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Post by matt on Oct 30, 2021 11:51:14 GMT -5
I mean, even if it is allowed, fuck every person who is like 30 and is having sex with someone who is 16. Fucking idiots. And I like Tom vocals. And Tom is doing everything that he can, I think that is fair to forgive him after few years if he continue to act like he did after everything that happened. His wife did. But it's up to you. Song is ok, I think that artist should do this and make music about what they feel at the moment. It's like saying to Lennon to shut up about his mother. I like Tom, he seems to be honest person, emotional, real fan of rock and roll. Serge is now more like some crackhead trapper. He is in rock and roll band because that was popular when they were forming the band. Kasabian's music is completely meaningless. It has nothing. Tom has no emotions plus a shit voice.Fixed.
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Post by matt on Oct 30, 2021 8:45:09 GMT -5
Forreal, what the f*ck? So R. Kelly was just some horny guy? Ffs Not even remotely what I said. R Kelly was convicted of sex trafficking. He has also been charged several times for sexual abuse. These are real, heinous crimes and they will have consequences, as they should. They are just different crimes from pedophilia. Pedophila is a specific term that refers to those who desire (and sometimes prey upon, but not always) pre-pubescent children. That is what the word means. It's like if you say I'm eating an apple and you're actually eating a carrot, I will say, that's not an apple. If you don't want to use the term correctly, no worries. But nothing I said implies that "R. Kelly was just some horny guy," and that's not what I believe at all For fuck's sake indeed. The post I was responding to called rock stars who had consenting sex with very willing people under the age of 18 pedophiles. That's not correct, but I also personally think it's way more nuanced than that. If you think it's completely amoral to have sex with teenagers ever, under any circumstances, then so be it. That's a legit opinion to have. But has anyone who is getting so moralistic about sex checked into Oasis' behavior? I don’t get this, so are you suggesting it’s only a matter of opinion if you do think it’s ‘amoral’? And are you really conflating Oasis or specifically Liam’s promiscuity with consenting women well over the legal age with underage kids basically? The age of consent is there for a reason. Because no matter how ‘consenting’ an underage person perceives themselves to be, they are at an age which biologically and emotionally they are NOT mature, no matter what they say or want. No young person is ever mature, think back to when us adults were that age, and you’d realise just how inferior your mindset is. They are called kids for a reason - if a fully grown adult takes advantage of that age no matter the mentality of the young individual involved, then that is sick. It’s rape. Even if that young person is eager to have sex, then it is the adults full responsibility to reject that. Could give a shite if creeps like Jimmy Page et.al. argue that it was consenting, it doesn’t make a difference. In their responsibility that should come with age, and in their awareness that the young person is not emotionally mature, there is no excuse.
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Post by matt on Oct 30, 2021 7:31:18 GMT -5
Just watched the video, all those cringy crocodile tears. It's embarrassing and his shameful attempt to exert some sympathy. In a debate about domestic violence, that's the kind of problematic controlling behaviour you'd expect. It's subtle, it's insidious, it's the kind of behaviour you'd expect from a man with serious problems. In all seriousness, it defies belief that he is some sort of redeemed character and worrying that people would buy into it. And as if we haven’t suffered enough with his song...
Christ what a fucking wimp.
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Post by matt on Oct 28, 2021 16:16:28 GMT -5
It's sad to listen to Music of the Spheres and not really hear anything that I can come back to on shuffle or listen to for fun. Everyday Life had Champion of the World, Arabesque, Gun, Trouble in Town, Orphans, Church, etc.; AHFOD had Birds, AHFOD, Adventure of a Lifetime, Up&Up, even Everglow. MOTS just has nothing, besides Colortura, and the band feels so muted in favor of a total Max Martin-ization of the band's sound that turns into something with all flash and no substance, with all recollection of it leaving your brain shortly after you collect it in the first place. People of the Pride is easily the most disappointing song on the whole album, which is too bad, because it wasn't that long ago that Coldplay was putting out great rock songs like Arabesque and Champion of the World, and now this is all they can muster on their "blockbuster" album. Likewise, with Humankind, it's good and uplifting but it feels so bland and overdone. On a positive note, though, I know a lot of people have hated on Biutyful (man that title sucks) but there's a certain charm to it I like (I wish they had gone more experimental with it but, wrong album for that). And My Universe is a bop, even if everyone in Coldplay (sans Chris) sounds robotic as hell on it. This band needs to bring back Brian Eno so badly. Or at least a quality producer who will challenge them to maximize their potential in a vein similar to what Eno did for the band on VLV. One thing I noticed when looking at the production credits in my artwork is all the “writers” listed on each track. Feels like a hip hop album. Each track has 3-4 additional writers listed besides Coldplay. In Hollywood they say the more screenwriters you have on a movie the worst the script is. That might explain the watered down lyrics and bland appeal. No other Coldplay album is really like this lyric wise. Coldplay also has 3-5 producers listed on each track. Very U2. I very much believe in the 'too many cooks spoil the broth' phrase and much prefer artists not to have a committee of producers/songwriters. It really is the industry norm these days, almost reverting back to the pre-Beatles days where it is more unusual to see acts who purely write their own material. I don't put Coldplay down for this to be honest because they still do it with raging success so I can hardly say anythings been spoilt when they make catchy pop that millions adore. But it does feel less organic and less sincere than, say, an album like Everyday Life. U2 is the case in point though where it really screws them - they would hire a creative muse to push them in directions they'd never done in the past, now they get their songs written and produced via committee. And it sounds unbelievably hollow. The best combination in music I feel is (a) a top songwriting talent combined with a (b) producer who pioneers the sound, coercing that songwriter/bands talent into a different sonic and conceptual artistry without infringing upon the creativity and authenticity of that act. Just as Coldplay did with Brian Eno. Not too many individuals involved either - the creative energy is channelled through only a few key personnel rather than a boardroom and it usually results in an acts best work.
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Post by matt on Oct 28, 2021 15:52:14 GMT -5
Surprised to see this and the brass neck of Tom Meighan in trying to relaunch his career after his shameful past. Doesn't send a good message at all. Regardless, what maudlin self pitying crap. Thankfully his career is dead and we won't have to hear this shite on the radio. I’m interested Matt, do you believe in rehabilitation? I do. But true rehabilitation is not trying to dictate the narrative through your own career. If he had any sense, he would get away from it all, hunker down, engage with his problematic behaviour and be alone with his thoughts for true rehab. Not release some sappy tune to try and make us feel sorry for him (which lets be honest is what he's tried to do).
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Post by matt on Oct 28, 2021 15:50:16 GMT -5
Didn't loads of famous rock stars shag underage kids back in the day and not get kicked out of their respective bands for being pedos W ell, pedophilia generally refers to those who have a thing for very young children of 12 and under, not shagging adoring teenagers consensually. People look at it very differently now, but in general don't think any band members in the 70s saw having sex with young groupies as criminal behavior. Indulgent and decadent behavior, yes ... but that was the point ... Also entirely different from domestic violence. That said, Meighan appears to have done everything he could possibly do to make amends. I'm not into Kasabian or Meighan and don't honestly know that much about him as a person. But what I do know is that he admitted his guilt in court, served his sentence, did community service, undertook a serious alcohol rehab, went into therapy, asked his wife's forgiveness, and has spoken about his mental health struggles in ways that might help others to seek aid before doing something terrible. Hard to see what else he could do to try to be a better person, if you believe such a thing is possible. Are we really trying to make an argument here as if it's somehow less disgusting? Any guy who sexually exploits an underage individual - a child basically - is a paedophile. We can get bogged down in semantics and how differing intentions make the crime 'less so' but if you are a mature adult who takes advantage of a freakin child whose age dictates they will always be vulnerable (no matter how much the perpetrator preaches they were 'mature for their age' which doesn't exist), then that's fucked up regardless of the context. Pop music these days may not have a lot of quality for some, but rest assured, these new lot are a hell of a lot more moral and not sleazebags like the old generation.
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Post by matt on Oct 27, 2021 14:50:17 GMT -5
Surprised to see this and the brass neck of Tom Meighan in trying to relaunch his career after his shameful past. Doesn't send a good message at all.
Regardless, what maudlin self pitying crap. Thankfully his career is dead and we won't have to hear this shite on the radio.
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2021 11:07:00 GMT -5
I really hope Chris is actually embarrassed
but more importantly, I hope he’s saddened Always strange to read things like this. You don't get it in almost any other fan spaces. One thing to dislike the vibrations in the air that have been recorded by an artist, but a very strange phenomenon to wish sadness or project a hidden embarrassment onto them for it. I'm not sure that authenticity, whatever that really means, is the root. Because by no reasonable measure is A Sky Full of Stars not as authentic as Some Might Say. Both are simplistic songs, with simplistic lyrics, with gorgeous melodies that captured millions and have the power to light up stadiums. You don't have to like it, you don't have to like Music of the Spheres (Jesus, I think it's mediocre), but there's a slippery slope that starts with "He should be writing on a battered guitar and being authentic" and ends with logging on to forums to hope people you don't know are sad because they've made a track with BTS that you don't like. Fully agree. Are we really getting into a debate about a song singing about sinks being full of dishes and itching dogs being more 'authentic'? Whether it's Some Might Say or My Universe, both songs are joyful. I know very well which one I absolutely adore and it's not the Coldplay song, but who am I to tell some kid who prefers Coldplay 'No!! You MUST like this one better!'. Easy for me to say because I've come to the conclusion that Chris Martin is a better songwriter of pop music than he is of mopey indie kid stuff of the kind they did with Parachutes. I'd rather listen to something which is joyful rather than the white boy middle class self-pitying act that is a millstone around the neck of alt rock acts of the 2000s. There's a market for that, and looking at all the records there is with that vibe, well you can accuse that of being contrived too. Thankfully it never sabotages Coldplay's finest moments but the worst moments of Parachutes and X&Y are at fault for this indie boy niche (A Rush of Blood avoids this pitfall with more worldly concerns thankfully). He may very well be ashamed if nobody liked his music and he was still a 44 year old UCL graduate dancing with aliens, but the fact is he's not because his songs still resonate with millions of other people. Just because it's not us he resonates with, doesn't make his music less valid. He's not a has been like all the other rock acts from the 2000s and there's good reason for that. He still strikes a chord unlike all the knobheads from the rock acts of the 2000s that nobody gives a shit about anymore (Pete Doherty, Kasabian, Razorlight, The Enemy).
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Post by matt on Oct 24, 2021 15:42:38 GMT -5
Not been a good week for United fans lol Paul Scholes shags his daughter and the hero of Barcelona 99 turns into a villain. About as bad as it gets for a football fanbase.
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Post by matt on Oct 23, 2021 15:40:34 GMT -5
Think I'll throw myself off a bridge after seeing that. Dirty manky bastard.
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Post by matt on Oct 22, 2021 7:45:57 GMT -5
It seems when Coldplay tap into traditional music from anywhere in the world, it always conjures up gold. Coldplay seem to have a real reverence for traditional forms of music and I wonder why they succeed where others fail. I think it has something to do with Chris Martin's melodic abilities, there's something universal and breezy there that doesn't get bogged down by being generic pop melodies (see the likes of industry songwriter Ryan Tedder) or rock drudgery. There's always the risk of becoming self-indulgent with it ala Brian Pern but they never do that either. That recalls the album U2 were intending to make for No Line on the Horizon. They went in with full intentions of a dramatic stylistic shift, like they'd done previously for Unforgettable Fire or Achtung Baby. The intention was 'futuristic hymns' that used experimental forms of music influenced by North African music, going so far with the intention to record fully in Morocco with Brian Eno (like they did with Hansa in Berlin for Achtung Baby). They failed by some distance reverting to dad rawk. But I always thought that idea would be right up Coldplay's street - I'd love them to do that, and I think the results would be spectacular. There's almost a child like fascination Chris Martin has with various forms of music and that is reflected in the varied songs they do. In that sense, Brian Eno really is untapped potential. He'd deliver on that promise for Coldplay. But when the charts keep calling you, then priorities are obviously different. I just wonder what would have happened if Viva La Vida was met with universal acclaim rather than mere begrudging acceptance by the snobbish music critics and whether this would have encouraged them more to go in this direction. Coldplay are at their creative best when it’s the four members being featured heavily. All extremely talented. That is when they really cook up the goods. Keep in mind Brian Eno is like 74 years old. He might not be as fresh as he once was. That would be like George Martin producing an Oasis album which is once what the kids said on the net back in the late 90s. Jeez, I always think he's still 60. Now I recall it, I think he said he's finished with producing albums for other acts.
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Post by matt on Oct 22, 2021 7:43:53 GMT -5
I'm surprised they didn't add "The Race" to Spheres Volume 1. It certainly needed it. The leak I have is from the Ghost Stories sessions and it sounds top notch. Shocked it didn't make that album but I guess they didn't need two songs with dance beat elements. Literally just heard this song for the first time. Really good tune. God knows how many excellent songs they have lying on the cutting room floor.
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Post by matt on Oct 22, 2021 7:35:49 GMT -5
Church is one of their most beautiful songs ever. Very Viva-era. It seems when Coldplay tap into traditional music from anywhere in the world, it always conjures up gold. Coldplay seem to have a real reverence for traditional forms of music and I wonder why they succeed where others fail. I think it has something to do with Chris Martin's melodic abilities, there's something universal and breezy there that doesn't get bogged down by being generic pop melodies (see the likes of industry songwriter Ryan Tedder) or rock drudgery. There's always the risk of becoming self-indulgent with it ala Brian Pern but they never do that either. That recalls the album U2 were intending to make for No Line on the Horizon. They went in with full intentions of a dramatic stylistic shift, like they'd done previously for Unforgettable Fire or Achtung Baby. The intention was 'futuristic hymns' that used experimental forms of music influenced by North African music, going so far with the intention to record fully in Morocco with Brian Eno (like they did with Hansa in Berlin for Achtung Baby). They failed by some distance reverting to dad rawk. But I always thought that idea would be right up Coldplay's street - I'd love them to do that, and I think the results would be spectacular. There's almost a child like fascination Chris Martin has with various forms of music and that is reflected in the varied songs they do. In that sense, Brian Eno really is untapped potential. He'd deliver on that promise for Coldplay. But when the charts keep calling you, then priorities are obviously different. I just wonder what would have happened if Viva La Vida was met with universal acclaim rather than mere begrudging acceptance by the snobbish music critics and whether this would have encouraged them more to go in this direction.
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Post by matt on Oct 21, 2021 12:26:07 GMT -5
What's the idea behind 'Volume II' - I haven't seen any news regarding it. Is it confirmed or just rumours?
Anyway, all this Coldplay business means I've been revisiting them and listening frequently over the last week or so. Again, the song Church really is one of their most beautiful works ever.
I've seen it described as ambient and transcendental, but the combination of East meets West music composition with such tasteful collaborators so perfectly fits and doesn't seem forced or tacked on. Musically, it is perfect. And it has typically universal lyrics of a more spiritual perspective that only emphasise the unity on offer.
It's fucking great, this is what they are great at and a shame this flies under the noses of the haters. Sad thing is, nobody knows but if you know, at least you know.
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Post by matt on Oct 21, 2021 11:33:49 GMT -5
Quite like Sam Fender from what I've heard. Working class voice but it hasn't got any of that faux-outrage and platitudes to it (see IDLES who aren't even working class). Quite sincere in his lyrics too and got big melodies to his tunes.
I'll be a sucker to anything Springsteen influenced so the style is up my street.
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Post by matt on Oct 21, 2021 10:48:13 GMT -5
It's mad how Ashcroft has a problem with scientifically approved vaccines yet he's probably injected himself with god knows what toxic substances over the years. I don't think we know for sure if he does? All he did was (wrongly IMO) pull that gig at Warrington because he didn't want to play a gig that was only for people with vaccine passes or negative tests. Didn't think that was 'rock n roll'.I don't think he's said anything about the vaccines themselves? This is the issue, people just connect the dots. As far as I'm aware, we know as much about RA's views on the vaccine as we do LG's. We only know Noel had his because he mentioned it on Morgan's podcast, wasn't it? So potentially infecting loads of other people is rock n roll? I know the spirit of rock n roll derives from the hippies of the 60s in living a 'free and easy' life, but my god, the more I look into the rock n roll myth, the more I see it for what it really was - an excuse to be a careless selfish c*nt. The fact you have fuds like Eric Clapton and Roger Daltrey all being total whackjobs says everything you need to know about being 'rock n roll'. What was the epitome of 'cool' back in the day is laughed upon as boomer self-indulgence these days. And quite rightly too.
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Post by matt on Oct 21, 2021 7:57:53 GMT -5
Nice to see the real Brian Cox take back the mantle of 'the real Brian Cox' after it being hijacked for years by that annoying science guy.
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Post by matt on Oct 21, 2021 7:52:50 GMT -5
It's mad how Ashcroft has a problem with scientifically approved vaccines yet he's probably injected himself with god knows what toxic substances over the years.
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Post by matt on Oct 21, 2021 7:46:03 GMT -5
I tried coming up with a combined magnum opus made up of songs from MX, AHFOD and MOTS, but it was basically just MX with Birds, Adventure of a Lifetime, and Coloratura (with Hymn for the Weekend or Amazing Day). Also, I've realized recently that Amazing Day is a better song than I thought. I wish the "Oh oh oh oh" vocal part was a guitar solo because that would've elevated the song better but it's a nice 7 or 8/10 tune. Nothing great but a very pleasant tune that's a nice listen. Fun still sounds bland. Army of One could've been on X&Y without Stargate and/or with Ken Nelson. X Marks the Spot is still a pile of shit. I despise the poor mixing on Up&Up. Everything is pretty good, minus the gripes I had above with Hymn for the Weekend. Obligatory album ranking: Viva/Rush/MX/Parachutes/EL/X&Y, GS/AHFOD/MOTS I have to revise my opinion above on A Head Full of Dreams as I hadn't listened to it in years. I went back to it yesterday and I'm shocked at how much I enjoyed. I can't call an album 'abysmal' when it contains A Head Full of Dreams, Adventure of a Lifetime, Hymn For The Weekend and Up & Up on it. Birds is also a lovely little tune, so there you have five good tracks there and was surprised at how much I enjoyed them, especially Adventure of a Lifetime which has a great riff. My complaints still stand in that it still has some dreadful filler on it but I can only think that my dislike of songs like Hymn For The Weekend some years back stemmed from a narrow minded 'indie cred sense of superiority' that I wanted them to pursue. Interestingly, I could make a playlist of Coldplay during that era (14/15) which would make a very strong album combining the best songs from Ghost Stories and Head Full of Dreams. Again, proof that focusing on one album for 3-4 years would result in a very good album for Coldplay, and the same applies with Everyday Life and Music of the Spheres. Flip side of that view is that their variation would make it impossible for a combination of these songs on one album, but generally, there is strong evidence that their hit rate of excellent songs is still as good as ever and any other band, however we tend to forget that quality as releases are often diluted with less than quality tunes.
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Post by matt on Oct 20, 2021 17:17:49 GMT -5
Still salty after he beat the peado president to a pulp?
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Post by matt on Oct 19, 2021 17:50:33 GMT -5
Would never have thought I’d still be here after latching onto the Dig Out Your Soul hype train in August 2008. Social media accounts have come and gone in the time since yet never thought for a second about not coming back here. Thanks for the great discussion everyone, testament to the quality folk here who’ve kept us coming back for more. Long may it continue.
P.S. I’m still impressed that I’m averaging a 1000 posts a year - it’s been pretty much almost a 1000 since I started with no variation at all!
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Post by matt on Oct 19, 2021 17:36:39 GMT -5
BRILLIANT/VERY GOOD 1. Viva La Vida or Death & All His Friends (packs a punch, doesn’t drag, throws curveballs and is the most varied thing they’ve ever done).
2. A Rush of Blood to the Head (not nearly as varied in styles as VLV so as a whole album can feel a bit similar in tone but the classics are all here, bookended by two of their greatest songs ever.
3. Mylo Xyloto (see below)
4. Everyday Life (could have been VLV II with a bit more focus and development, but it’s sketchy nature was intended as the stop gap release it is so no major complaints. Does contain some of their best songs ever too).
GOOD 5. Parachutes (not as good as everyone makes out - I.e. the haters who say this was all they did. It’s mope rock with not much variety lets be honest.
6. X&Y (may have been further down the list but for a handful of genuinely great songs (I still absolutely love Talk).
OKAY 7. Ghost Stories (find a lot of this drab but there are some real diamonds of beauty here too).
MEDIOCRE 8. Music of the Spheres
POOR 9. A Head Full Of Dreams (permission to shoot me if I ever start to show appreciation for the abysmal Amazing Day and Everglow). Coldplay’s Heathen Chemistry, my god I didn’t think it was possible but it may even be worse as the singles from HC are better than anything here.
Interesting ranking for me personally, as Mylo Xyloto is an album that very slowly I’ve come round to appreciate. Never liked it on release as I was expecting VLV part 2 or something in that artsy vibe, but over time, it is their most brilliant piece of pure pop they’ve ever released, and some great guitar work that makes it feel like a real band effort. Nothing moves me emotionally like the melancholy of previous albums but it has such great positive energy and melody, only complaint is I’d take off the three slower numbers (even if many love those songs) and just make it relentless pop from start to finish. This is where Coldplay really fled the ‘miserly’ tag of previous years. Who knows, maybe one day we’ll hear Car Kids or other songs floating around those sessions and it may very well complete the album for me.
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Post by matt on Oct 18, 2021 12:48:44 GMT -5
It’s that blend of being in the hands of professional music industry folk and his raw, spontaneous attitude - it just balances perfectly. Great marketing, top skilled songwriters and all pulled off with the effortless charisma and voice of Liam.
What him and Noel are doing provides a greater legacy to Oasis than if they were still churning out mediocre Oasis albums like they were in the 2000s.
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Post by matt on Oct 18, 2021 9:44:34 GMT -5
10 years already!!
I remember being very disciplined and not listening to any leaks, as has been the case for every Gallagher release since.
I loved it at first. The second half does drag a bit and needs desperate injection of energy to save from ploddingness but the start is strong, regardless of the Sardy's heavy handed drab production. Compared to the more colourful efforts of Who Built The Moon, it does seem surprisingly tame but still prefer it to Chasing Yesterday.
Everybody's On The Run is still an instant classic. Love it, and still the opener for any future playlist/setlist of ideal High Flying Birds songs.
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Post by matt on Oct 18, 2021 8:00:18 GMT -5
Let's be honest, this is a very blokey thread with blokey music tastes and we're trying to weigh up the merits of a Selena Gomez collaboration? It's clear this ain't for us, and the reality, I'm not the one to judge but millions of younger folk will lap it up so good for them. I don't like this Coldplay album, and I like it less than U2's last album, or Doves last album, or REM's last album. And yet I admire them more for it - they just don't seem to fail with it. Chris Martin has a clear intention and succeeds all the time. Of course, time waits for no man and it won't be long before Coldplay lose their target audience, which will be interesting to see what they do from there on. I much prefer if Coldplay continued in the vein of being prolific rather than waiting for an album every few years - it seems they go in various directions creatively, which while it hasn't produced a wholly complete and substantial album, it does throw curveballs like Aliens one year, Arabesque the next and My Universe the next year. If I could compile a playlist of Coldplay songs from 2000 to present day, the variety on display would be immense. I don't think people give them enough credit for just how varied an act they are.Couldn't agree more. It's hard to think of a single mainstream act that's written successful/strong songs in so many genres. But what they've always managed to before now was create an album with a clear identity, a mood and tone that brought the sounds together. Parachutes is the love-lorn, hazy, indie one. Viva is the vibrant, art-rock, historical one. Ghost Stories is the icy, minimalist, heartbroken one. Music of the Spheres, for all its variety, comes across almost as a playlist. I don't know what mood I would have to be in to want to listen to all these songs in a row - there's never a tone set or a mood established. That's what I mean by "less than the sum of its parts" - play me most of these track on their own, and I'll enjoy them, but they don't come together to form a pleasing album. I almost feel that it could have been released as an EP, with Volume II and III to follow, and got a better reception: 1. Music of the Spheres 2. Humankind 3. Higher Power 4. My Universe 5. Human Heart 6. Biutyful 7. Infinity Sign 8. Coloratura The EP thing would make sense, gives them more flexibility to just release songs that don't have a coherent sound - I keep forgetting Colouratura is on this album to be honest as it doesn't come close to fitting the vibe of other songs. I think this is also telling in that the 'album' as an artform is dying amongst pop acts. It seems hip-hop carries this responsibility in releasing one coherent piece of work. I'm not too fussed, Coldplay these days are like a selection box of chocolates - I can pick and choose tracks here and there that I like, so that's why I advocate them being more prolific these days rather than knuckling down on just one piece of work for 4 years.
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