lennon style guitars in Everything's Electric, which is a load of nonsense really. They just bring on these comparisons themselves at times (see also production for I'm Outta Time). A b-side release hopefully but hoping no album release and that Noel can show his songwriting efforts can be stretched a bit more than just lionising all things Beatles again.
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Post by matt on Feb 9, 2022 5:47:08 GMT -5
I'll be honest, I'm looking forward to Liam's new album more than Noel, especially if there's something a bit different about it as being reported (I say that as a lover of his first two albums too).
Not expecting too much from Noel on the next one as he's producing it by himself. I was eagerly awaiting another David Holmes collaboration before he typically got cold feet and binned that off. He's a fine and capable producer, but nothing to get your teeth stuck into. I expect Noel's new album to be much like his EPs - some tepid experimentations and merely pleasant mid-tempo songs ala Chasing Yesterday, but nothing fully blown, cinematic and epic like the cacophony of sound that we get from something like The Man Who Built The Moon. Meanwhile, the more traditional rockers will lack the vibrancy of that album and Liam's solo records.
Ideally I'd like to see him do something a bit more ambient, suggested in parts with his reworking of Live Forever. I think it would suit Noel if we want that melancholy and reflectiveness.
So Brian Eno? Four Tet? Just anyone exciting really. I think Liam owns the 'traditional' sound at the moment, and aside from a handful of songs (such as Dead In The Water), much of Noel's traditional output harken back to older and better songs of his.
This is just a fun discussion, so thoughts on who would be an ideal producer for Noel?
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Post by matt on Feb 9, 2022 3:13:21 GMT -5
Fun fact - Rugby is a game for posh people who have yet to discover a more superior version of the game called football. All that rugby puts hairs on your chest. What chance have you got against a tie and a crest? Hello, hurray! What a nice day for the Eton Rifles! Hello, hurray! I hope rain stops play for the Eton Rifles…You’re right. Rugger’s shit. Proper dull, and the rules don’t make any sense. When the PE teachers at school used to get us to play it—I say play, but it never felt like a game, more a weird male ritual—it felt like they were just making it up as they went along. I mean, I know it’s been said a million times before, but what exactly does a scrum accomplish? And another thing. You lot in the north of England have seen the light by constantly proclaiming that rugby league is better. It is a more accessible game, better fan atmosphere, not weighed down by obsession with class with less pointless rules and genuinely more entertaining. As ever you get it spot on. That’s just further proof it’s just about being pretentious - there’s a better version of the sport out there and it gets ignored.
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Post by matt on Feb 8, 2022 17:04:38 GMT -5
Fun fact - Rugby is a game for posh people who have yet to discover a more superior version of the game called football. All that rugby puts hairs on your chest. What chance have you got against a tie and a crest? Hello, hurray! What a nice day for the Eton Rifles! Hello, hurray! I hope rain stops play for the Eton Rifles…You’re right. Rugger’s shit. Proper dull, and the rules don’t make any sense. When the PE teachers at school used to get us to play it—I say play, but it never felt like a game, more a weird male ritual—it felt like they were just making it up as they went along. I mean, I know it’s been said a million times before, but what exactly does a scrum accomplish? I agree with every word! It's just proper dull. It's objectively a really bad game. That is a stone cold fact. But it just shows you the sheer power and obsession of class and status in this country that it deludes a bunch of wannabe Hyacinth Buckets/social climbers into thinking it's entertainment.
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