If you compare the Nazi's to people who think that England should leave the UK you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
It's probably a coincidence that UKIP's campaign poster resembles Nazi propaganda. Perhaps it's also a coincidence that Thomas Mair, Jo Cox's alleged murderer, has been linked with a South African white supremacist organisation who were once addressed in person by UKIP's Deputy Chairman, Neil Hamilton.
I'm not here to argue that Nigel Farage and Neil Hamilton are fascists, but through their politics they and their ilk facilitate an ugly, insidious form of nationalism which gives encouragement to malicious lunatics and is evidently, in itself, a threat to British people and the British values that UKIP claim to protect.
Post by universalgleam on Jun 19, 2016 10:19:42 GMT -5
am I the only one that thinks david cameron should be unbiased over something like this? I just think it should be put across as "its for the people to decide" because if we do leave then david cameron has been behind the stay campaign so how can he realistically continue to run things in that aspect when he never wanted it in the first place?
He probably didn't know 'LEAVE' would be a realistic outcome, surely?
I fail to understand how anyone, least of all the Prime Minister, could observe the UK’s growing hostility to the EU, to immigrants, to the political class, and conclude the risk of a Leave vote to be insignificant.
If you give him the benefit of the doubt on that point, and assume that he has agreed to the referendum regardless, then he has knowingly risked the future of the UK, and indeed the EU, in a vain attempt to shore up a rift in his party and snatch a few thousand votes from UKIP.
Cameron called this referendum in January 2013, promising it on one condition - we would only get it with a Tory majority.
At the time, it seemed quite a shrewd decision. Any chance of a majority government being formed in Westminster looked very unlikely - and Cameron knew it too, so there was no real expectation at all for a referendum. "The joke's on those Tory backbenchers" it seemed to suggest. Fast forward to 2015, and then bam, a Tory majority out of nowhere.
Now? Well, if we wake up on Friday out of the EU, a small speech on a cold January day nearly four years ago may turn out to have been the most damaging political manoeuvre in post war Britain. And the fact is for Cameron, this isn't going away whatever the result is on Friday. I totally expect a Remain victory by the way - I bloody hope so. But the Leave camp have been galvanised by this (in a similar way that Yes voters in the Scottish referendum turned Labour voters away into the hands of the SNP), with attitudes having hardened over the campaign. The negativity of such a campaign from both camps has led to polarisation on the right (Remain is supposed to be cross party but considering the Conservative's majority, the agenda is inevitably set by them - sadly, the more positive campaigning from the likes of the Lib Dems and SNP have gone unheeded by the Fleet Street press because the Lib Dems are a decimated party and hold barely any influence, while the papers south of the border - unwisely for this campaign - don't want anything to do with SNP). What will happen is that the right voters will now split considerably - Eurosceptic members of the Tory party will hold this against Osborne come Cameron's resignation before the next election, and could very well vote in as leader an anti-EU MP. So expect to see Boris Johnson and Michael Gove having a good chance to take over the leadership. Either that or UKIP are galvanised by this with previous Tory voters defecting to them - splitting the right and reducing the majority. Either scenario isn't good enough for the Tories though if they want to win the election, considering the past Eurosceptic Tory leaders have been overwhelmingly rejected by the electorate and UKIP obviously have no chance of forming governments.
Though the issue of Europe always destroys the Tories. If it could crush Thatcher and turn the party on itself and collapse in the 1990s, then it can crush any Tory leader. Cameron has already dodged many bullets in his six years as Prime Minister and performed escapades that seemed to spell a near disaster for him - imagine the dramatic irony of the Europe issue decimating the Tory party yet again..... only this time, they will have caused collateral damage to the entire UK.