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Post by andymorris on Nov 3, 2017 6:31:05 GMT -5
Flat sound, lead parts played badly, no emotion or attitude in the playing. The 2 guitarists are really shit. They dont know how to play Oasis tunes, it's like they are touring for Miley Cyrus. Grow a pair and hit those strings hard dammit.
The result is a bit catastrophic since Liam is shouting like he had a wall of guitars behind him.
Drums and bass are fine though.
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Nov 3, 2017 9:15:26 GMT -5
Excuses and excuses again
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Post by magicman on Nov 3, 2017 14:27:28 GMT -5
the band is doing a bang up job. only if they played the supersonic outro this way >
however i understand not wanting to meddle too much with noel's bits
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Post by Velo on Nov 3, 2017 14:59:18 GMT -5
Funny you mention that considering they're playing the Slide Away outro from that same tour.
The 'Noel' bits they're taking seem to be all over the place. Seems like the SMS and Supersonic stuff was only just learned.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Nov 3, 2017 15:03:23 GMT -5
The problem for me is that the other guitarist (not Jay, although he’s definitely not any better) just looks so nervous the whole time he’s on stage! He’s constantly checking the controls on his guitar, his finger placement on the fret board before his parts start, his pedal settings etc... His hands were even visibly shaking when he played the Rocking Chair solo last night. Maybe it's too much pressure for him. I'm sure he can nail those parts, it's not that he is a bad guitar player, but sometimes stress can be a bitch. I know it for myself, i ve been playing in bands for years and the more relaxed i am the better my playing is.
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Post by OasisDG on Nov 3, 2017 15:06:01 GMT -5
The problem for me is that the other guitarist (not Jay, although he’s definitely not any better) just looks so nervous the whole time he’s on stage! He’s constantly checking the controls on his guitar, his finger placement on the fret board before his parts start, his pedal settings etc... His hands were even visibly shaking when he played the Rocking Chair solo last night. You've got to remember that he is in his first year of touring with one of the biggest musicians of all time. He's allowed to be nervous, and considering he's playing live on the BBC and knows that millions of Oasis fans are going to hear about this performance I think I'd be shitting it a little bit.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Nov 3, 2017 15:08:59 GMT -5
The problem for me is that the other guitarist (not Jay, although he’s definitely not any better) just looks so nervous the whole time he’s on stage! He’s constantly checking the controls on his guitar, his finger placement on the fret board before his parts start, his pedal settings etc... His hands were even visibly shaking when he played the Rocking Chair solo last night. You've got to remember that he is in his first year of touring with one of the biggest musicians of all time. He's allowed to be nervous, and considering he's playing live on the BBC and knows that millions of Oasis fans are going to hear about this performance I think I'd be shitting it a little bit. I think he once opened this forum and freaked out
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Post by deadman on Nov 3, 2017 15:10:16 GMT -5
They've got the worst sounding acoustic guitars I've ever heard. My 20 year old £150 acoustic sounds richer than them.
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Post by mancraider on Nov 3, 2017 15:19:13 GMT -5
The problem for me is that the other guitarist (not Jay, although he’s definitely not any better) just looks so nervous the whole time he’s on stage! He’s constantly checking the controls on his guitar, his finger placement on the fret board before his parts start, his pedal settings etc... His hands were even visibly shaking when he played the Rocking Chair solo last night. You've got to remember that he is in his first year of touring with one of the biggest musicians of all time. He's allowed to be nervous, and considering he's playing live on the BBC and knows that millions of Oasis fans are going to hear about this performance I think I'd be shitting it a little bit. 100%. These guys have went from relative obscurity to this in a blink of an eye an it is only human for nerves to play a part, especially when they are playing such iconic songs and know they are going to get ripped apart whatever they do just for not being Noel/Oasis even if they were flawless. I think it's telling that they seem much more comfortable when playing Liam's new songs. Having said that I personally think they are doing a good job, the rave fan reviews from Liam's latest gigs wouldn't happen if the band were that atrocious, no matter how good Liam sounded. They are after all employed to be a live band first and foremost so if fans leave gigs happy then they've done what they are paid for.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 15:31:49 GMT -5
We should also bear in mind that they have never played as a band before. They are all individuals that Liam put together. They’re doing a great job and will only improve.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Nov 3, 2017 15:42:27 GMT -5
No, seriously, let's not kid ourselves. Liam's solo act is getting big, those guys should get their shit together. It is not sounding good enough for what it's becoming.
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Post by neila83 on Nov 3, 2017 18:29:54 GMT -5
No, seriously, let's not kid ourselves. Liam's solo act is getting big, those guys should get their shit together. It is not sounding good enough for what it's becoming. I agree, and I think Jay has to go. Nerves are no excuse by this stage. The band was cobbled together and alas a bit of ruthlessness is needed. Saying that, they are human and I reallllly hope they don't read this forum!
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Post by walterglass on Nov 3, 2017 18:31:23 GMT -5
Obviously scrutiny nowadays is more intense than ever, what with the interweb and that, but they sound great live. I’ve seen some great Oasis gigs and some flat Oasis gigs. Wednesday at N’castle was up there with the great ones.
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Post by anthmcc on Nov 4, 2017 4:39:08 GMT -5
Obviously scrutiny nowadays is more intense than ever, what with the interweb and that, but they sound great live. I’ve seen some great Oasis gigs and some flat Oasis gigs. Wednesday at N’castle was up there with the great ones. I think that's the issue. In anything people look back and see the good not the bad. It's not like Oasis didn't have ropey gigs (Wembley Night 1 vs Night 2 for example). I do think Liam sounds better on the new material than the 90s numbers personally.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 11:43:02 GMT -5
The problem for me is that the other guitarist (not Jay, although he’s definitely not any better) just looks so nervous the whole time he’s on stage! He’s constantly checking the controls on his guitar, his finger placement on the fret board before his parts start, his pedal settings etc... His hands were even visibly shaking when he played the Rocking Chair solo last night. Agree. I think he's good but he looks like a nervous wreck. I suspect he's a session guy who got persuaded to tour and isn't particularly enjoying it.
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Post by mancraider on Nov 4, 2017 12:03:34 GMT -5
The problem for me is that the other guitarist (not Jay, although he’s definitely not any better) just looks so nervous the whole time he’s on stage! He’s constantly checking the controls on his guitar, his finger placement on the fret board before his parts start, his pedal settings etc... His hands were even visibly shaking when he played the Rocking Chair solo last night. Agree. I think he's good but he looks like a nervous wreck. I suspect he's a session guy who got persuaded to tour and isn't particularly enjoying it. I think there is some truth in this. I guess time will tell whether he will relax and enjoy it more with experience or he'll see out tour and go back to what he is comfortable with. You never know Liam might look elsewhere next time although I think he will be inclined to be loyal to the current band.as long as the tour goes well, it seems his way.
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Post by freddy838 on Nov 4, 2017 12:10:35 GMT -5
The problem for me is that the other guitarist (not Jay, although he’s definitely not any better) just looks so nervous the whole time he’s on stage! He’s constantly checking the controls on his guitar, his finger placement on the fret board before his parts start, his pedal settings etc... His hands were even visibly shaking when he played the Rocking Chair solo last night. Agree. I think he's good but he looks like a nervous wreck. I suspect he's a session guy who got persuaded to tour and isn't particularly enjoying it. I bet if you'd told him a year ago that he'd be playing a sold out arena tour within 12 months he'd have laughed in your face. Tbf Liam probably would too. Can't be forgotten just how much this has exploded from almost nowhere. I think he plays most of it well, perhaps with a better guitarist alongside him Mike might feel a bit more at ease. He may just have one of those faces, too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 12:47:01 GMT -5
This ☝️
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 13:12:50 GMT -5
The problem for me is that the other guitarist (not Jay, although he’s definitely not any better) just looks so nervous the whole time he’s on stage! He’s constantly checking the controls on his guitar, his finger placement on the fret board before his parts start, his pedal settings etc... His hands were even visibly shaking when he played the Rocking Chair solo last night. Agree. I think he's good but he looks like a nervous wreck. I suspect he's a session guy who got persuaded to tour and isn't particularly enjoying it. Mike and Drew are best friends, so this was probably a chance for them to work together. Funnily Mike used to play in some band that toured with U2.
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Post by albarncoxon on Nov 4, 2017 14:43:50 GMT -5
I really don´t understand all the bullshit against the band. A lot of you are expecting them to sound like Oasis. My question is: Oasis from the records or Oasis live? Because even Oasis live never sounded like in the records. Do you remember a version in which Live Forever sounded like in the record? Slide Away?? Maybe with Zack or Chris on drums, but even during 1994 Slide Away started different than on the album. Wonderwall, DLBIA, Champagne S? When Alan came in to Oasis, he changed the style of almost all the old songs, and people dealed with it, because there was no internet to talk shit to every single thing that they didn´t like: people used to enjoy music. Liam´s band is clearly trying to sound like the record version of the songs. DYNWIM never sounded so close to the recorded version like this band does (can you show a version in which the song sounded live close to the record version? I dare you). When Gem and Andy came to the band, the rythm guitar of Supersonic changed totally (just an example), and, as the internet wasn´t like these days, no one was talking bullshit against Gem. Thanks god for that!!!!! Anyway, I agree with Jay being in the band: he is in that thin line: he was already part of a big band, and believe (because of that) he is a better musician than he actually is. Clearly the rest of the band are session musicians, and Jay is not. Is not balanced. The other very important point is the sound engineer. For example, for me, the BHN tour is divided in 2: 1997 and 1998. During 1997 the gigs had a very solid sound, where you can hear both guitars, and the band sounded tight. During 1997, with some exceptions, the sound is just awfull. Noel´s guitar was all over the place and sounded terrible, while Bonehead´s was not audible at all at most of gigs. 1998 Latin american tour is the best example: Santiago and Bs. Aires gigs are available in ProShot, and FM versions (plus Brazil, FM as well). Do you hear Bonehead´s guitar? Alan´s snare sounds horrible, Liam´s voice not in the same level as the band... a total chaos!!!! But the excitement of that era made us ignore all of that. Even the Jools Holland performance starting 2000 was weak, with Gem´s guitar very, very low in the mix and Noel´s guitar (again, big surprise) was all over the place. That´s not the band´s fault (I kind of suspect of Noel ). So, bottom line: this is not Oasis, it will not sound like Oasis, and no band in the world will ever sound like Oasis. Not even Oasis sounded like Oasis before SOTSOG. Deal with it, enjoy we have two new records, the lads are still making music, great gigs. If you don´t like Liam´s band, go and start a band yourself. Play a couple of gigs, share some videos here. Let´s see how it goes.
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Post by albarncoxon on Nov 4, 2017 17:43:59 GMT -5
Flat sound, lead parts played badly, no emotion or attitude in the playing. The 2 guitarists are really shit. They dont know how to play Oasis tunes, it's like they are touring for Miley Cyrus. Grow a pair and hit those strings hard dammit. The result is a bit catastrophic since Liam is shouting like he had a wall of guitars behind him. Drums and bass are fine though. ¨ lead parts played badly, no emotion or attitude in the playing¨... You mean emotion or attitude like Bonehad, Guigsy, Andy or Noel himself? They barely move on stage. They didn´t even smile. All that was on Liam shoulders. Lead parts played badly??? Come on!!!! The intro on Morning Glory is the closest I´ve listened to the record since the album came out 21 years ago. Do you remember how Oasis used to play it during 1995? Even Gem didn´t played it this accurate. ¨Liam is shouting like he had a wall of guitars behind him¨ You sound like you never seen or listened Oasis live. You sound like just throwing shit just because...
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Post by kido44 on Nov 5, 2017 8:27:40 GMT -5
I really don´t understand all the bullshit against the band. A lot of you are expecting them to sound like Oasis. My question is: Oasis from the records or Oasis live? Because even Oasis live never sounded like in the records. Do you remember a version in which Live Forever sounded like in the record? Slide Away?? Maybe with Zack or Chris on drums, but even during 1994 Slide Away started different than on the album. Wonderwall, DLBIA, Champagne S? When Alan came in to Oasis, he changed the style of almost all the old songs, and people dealed with it, because there was no internet to talk shit to every single thing that they didn´t like: people used to enjoy music. Liam´s band is clearly trying to sound like the record version of the songs. DYNWIM never sounded so close to the recorded version like this band does (can you show a version in which the song sounded live close to the record version? I dare you). When Gem and Andy came to the band, the rythm guitar of Supersonic changed totally (just an example), and, as the internet wasn´t like these days, no one was talking bullshit against Gem. Thanks god for that!!!!! Anyway, I agree with Jay being in the band: he is in that thin line: he was already part of a big band, and believe (because of that) he is a better musician than he actually is. Clearly the rest of the band are session musicians, and Jay is not. Is not balanced. The other very important point is the sound engineer. For example, for me, the BHN tour is divided in 2: 1997 and 1998. During 1997 the gigs had a very solid sound, where you can hear both guitars, and the band sounded tight. During 1997, with some exceptions, the sound is just awfull. Noel´s guitar was all over the place and sounded terrible, while Bonehead´s was not audible at all at most of gigs. 1998 Latin american tour is the best example: Santiago and Bs. Aires gigs are available in ProShot, and FM versions (plus Brazil, FM as well). Do you hear Bonehead´s guitar? Alan´s snare sounds horrible, Liam´s voice not in the same level as the band... a total chaos!!!! But the excitement of that era made us ignore all of that. Even the Jools Holland performance starting 2000 was weak, with Gem´s guitar very, very low in the mix and Noel´s guitar (again, big surprise) was all over the place. That´s not the band´s fault (I kind of suspect of Noel ). So, bottom line: this is not Oasis, it will not sound like Oasis, and no band in the world will ever sound like Oasis. Not even Oasis sounded like Oasis before SOTSOG. Deal with it, enjoy we have two new records, the lads are still making music, great gigs. If you don´t like Liam´s band, go and start a band yourself. Play a couple of gigs, share some videos here. Let´s see how it goes. Gotta say your spot on. For a new band i think there pretty awesome. Oasis had gigged and toured for years, liams band are a NEW developing band. Sounds great to me.
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Post by GlastoEls on Nov 5, 2017 12:58:30 GMT -5
Liam’s gigs this year were probably as good as the very best times I’ve seen Oasis...
Reading 2017 was every bit as good if not better than Reading 2000...
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Post by leron on Nov 5, 2017 13:14:30 GMT -5
They're so underrated
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Post by seanrulesrh on Nov 5, 2017 13:36:47 GMT -5
The band is getting better. Liam seem to be taking care of his voice drinking stuff and reposing after a couple gigs. But he doesn't nail every single song. Chinatown was fucking terrible live,because of the voice and the guitar effects. Really happy that they dropped it out of the set. Maybe my only problems with the band are Jay Melher and their fucking sound engineer. Its not that I hate Jay,but he's really bad with some guitar bits (Rock n Roll Star,Wall Of Glass,Chinatown,even the intro note on Slide Away,ITS JUST ONE SLIDE NOTE FOR GOD SAKE). The bass player is alright and if the sound engineer wasn't a complete useless trash we could hear him in Morning Glory. His voice gives the song a different sound on the 'Weeeeell' bit. Drummer and the other guitar player are good I guess. I suppose that they will get better and better as they do more gigs. Gotta remind that Noel's band didn't sound that great at the beggining. His guitar player was solid,he didn't fuck up but he didn't even try nothing new. Just do the record thing and thats all. And Russ vocals used to fuck every song where he sung. But now they are really good. So just give them time!
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