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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 8, 2022 17:25:51 GMT -5
Looks like he cares less than you about it. Yes and it's sad tbh Its really not. The songs he's been doing since 2017 have forced him to be better and we've all benefitted from it, both his own and with the Oasis songs.
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Post by leron on Feb 8, 2022 17:27:26 GMT -5
Its really not. The songs he's been doing since 2017 have forced him to be better and we've all benefitted from it, both his own and with the Oasis songs. Singing doesn't work like that Pushing this much, singing with no technique out of your range will damage your voice
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Post by Rolo on Feb 8, 2022 17:28:05 GMT -5
If he sung songs that were just within his range all the time we'd be itching for him to try something new. I don't want an album full of playing it safe just so he can sing them live, I want variation.
If he needs to he can just lower the key live.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Feb 8, 2022 17:28:08 GMT -5
The problem is that it didn't sound very good because the song is "wrong" Too high? Drop a few keys It still sounds wrong? Don't put it on the album He should care more about these things I hear you, but that's not Liam. Anyone waiting for it to be a polished affair is going to be perpetually disappointed.
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Post by megyesitomate on Feb 8, 2022 17:28:26 GMT -5
Also, I can't WAIT to hear it live. The way the pre-chorus sounds, I genuinly think that part is one of the coolest things he's ever sung on. Becoming a big fan of this song.
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Post by leron on Feb 8, 2022 17:31:23 GMT -5
If he sung songs that were just within his range all the time we'd be itching for him to try something new. I don't want an album full of playing it safe just so he can sing them live, I want variation. If he needs to he can just lower the key live. Vocal range has nothing to do with "trying something new" musically speaking The man has no technique, for some reason he refuse to use his falsetto voice live and he's not a high tenor You can be a rnr star with even with a baritone voice
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 8, 2022 17:32:44 GMT -5
Its really not. The songs he's been doing since 2017 have forced him to be better and we've all benefitted from it, both his own and with the Oasis songs. Singing doesn't work like that Pushing this much, singing with no technique out of your range will damage your voice Oh? How does it work? Seems to me, he's been a better, more consistent singer since he returned allowing him to perform songs most thought were long gone.
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Post by leron on Feb 8, 2022 17:33:06 GMT -5
The problem is that it didn't sound very good because the song is "wrong" Too high? Drop a few keys It still sounds wrong? Don't put it on the album He should care more about these things I hear you, but that's not Liam. Anyone waiting for it to be a polished affair is going to be perpetually disappointed. But it's not being a polished affair is it? It's about being in tune and don't losing your voice after 5 minutes
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Feb 8, 2022 17:33:49 GMT -5
I don't rate the new single that high (it's my least favorite lead LG single yet) but the performance was about what I expected. Hell he did it live and it doesn't seem to be the easiest of tunes to belt out. That hat is atrocious, I think he raided the late Walter Matthau's closet
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 8, 2022 17:33:56 GMT -5
If he sung songs that were just within his range all the time we'd be itching for him to try something new. I don't want an album full of playing it safe just so he can sing them live, I want variation. If he needs to he can just lower the key live. Vocal range has nothing to do with "trying something new" musically speaking The man has no technique, for some reason he refuse to use his falsetto voice live and he's not a high tenor You can be a rnr star with even with a baritone voice Any chance there is a reason for that? Any chance that he maybe knows his own voice better than you?
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Post by freddy838 on Feb 8, 2022 17:34:03 GMT -5
Hopefully on tour it will have more of a wall of sound behind it, especially if Bonehead plays.
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Post by Rolo on Feb 8, 2022 17:34:54 GMT -5
After listening back to it he does struggle with the choruses but like I've said, I think that's more to do with how fast the song is, he hasn't got chance to get a big breath in between the pre-chorus and chorus.
The verses and pre-chorus sounds absolutely great though to my ears. Powerful and raspy.
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Post by DCUnited on Feb 8, 2022 17:35:05 GMT -5
Are you having a laugh? Sounded quality , Liam will never sound like 1995 again ever !he’s nearly bloody 50! Impressive the way he tackled that track. Only thing I’d wish is he’d bring back some clothes like he used to wear leather jackets etc it’s obvious a record label thing but needs to change it up. Other than that top notch I don't think its a record label thing, its a hide the belly thing
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 8, 2022 17:35:31 GMT -5
I hear you, but that's not Liam. Anyone waiting for it to be a polished affair is going to be perpetually disappointed. But it's not being a polished affair is it? It's about being in tune and don't losing your voice after 5 minutes Well leron's posts are going to be something to look forward to for the next 12 months
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Post by girllikeabomb on Feb 8, 2022 17:38:21 GMT -5
Nah, no one ever called Liam Pavarotti. I don't think he'd put "professional singer" down as his occupation on any form. He's not going to "compete" with Adele and that lot. But plenty of rough vocals in rock and roll, always was, even if it faded away with the deadly merging of pop into it ... Of course he's no Pavarotti and this is why he needs to care more about these things Take Sinatra, he didn't write his songs but they were perfect for his voice I'd say he's not trying to be Sinatra either. Sinatra thrived on smooth ... Liam the opposite. But the main point is that this song was NOT written for him or by him. We know this now. It was already written by Grohl and Kurstin and then Liam remotely put his vocal on it. So I get that you're not crazy about that as a lead single, but it's a one-off and he decided to go for it. It's not a sign of what else is on the album.
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Post by Rolo on Feb 8, 2022 17:39:07 GMT -5
If he sung songs that were just within his range all the time we'd be itching for him to try something new. I don't want an album full of playing it safe just so he can sing them live, I want variation. If he needs to he can just lower the key live. Vocal range has nothing to do with "trying something new" musically speaking The man has no technique, for some reason he refuse to use his falsetto voice live and he's not a high tenor You can be a rnr star with even with a baritone voice I think you're being a bit harsh on him to be fair leron. To say he has no technique simply isn't true. The last few outings live have been brilliant from Liam, just because he doesn't quite get there in the chorus on one performance he needs to change the way people write songs for him? Come on.
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Post by leron on Feb 8, 2022 17:40:40 GMT -5
Of course he's no Pavarotti and this is why he needs to care more about these things Take Sinatra, he didn't write his songs but they were perfect for his voice I'd say he's not trying to be Sinatra either. Sinatra thrived on smooth ... Liam the opposite. But the main point is that this song was NOT written for him or by him. We know this now. It was already written by Grohl and Kurstin and then Liam remotely put his vocal on it. So I get that you're not crazy about that as a lead single, but it's a one-off and he decided to go for it. It's not a sign of what else is on the album. I know that and I don't like it How could you put as a first single a song that probably has nothing to do with the rest of the album just because it's a catchy song? Music isn't about putting vocals on an instrumental
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Post by leron on Feb 8, 2022 17:42:02 GMT -5
Vocal range has nothing to do with "trying something new" musically speaking The man has no technique, for some reason he refuse to use his falsetto voice live and he's not a high tenor You can be a rnr star with even with a baritone voice I think you're being a bit harsh on him to be fair leron. To say he has no technique simply isn't true. The last few outings live have been brilliant from Liam, just because he doesn't quite get there in the chorus on one performance he needs to change the way people write songs for him? Come on. I'm not being harsh, he's comeback is nothing short of a miracle but that doesn't make him a technical singer
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Post by Rolo on Feb 8, 2022 17:44:05 GMT -5
I think you're being a bit harsh on him to be fair leron. To say he has no technique simply isn't true. The last few outings live have been brilliant from Liam, just because he doesn't quite get there in the chorus on one performance he needs to change the way people write songs for him? Come on. I'm not being harsh, he's comeback is nothing short of a miracle but that doesn't make him a technical singer I think Liam would even say himself he's not the most technical singer, he never has been. You said he had "no technique". Zero. Course he does.
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Post by yogurt on Feb 8, 2022 17:50:19 GMT -5
Vocal range has nothing to do with "trying something new" musically speaking The man has no technique, for some reason he refuse to use his falsetto voice live and he's not a high tenor You can be a rnr star with even with a baritone voice I think you're being a bit harsh on him to be fair leron. To say he has no technique simply isn't true. The last few outings live have been brilliant from Liam, just because he doesn't quite get there in the chorus on one performance he needs to change the way people write songs for him? Come on. I still think when recording the songs, they should find a comfortable key for him to sing in and then lay down the music. Even when I heard the new song a few days ago, my first start was there’s no way he would be able to sing it live well. The studio version is Melodyne’d to death because it’s clearly a bit out of his comfortable range. You can basically hear it on the recording and where they have had to treat flat vocals. I work with that software on a daily basis for my work, so maybe I can hear it clearly. You can still be out of your comfort zone musically and creating interesting things but still within your capabilities when it comes to singing. I don’t think anybody expects or want him to be a super polished and slick performer but that’s not really the point. Many of the greatest rock ‘n’ roll singers could still generally singing tune for a live performance and carry their song. Actually singing in tune and being able to perform your own song without a massive struggle should be the minimum requirement for any singer.
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Post by leron on Feb 8, 2022 17:50:39 GMT -5
I'm not being harsh, he's comeback is nothing short of a miracle but that doesn't make him a technical singer I think Liam would even say himself he's not the most technical singer, he never has been. You said he had "no technique". Zero. Course he does. Of course he has no real technique, the posture, the shouting etc No coach would suggest you to sing like that But it's not about technique with Liam because he's pretty good at "shouting in tune" It was a big part of the oasis sound and we all love that The problem is that ee in this key is completely out of his range and it's not just range It's a very hard song to sing (breathing is not easy for example) So it's not "shouting in tune" but just shouting
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2022 17:53:11 GMT -5
record label isn't telling Liam what to wear why would they make him wear that ugly hat?
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Post by daviesh on Feb 8, 2022 17:53:39 GMT -5
The boring debates about Liam's voice rage on.
I'm gonna logout out of here and log into the Little Simz forum, which incidentally I registered for tonight.
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Post by walrus91 on Feb 8, 2022 17:55:58 GMT -5
Holy shit. That was AWFUL! 😭 Noel is that you? It was pretty insanely good... So I'm guessing this is Noel?
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Post by PepsiNebula on Feb 8, 2022 17:56:01 GMT -5
Also, I can't WAIT to hear it live. The way the pre-chorus sounds, I genuinly think that part is one of the coolest things he's ever sung on. Becoming a big fan of this song. Which bit do you mean when you say "pre-chorus"?
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