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Post by PollyWantsACracker on Jun 2, 2015 21:13:16 GMT -5
Why do most, if not all of you on here hate Dave Sardy? I think he is better than say...Rick Rubin for example.
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Post by World71R on Jun 2, 2015 21:21:58 GMT -5
He brought the brickwalled loudness back to Oasis, and carried it over with some of the HFB stuff. That's a big reason for it.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 2, 2015 21:36:23 GMT -5
Why the stupid ass question?
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Post by PollyWantsACracker on Jun 2, 2015 21:43:03 GMT -5
He brought the brickwalled loudness back to Oasis, and carried it over with some of the HFB stuff. That's a big reason for it. Not only did he brickwall Oasis on DBTT and DOYS.... But from the same year DBTT came out, Wolfmother's debut album, one of my favs from 2005, was also produced by Sardy. That album was a brickwalled train wreck! The whole CD is literally in the red from beginning to end!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 2, 2015 22:02:51 GMT -5
Dave Sardy? More like Dave Sucky.
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Post by Jailbird on Jun 2, 2015 22:20:35 GMT -5
Dave Sardy? More like Dave Sucky.
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Post by Headmaster on Jun 2, 2015 22:26:09 GMT -5
He is a bit inconsistent, he underproduced some songs on DBTT and overproduced some songs on HFB, but he did a very good job on DOYS.
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Post by World71R on Jun 2, 2015 23:27:06 GMT -5
He is a bit inconsistent, he underproduced some songs on DBTT and overproduced some songs on HFB, but he did a very good job on DOYS.Aside from how he put the choir on the chorus of The Turning to be far too quiet in the mix on that song, I agree. After all, he helped to make GOYHH seem halfway decent, and fit into the context of the album, so that's a pretty good accomplishment.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 3, 2015 3:07:28 GMT -5
He is a bit inconsistent, he underproduced some songs on DBTT and overproduced some songs on HFB, but he did a very good job on DOYS.Aside from how he put the choir on the chorus of The Turning to be far too quiet in the mix on that song, I agree. After all, he helped to make GOYHH seem halfway decent, and fit into the context of the album, so that's a pretty good accomplishment. I agree Dave sardy must have done a good job on DOYS in difficult circumstances, in the sense that they never properly finished the album off possibly due to an argument or Liam and Noel not working in the studio at the same time. I don't think GOYHHL was supposed to be on DOYS but ended up on there because STC, RM and potentially a few others did not get finished. They had forgotten aboutt Solider On and put it on at the end. I wonder if they really wanted it as the final song or had to chose it as they had nothing else. So in summary I think Sardy must have done a good job to hold it together and make the songs sound good as a group
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Post by andymorris on Jun 3, 2015 3:11:30 GMT -5
I'm not feeling the hate for Dave Sardy. Sure the records could have been better produced but there's some great tracks he's worked on over the years with Oasis and Noel.
DOYS has a great sound, HFB 1 is mostly well produced too, apart from RM and STC which is a shame. But can't complain, he's a good producer.
Worst job he did with Oasis was on DBTT, but this is a weird record, with Noel's demos thrown in.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 3, 2015 8:10:02 GMT -5
I'm not feeling the hate for Dave Sardy. Sure the records could have been better produced but there's some great tracks he's worked on over the years with Oasis and Noel. DOYS has a great sound, HFB 1 is mostly well produced too, apart from RM and STC which is a shame. But can't complain, he's a good producer. Worst job he did with Oasis was on DBTT, but this is a weird record, with Noel's demos thrown in. You could give me a 100 million choices and I'd still never pick Sardy. Boring production, underwhelming resume.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 8:40:48 GMT -5
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Post by PollyWantsACracker on Jun 3, 2015 9:33:18 GMT -5
I'm not feeling the hate for Dave Sardy. Sure the records could have been better produced but there's some great tracks he's worked on over the years with Oasis and Noel. DOYS has a great sound, HFB 1 is mostly well produced too, apart from RM and STC which is a shame. But can't complain, he's a good producer. Worst job he did with Oasis was on DBTT, but this is a weird record, with Noel's demos thrown in. You could give me a 100 million choices and I'd still never pick Sardy. Boring production, underwhelming resume. Then who would you have chosen, Rick Rubin? Spike Stent? Who then?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 3, 2015 13:28:33 GMT -5
You could give me a 100 million choices and I'd still never pick Sardy. Boring production, underwhelming resume. Then who would you have chosen, Rick Rubin? Spike Stent? Who then? That's so easy.......... Markus Dravs Nigel Godrich Danger Mouse James Murphy Dave Fridmann Jim O’Rourke John Leckie Ken Nelson Rick Rubin? What year is it? 1988?
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Post by PollyWantsACracker on Jun 3, 2015 13:35:24 GMT -5
Then who would you have chosen, Rick Rubin? Spike Stent? Who then? That's so easy.......... Markus Dravs Nigel Godrich Danger Mouse James Murphy Dave Fridmann Jim O’Rourke John Leckie Rick Rubin? What year is it? 1988? Did you know, that Dave Fridmann is infamous for brickwalling albums post 97? He especially screwed up all The Flaming Lips albums post Clouds Taste Metallic. His absurd use of compression is especially noticable on At War With The Mystics, the loudest Flaming Lips album. I'd think twice before choosing him if I were you, buddy.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 3, 2015 13:39:53 GMT -5
That's so easy.......... Markus Dravs Nigel Godrich Danger Mouse James Murphy Dave Fridmann Jim O’Rourke John Leckie Rick Rubin? What year is it? 1988? Did you know, that Dave Fridmann is infamous for brickwalling albums post 97? He especially screwed up all The Flaming Lips albums post Clouds Taste Metallic. His absurd use of compression is especially noticable on At War With The Mystics, the loudest Flaming Lips album. I'd think twice before choosing him if I were you, buddy. Oh yeah? Well he kicked MAJOR ass on The Soft Bulletin, Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots and At War With The Mystics. Guy rebounded very well. Plus I like some of the work he did with Modest Mouse.
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Post by PollyWantsACracker on Jun 3, 2015 14:12:37 GMT -5
Just saying Lennon, that if it weren't for his excessive absurd levels of compression he used, I'd have been with you on him.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 3, 2015 14:31:23 GMT -5
Just saying Lennon, that if it weren't for his excessive absurd levels of compression he used, I'd have been with you on him. I also named 6-7 other guys I'd probably pick over him. My top 3 would be Godrich, Dravs, Murphy.
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Post by PollyWantsACracker on Jun 3, 2015 14:37:44 GMT -5
Just saying Lennon, that if it weren't for his excessive absurd levels of compression he used, I'd have been with you on him. I also named 6-7 other guys I'd probably pick over him. My top 3 would be Godrich, Dravs, Murphy. what albums are they most famous for producing?
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jun 3, 2015 14:49:17 GMT -5
I don't think he was very good however he probably doesn't deserve the hate dumped on him here. But he's an easy target, a bit of a scapegoat in some ways.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 3, 2015 15:37:39 GMT -5
I also named 6-7 other guys I'd probably pick over him. My top 3 would be Godrich, Dravs, Murphy. what albums are they most famous for producing? Godrich: Ok Computer, Kid A, In Rainbows, The Man Who, Sea Changes Dravs: Viva La Vida, The Suburbs, Neon Bible, Reflektor, Babel Murphy: LCD Soundsystem, Reflektor Dravs actually produced the Grammy's Album of The Year in both 2011 (Arcade Fire) and 2012 (Mumford & Sons). Pretty cool and rare.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jun 3, 2015 15:46:06 GMT -5
People are saying the records could've sounded better, but that he didn't do a bad job or something along those lines.
"Not a bad job" (or something along those lines) isn't good enough for a band the size of Oasis. They could've picked a way better producer. I agree that DOYS doesn't sound bad, it sounds pretty good. But DBTT and HFB are plodding, and, I've said this a million times before, as if you're stuck with your head in a kitchen sink and it's 1963.
He was probably trying for The Beatles sound. The thing with the Beatles was, however, that they were always looking forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 15:50:58 GMT -5
People are saying the records could've sounded better, but that he didn't do a bad job or something along those lines. "Not a bad job" (or something along those lines) isn't good enough for a band the size of Oasis. They could've picked a way better producer. I agree that DOYS doesn't sound bad, it sounds pretty good. But DBTT and HFB are plodding, and, I've said this a million times before, as if you're stuck with your head in a kitchen sink and it's 1963. He was probably trying for The Beatles sound. The thing with the Beatles was, however, that they were always looking forward. I'm still waiting for the boxset - "Oasis - Mono Masters".
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Post by World71R on Jun 3, 2015 15:51:31 GMT -5
You could give me a 100 million choices and I'd still never pick Sardy. Boring production, underwhelming resume. Then who would you have chosen, Rick Rubin? Spike Stent? Who then? Rick Rubin's rather washed up, but Spike Stent would be good to have. He's a good producer who's worked with quite a few famous pop musicians (Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, Madonna) & bands (Coldplay, Oasis, Green Day, U2) over the years, and has a sprawling discography over the past 30 years. Not to mention, he produced the only Oasis album that had some dynamics to it, and it sounded fantastic, so he'd be my guy, if I had to pick. Brian Eno would be a close second, and then Nigel Godrich, who Lennon2217 mentioned. Hell, maybe even put Stent, Eno, and Godrich together. It'd be cool to see what three brilliant producer minds could do together.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 15:53:18 GMT -5
The guy who produced Chasing Yesterday would be a pretty good shout.
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