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Post by mahsteve on Jun 9, 2015 15:16:49 GMT -5
The quality has to be at least A- I thought something like this: Definitely Maybe Tour: Live at the Metro, Chicago 1994 Commondore Ballroom, Vancouver 1995 ?? (What's The Story) Morning Glory? Tour Earls Court, London 1995 Maine Road, Manchester 1996 MTV Unplugged, London 1996 Be Here Now Tour Brabanthallen, Den Bosch 1997 G-MEX Centre, Manchester 1997 Rosemont Horizon, Chicago 1998 Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants Tour Familiar To Millions ?? ?? Barrowlands, Glasgow 2001 Heathen Chemistry Tour Finsbury Park, London 2002 MTV Superdry, Tokyo 2002 ?? Don't Believe The Truth Tour V-Festival, Chelmsford 2005 City of Manchester Stadium 2005 ?? Dig Out Your Soul Tour River Plate Stadium, Buenos Aires 2009 Black Island Studios, London 2008 ?? Good list! I'd add: DM tour: Gleneagles 1994 (Liam's voice is ACE on this one!) BHN tour: I'd consider the Budokan 1998 gig. Hard to say which one I'd drop from those three you've mentioned for Budokan. SOTSOG: Yokohama 2000 (Some songs on the set that were dropped later during the tour, Hey Hey, My My and SMC) Jools Holland 2000 (Short but sweet setlist, solid performance) DBTT: Boston Tweeter Centre (clearly one of Liam's better days) DOYS: I'd consider the Electric Proms gig. Not because Liam was spot-on but because of the choir. When you say best gigs, do you mean sound quality or that the band were on form? Yeah would agree with what u have put in your lists. But just a few honourable mentions for these gigs as they were pro shot DM Live by the sea - Southend cliffs pavilion 1995 WTSMG Knebworth 1996? BHN SOTSOG I don't know which one but there must be a decent quality gig from the brotherly love tour in 2001 HC DBTT Alcatraz Milan 2005
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 9, 2015 12:50:28 GMT -5
I have the BHN box with photo book released to the fan base in 1997 ...sadly I don't think it's that rare :-(
I also have the 1998 oasis calendar DM and WTSMG cigarette singles boxes 1996 official oasis magazine
...so to sum up, no I have nothing rare :-(
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 9, 2015 12:44:34 GMT -5
If they're running thin on material to fill out this issue, I can totally picture them sticking awful nonsense on there to fill it out. Can you imagine? It'd be stuff like "Chris Evans asks Noel Gallagher to play a couple of Hope, I Think, I Know chords on TFI Friday." That'll be the closest they get to exclusive material, this is why we need Mustique. Ha! I remember watching that Noel interview on TFI Friday at the time, was gutted when he didn't play anything. They used to show the same TFI Friday show again later the same evening and Chris Evans said they would get Noel to play a couple of songs on acoustic and broadcast it on the later show at 11pm, sadly they didn't persuade him to do it ...was gutted. An acoustic version of I hope I think I know would have would good.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 9, 2015 11:33:31 GMT -5
Just to throw a curve baller into the mix...
I'm sure in an interview in the official oasis magazine released in 1996 producer Owen Morris stated that during the recording of WTSMG Noel played acoustic versions of 2 or 3 songs for the next album. One of the them was don't go away and another may have been all around the world.
Was wondering if these recordings would make it onto the BHN reissue?
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 8, 2015 14:55:32 GMT -5
By all accounts The Real People really helped oasis in the early days pre DM. I believe they let oasis use their studio in Liverpool either for free or a certainly a much reduced fee, they helped record and produce early demos and were an influence on Liam's singing (definitely on Columbia).
The griffiths brothers are obviously good lads and it was great that they were recognised for their help and interviewed for the DM DVD in 2004.
Is it one of the griffiths brothers that sings backing vocals on supersonic?
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 8, 2015 14:03:01 GMT -5
Yeah it's don't go away. surely the real people must have got some sort of writing credit or payment for the use of those lyrics? I'm sure they are given a writing credit for rockin chair.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 7, 2015 15:52:24 GMT -5
I just found this interview from September 2014 on YouTube with Paul Stacy, it's mainly about a guitar rig but he mentions how he got to work with oasis.
Paul Stacy played keyboards for oasis during the BHN tour, he helped Noel record demos, he played guitars and bass on SOTSOG and has had a role in all of the bands albums since. He also worked with Noel on both his solo albums.
Apologies if u have already seen it.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 7, 2015 10:01:17 GMT -5
To be fair, I'd dance like that if I was 24, had loads of money in the bank and was the singer in the best band in the world.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 7, 2015 7:58:57 GMT -5
high expectations could be the death of the mustique demos like stop the clocks and record machine.
As someone has already mentioned, I expect the demos to be similar to angel child, but who knows!
Do we know what songs are on the mustique demo tape?
I would have thought MBM and IGBM are not on the tape as the band were playing them in sound checks on the U.S. tour in January 1996.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 7, 2015 0:50:43 GMT -5
Just for interest, this is a short video of Chris Robinson from the black crowes talking about oasis and the tour of brotherly love in 2001
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 7, 2015 0:45:23 GMT -5
Drummer Alan white missed the U.S. Tour with the black crowes in May 2001 possibly due to tendinitis in his hand. His brother Steve white (who at the time worked with Paul weller) played drums on this tour. I thought he was good. I know very little about drumming but I thought he sounded more like a rock drummer than Alan white and was really good particularly on Columbia and fade away which the band played on that tour. I believe Mike Rowe returned on keyboards for that tour replacing zeb Jameson who played throughout the SOTSOG tour. I rate him, but not as highly as Alan. Andy and Gem were excited and bringing new things to the table, and new material was still In embryonic form. Great tour, one of my favourites Yeah I think the tour of brotherly love with the black crowes in 2001 consodated their position in America in that they built on the SOTSOG tour and rebuilt their reputation as a great live band. I think they ended up playing 3 nights at radio city music hall in NY which is a prestigious venue. When watching the DVD documentaries which came with the HC singles you can see the band are happy and excited about recording with Gem and Andy.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 7, 2015 0:34:25 GMT -5
When the BHN chasing the sun reissue comes out it wi be interesting to read the reviews and how NME, Q magazine etc perceive the album now, about 18 years later. I wouldn't be surprised if they agree with what seems the majority of people's thoughts on this forum eg everyone got carried away with it, it's a bit too long, poor production, a few poor songs and lyrics but that it also contains some great songs and Liam's voice is strong. A Missed opportunity?
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 6, 2015 17:08:47 GMT -5
In a way it's ironic, as WTSMG initially received mixed reviews, but is now regarded as one of the greatest albums of all time. In BHN's case, the hype was so great, and critics were jumping on the opportunity to be part of the bands success and hype, that all initial reviews were positive, and no-one dared say a bad word against the world's biggest band. But alas, like with many things, only time can tell its place in history. Thankfully, it has since become a 'gem' amongst fans. The album defined an incredible time of the 90's. Yeah I agree, it was ridiculous at the time. Q magazine gave the album 5 stars which was a bit over the top. I think the whole episode massively influenced music journalism in that they wouldn't give OTT levels of positive reviews and would not be as influenced by management companies making the. Sign confidentiality clauses etc etc
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 6, 2015 17:03:13 GMT -5
I remember listening to the evening session with Steve Lamaq on BBC Radio 1 shortly before BHN was released. Lamaq played half the album one night and was going to play the rest the next evening. Unfortunately oasis management, ignition, prevented him playing the rest of the album saying that he didn't talk enough over the songs the previous night.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 6, 2015 16:49:05 GMT -5
The main SOTSOG tour finished at the end of August 2000. The band then did 3 festival dates in South America in January 2001 and did a joint tour in the USA with the black crowes (the tour of brotherly love) from May to mid June 2001. At the end of June the band played a gig in Paris France, which I believe was a support slot for Neil Young. The band played at the Fuji rock festival on the 27th July (which is where the video of morning glory is from) Liam had a break from singing of just over a month so his voice would have been in good shape. New band was tight on Brotherly Love Tour. Barrowlands and New York were great Drummer Alan white missed the U.S. Tour with the black crowes in May 2001 possibly due to tendinitis in his hand. His brother Steve white (who at the time worked with Paul weller) played drums on this tour. I thought he was good. I know very little about drumming but I thought he sounded more like a rock drummer than Alan white and was really good particularly on Columbia and fade away which the band played on that tour. I believe Mike Rowe returned on keyboards for that tour replacing zeb Jameson who played throughout the SOTSOG tour.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 6, 2015 15:24:32 GMT -5
Is this the Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants tour? The main SOTSOG tour finished at the end of August 2000. The band then did 3 festival dates in South America in January 2001 and did a joint tour in the USA with the black crowes (the tour of brotherly love) from May to mid June 2001. At the end of June the band played a gig in Paris France, which I believe was a support slot for Neil Young. The band played at the Fuji rock festival on the 27th July (which is where the video of morning glory is from) Liam had a break from singing of just over a month so his voice would have been in good shape.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 5, 2015 16:41:34 GMT -5
Sorry if I'm not technically answering the question :-) A short trip down memory lane!
First listened to oasis and liking them when watching the videos of supersonic, shaker maker and live forever on 'the chart show' on ITV in 1994. Remember thinking it was odd in the live forever video that they buried the tony mccarroll and Liam was sat on a chair halfway up a wall!
A friend then gave me a cassette tape containing a gig in Paris and some demos (I later found out this was the 'Paris 94 and Demos' bootleg). I thought rock n roll star and fade away from this gig were brilliant. Sad song was on it too which I thought was great.
My sister had a job and money at the time and bought DM and all the singles so I got to listen to them all
The first oasis single I bought was roll with it. I thought the b sides were really good. I knew nothing about music and how it was recorded at the time and wondered if it was bonehead playing the lead guitar parts and acoustic riffs on its better people while Noel sang the song.
The same friend bought WTSMG in the week it was released and kindly let me borrow it. I must have worn the cassette tape out listening to it so many times!
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 4, 2015 6:58:59 GMT -5
Interesting thoughts. Post 1998 the band worked with Paul 'strangeboy' Stacy, jan 'stan' kybert and mark 'spike' stent and Peter de Havilland who all would have thrown ideas into the mix. Yeah I see what your saying about the demoing process. Sometimes they got it right first time such as TIOBI and Lyla and then other times big changes where made like on songbird and Hindu times. I suppose it never helps when Noel is working in London on his own and Liam and the rest are at wheeler end studios. A bit disfunctional perhaps. Bands that work together for a long time tend to have that disfunctional phase you're talking about. The Beatles had it for instance, and it's still produced good tunes. But it can also destroy a band, and in the end, it destroyed Oasis (and the Beatles), Noel thinking he could go solo... It's not a problem as long as everybody's happy with the process i guess. But it seems it was frustrating here, Noel bringing his recordings and the others working their ass off to get only at best one or two tunes on the record. Maybe the quality wasn't good enough (probably). I had a written a longer reply before but it got deleted, but basically, if you look at all their recordings, the better ones are the ones that are not overthought (MG + MG bsides) or demos remixed (parts of DBTT, parts of SOTSOG) or live like recordings (DM). While i like the rest, it's a bit behind in terms of quality. I guess in the 2000s the pressure was high to produce a great comeback album, that's why they had all those demoing sessions, but in the end, it hurt the final recordings. Yeah I agree. I think it also doesn't help during the 2003-2004 period that Noel would have been recording his songs with other musicians as well for example terry kirkbride drumming on mucky fingers and Noel also working with Paul 'strangeboy' Stacy. And then the rest of the band would have been working together on their tracks.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 4, 2015 3:51:33 GMT -5
I don't think it continued through DOYS, because AGN, SO and IOT seem to be written, or at least started, during the DBTT era. SO was said to be a demo Liam made with Andy. And I think BDI were more of the kind to work together in the studio... have we any demo from them? BTW, I wonder if that AGN demo that's on youtube was recorded with this Peter. The fully formed HC demos and even SOTSOG demos prove that they hired at least quality sound engineers to produce those tracks. They sound like finished products that any band would be happy to put out. And to me, that's why recording sessions for the actual albums went so wrong since the 2000s. They put too much effort in the demos and the inspiration was gone when it was time to "really" record those tracks. Interesting thoughts. Post 1998 the band worked with Paul 'strangeboy' Stacy, jan 'stan' kybert and mark 'spike' stent and Peter de Havilland who all would have thrown ideas into the mix. Yeah I see what your saying about the demoing process. Sometimes they got it right first time such as TIOBI and Lyla and then other times big changes where made like on songbird and Hindu times. I suppose it never helps when Noel is working in London on his own and Liam and the rest are at wheeler end studios. A bit disfunctional perhaps.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 4, 2015 3:36:56 GMT -5
Apologies I can't get It down to ten. Would Like this as a playlist. In no particular order.
Fuckin in the bushes Go let it out Gas panic Let's all make believe
Hindu times Songbird Stop crying you heart out Little by little You've got the heart of a star
Stop the clocks Record machine
Turn up the sun Lyla Mucky fingers The importance of being idle Let there be love Eyeball tickler Who put the weight of the world on my shoulders
Lord don't slow me down (prefer Liam singing it)
Bag it up The turning Waiting for the rapture The shock of the lightning Falling down To be where there's life (Richard fearless mix)
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 3, 2015 3:07:28 GMT -5
He is a bit inconsistent, he underproduced some songs on DBTT and overproduced some songs on HFB, but he did a very good job on DOYS.Aside from how he put the choir on the chorus of The Turning to be far too quiet in the mix on that song, I agree. After all, he helped to make GOYHH seem halfway decent, and fit into the context of the album, so that's a pretty good accomplishment. I agree Dave sardy must have done a good job on DOYS in difficult circumstances, in the sense that they never properly finished the album off possibly due to an argument or Liam and Noel not working in the studio at the same time. I don't think GOYHHL was supposed to be on DOYS but ended up on there because STC, RM and potentially a few others did not get finished. They had forgotten aboutt Solider On and put it on at the end. I wonder if they really wanted it as the final song or had to chose it as they had nothing else. So in summary I think Sardy must have done a good job to hold it together and make the songs sound good as a group
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 3, 2015 2:55:25 GMT -5
Yeah I remember this, u can watch the video on YouTube. But just to clarify, this is not the time de Havilland is referring to. His story is around the time 2002-2003. He had left long before 2006. I thought it was weird, considering the years. Could you please give me the link to the video you talked about? The link for the 2006 gig is here I don't think anyone filmed him singing but caught him just as he finished
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 2, 2015 17:03:28 GMT -5
It's from 2006: www.nme.com/news/richard-ashcroft/22058Liam Gallagher makes surprise London appearance Oasis man helps out an old friend Richard Ashcroft was joined onstage by Liam Gallagher at his London show last night (January 24). The Oasis singer appeared onstage at Camden Electric Ballroom to help out on a version of ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’, a Number One hit for Ashcroft’s old band The Verve back in 1997. According to fans at the show Ashcroft was struggling with a rendition of the song and was lying on the floor when Gallagher came onstage to pick him up and encourage him to carry on, which he did. When he finished the song Gallagher came on again and started applauding. Then he spoke into the microphone to praise Ashcroft for being a “free spirit”. Read more at www.nme.com/news/richard-ashcroft/22058#6ZxiZCwBdbcb0SF1.99Yeah I remember this, u can watch the video on YouTube. But just to clarify, this is not the time de Havilland is referring to. His story is around the time 2002-2003. He had left long before 2006.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 2, 2015 16:59:04 GMT -5
So Liam has sang The Drugs Don't Work not once, but twice? I've never heard of this before. Are there any recordings? Just been doing some digging (sad I know!) Have tried to verify the story mentioned in the article. Oasis played at the royal Albert hall for the teenage cancer trust charity on 6th February 2002 with Richard Ashcroft supporting. On 26th March 2003 Richard Ashcroft played a set at the royal Albert hall for the same charity and members of oasis were present (Liam, Noel, gem and also terry kirkbride) . In the article it mentions Noel wearing a blue shirt which he is in 2003, photo here www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/noel-and-liam-gallagher-of-rock-band-oasis-attend-a-charity-news-photo/2099159
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Post by mahsteve on May 31, 2015 16:25:07 GMT -5
I was aware they had a tough time recording songs for don't believe the truth around that time, obviously loosing Alan white and having to find a new drummer (eventually getting Zak starkey) would have been unsettling. Frustrating really as they had some good songs around at the time that they never got right like stop the clocks and record machine. I think it's such a shame they didn't use the Liam verson of Lord don't slow me down, although I suppose it's right at the edge of his range. The b side Those swollen hand blues was also around at this time (it sounds as if it was on the same recording as mucky fingers). I think it's a good b side and should have been used for one of the DBTT singles instead of being held back for a single off DOYS.
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