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Post by supernovadragon on Oct 16, 2017 2:12:19 GMT -5
As You Were is easily better today than DBTT. Better than pretty much all of the post 97 Oasis albums to be honest. Don't Believe The Truth has aged badly and the highs of that record come nowhere near the highs of As You Were.
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Post by andymorris on Oct 16, 2017 2:46:27 GMT -5
I'm very surprised by the results. It's because it's fresh. to sum up For me it's Don't Believe the Truth, simply because it's an all (and only) band effort. No outsider, no songs written by a studio mercenary. There two of my fav songs on it (Mucky Fingers and Idle), and overall, the sound is more rock n roll, rawer, and there's less ballads. As you Were is a pretty good record, but the sound is too poppy for it to beat DBTT. But i gotta say i remove a couple of stinkers from DBTT (Keep the dream alive and a bell will ring), and in Record Machine (from that era) and Lord Dont Slow me Down (Liam singing). Pretty good album that way.
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Post by draper on Oct 16, 2017 9:50:51 GMT -5
DBTT. As You Were sounds fresh though, I agree.
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Post by funhouse on Oct 16, 2017 15:41:04 GMT -5
I'm probably the only one on this forum who thinks DBTT was Oasis's worst album, so this was a nobrainer for me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 16:07:35 GMT -5
I'm probably the only one on this forum who thinks DBTT was Oasis's worst album, so this was a nobrainer for me. I think there are quite a few people on here who think the same. For me, it's a rather average record with some good songs on it and some stinkers, but I'd still put it above HC and DOYS.
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Post by sledgehammer87 on Oct 16, 2017 16:11:01 GMT -5
People are still in denial thinking that AYW is an amazing album.
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 16, 2017 16:12:34 GMT -5
People are still in denial thinking that AYW is an amazing album. You are still in denial thinking that's an intelligent take.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 16, 2017 16:13:30 GMT -5
People are still in denial thinking that AYW is an amazing album. You're in denial actually thinking people don't think its an amazing album. They do, deal with it.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 16, 2017 17:01:36 GMT -5
DBTT is not a great album. Its probably just an average album. Its got its moments no doubt but overall I never listen to it front to back. I cherry pick. Therefore it can't be a great album in my eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 17:13:34 GMT -5
DBTT is not a great album. Its probably just an average album. Its got its moments no doubt but overall I never listen to it front to back. I cherry pick. Therefore it can't be a great album in my eyes. This is sadly true for every mk2 album.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 16, 2017 17:14:52 GMT -5
DBTT is not a great album. Its probably just an average album. Its got its moments no doubt but overall I never listen to it front to back. I cherry pick. Therefore it can't be a great album in my eyes. This is sadly true for every mk2 album. Yes, yes it is and it breaks my heart to say that. Oasis post 2000 was a different animal.
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 16, 2017 17:41:12 GMT -5
This is sadly true for every mk2 album. Yes, yes it is and it breaks my heart to say that. Oasis post 2000 was a different animal. I've met many people who fell in love with Oasis through one of their post-2000 albums, and while I'm glad they found the band, it also leaves me a bit baffled. My view of the post-2000 albums is almost resentful: The band that put out four nearly-perfect albums (as a non-Brit, I count The Masterplan as part of a quadrilogy) just seemed to stop caring. The quality control slipped, and proper shitty tunes were allowed on the albums. I'd rather have had fewer, less frequent albums if it meant giving Noel the time to write the right songs. Gem and Andy should never have been allowed to write for Oasis (I'd gladly sacrifice Turn Up The Sun to erase dross like The Nature of Reality). Liam should have been allowed to write (Songbird and Born On A Different Cloud earn him the ticket) but Noel should have been on the ball enough to say "no, The Meaning of Soul ain't getting on the record". But I think the Britpop hangover never quite left them.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 16, 2017 17:47:50 GMT -5
Yes, yes it is and it breaks my heart to say that. Oasis post 2000 was a different animal. I've met many people who fell in love with Oasis through one of their post-2000 albums, and while I'm glad they found the band, it also leaves me a bit baffled. My view of the post-2000 albums is almost resentful: The band that put out four nearly-perfect albums (as a non-Brit, I count The Masterplan as part of a quadrilogy) just seemed to stop caring. The quality control slipped, and proper shitty tunes were allowed on the albums. I'd rather have had fewer, less frequent albums if it meant giving Noel the time to write the right songs. Gem and Andy should never have been allowed to write for Oasis (I'd gladly sacrifice Turn Up The Sun to erase dross like The Nature of Reality). Liam should have been allowed to write (Songbird and Born On A Different Cloud earn him the ticket) but Noel should have been on the ball enough to say "no, The Meaning of Soul ain't getting on the record". But I think the Britpop hangover never quite left them. Oasis flat out needed a real deal producer after Be Here Now. Someone to tell them right from wrong. Yes or no. They needed someone to guide the ship. Noel is too headstrong for that role. His vision is shaded to his own personal preference that might not always serve the band in the long or near term. Its a shame they didn't really find one. I guess you could count Sardy but he really just appeared during the last gasp of air from the band.
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Post by dhamon on Oct 16, 2017 20:11:42 GMT -5
DBTT is my second from the bottom in my Oasis album ranking, AYW is certainly ahead of it. I’d have a tougher time comparing it to DOYS.
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Post by jason77 on Oct 17, 2017 5:43:51 GMT -5
Average album dbtt is never liked lyla much but liked the importance of being idle and let there be love the rest of it average.As you were any day for me.
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Post by kido44 on Oct 17, 2017 5:56:44 GMT -5
As You Were is a better album than SOTSOG, HC, DBTT, DOYS, DGSS & BE. Its a great album.
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Post by jason77 on Oct 17, 2017 5:57:50 GMT -5
They should of called it a day after Be here now really and both started solo carears.
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Post by kido44 on Oct 17, 2017 6:34:29 GMT -5
They should of called it a day after Be here now really and both started solo carears. Bonehead got it spot on
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 6:40:51 GMT -5
I've met many people who fell in love with Oasis through one of their post-2000 albums, and while I'm glad they found the band, it also leaves me a bit baffled. My view of the post-2000 albums is almost resentful: The band that put out four nearly-perfect albums (as a non-Brit, I count The Masterplan as part of a quadrilogy) just seemed to stop caring. The quality control slipped, and proper shitty tunes were allowed on the albums. I'd rather have had fewer, less frequent albums if it meant giving Noel the time to write the right songs. Gem and Andy should never have been allowed to write for Oasis (I'd gladly sacrifice Turn Up The Sun to erase dross like The Nature of Reality). Liam should have been allowed to write (Songbird and Born On A Different Cloud earn him the ticket) but Noel should have been on the ball enough to say "no, The Meaning of Soul ain't getting on the record". But I think the Britpop hangover never quite left them. Oasis flat out needed a real deal producer after Be Here Now. Someone to tell them right from wrong. Yes or no. They needed someone to guide the ship. Noel is too headstrong for that role. His vision is shaded to his own personal preference that might not always serve the band in the long or near term. Its a shame they didn't really find one. I guess you could count Sardy but he really just appeared during the last gasp of air from the band. If Noel took a few months more for Standing on the Shoulder of Giants (better lyrics for I Can See a Liar and a Liam sung Full On) you had another great album.
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 17, 2017 14:40:45 GMT -5
While I really like 7 songs on DBTT, I have problems with these four songs:
Love Like A Bomb: Nor a bandleader neither a producer would have allowed such an awfull vocals take on a song like Liam did here.
Keep The Dream Alive: It's a mess of a song, seems like the production on it was rushed.
A Bell Will Ring: Generic, just generic.
The Meaning of Soul: A throwaway, filler, should have been Pass Me Down The Wine over this.
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Post by glider on Oct 17, 2017 14:45:22 GMT -5
The highs of DBTT are incredibly overrated. Lyla and Turn Up The Sun are decent but not remarkable. Idle is 2000s Noel by numbers. They aren't bad songs, but I wouldn't put them over the highs of SOTSOG or rate them anywhere near the classics.
Guess God Thinks I'm Abel is a highlight for me - aside from the ending it is a well rounded track with the best production on the album.
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