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Post by Ross on Feb 24, 2016 6:49:43 GMT -5
It is not about ownership of the pound, as it stands all new countries that join the EU have to have the euro. And it is my hunch that if we left the EU that it would be the beginning of the end for the remaining EU countries that did not have the Euro. You will see them being forced to accept the Euro or leave the EU. This was debated to death during the independence referendum, there is no reason why Scotland could not use the pound. You can have the pound and not be in the EU. Or you can be in the EU and have the Euro.
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Post by globe on Feb 24, 2016 9:34:54 GMT -5
This was debated to death during the independence referendum, there is no reason why Scotland could not use the pound. You can have the pound and not be in the EU. Or you can be in the EU and have the Euro. Pish!
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Post by Ross on Feb 24, 2016 10:22:09 GMT -5
You can have the pound and not be in the EU. Or you can be in the EU and have the Euro. Pish! The only way you would be right is if Scotland is allowed into the EU yet is unable to meet the requirements to be accepted into the eurozone. As only Denmark and the UK have opt outs from joining the Euro once the requisite criteria has been met.
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Post by Ross on Feb 24, 2016 16:05:05 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Feb 24, 2016 17:02:59 GMT -5
I never intended to turn this thread into a debate on Scotland, but there appears to be a few points I need to address. Even though this would mean having the Euro. Why would we have to use the Euro? If the UK votes to stay in the EU, will the UK be using the Euro? England does not own the pound. SNP will be secretly hoping it's a vote to leave. Those idiots would happily see us live in caves if it meant 'freedom' (insert other cliched shortbread tin stereotypes the SNP like to push). C'mon Matt, you are more intelligent than that. I voted Yes, all my colleagues at work bar one voted Yes (funnily enough the only No voter at my work is also from Orkney), my English wife voted Yes. Supporters of Scotland leaving the UK are not raving nationalist looking for "freedom", I'm not a nationalist, none of my colleagues are nationalists, I don't even like most of the SNP politicians (although I think Sturgeon is great), I simply want to put Scotland in a position where the government of the day have at least some kind of connection with the majority of the population, not privileged Eton squares who look down their noses at ordinary folk. Sorry globe, I don't mean to be condescending to Yes voters. It's folk like Salmond's pathetic patriotism who put me right off it - though Sturgeon is a brilliant politician who will definitely win a lot of people over. I didn't vote yes because I wasn't convinced by the economics and I'm still not. But I also despised the Better Together campaign - those silly bastards only put party politics above everything with no plan for the future (my own position was devo max). Funny thing is, I agree with everything you say bar independence.. To be honest, I'm just waiting for it whether I want it or not, it seems inevitable given what the Tories are up to.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 24, 2016 21:49:15 GMT -5
Most cringe worthy thing I've seen/heard since Heathen Chemistry's She Is Love.
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Post by globe on Feb 25, 2016 4:05:44 GMT -5
I never intended to turn this thread into a debate on Scotland, but there appears to be a few points I need to address. Why would we have to use the Euro? If the UK votes to stay in the EU, will the UK be using the Euro? England does not own the pound. C'mon Matt, you are more intelligent than that. I voted Yes, all my colleagues at work bar one voted Yes (funnily enough the only No voter at my work is also from Orkney), my English wife voted Yes. Supporters of Scotland leaving the UK are not raving nationalist looking for "freedom", I'm not a nationalist, none of my colleagues are nationalists, I don't even like most of the SNP politicians (although I think Sturgeon is great), I simply want to put Scotland in a position where the government of the day have at least some kind of connection with the majority of the population, not privileged Eton squares who look down their noses at ordinary folk. Sorry globe, I don't mean to be condescending to Yes voters. It's folk like Salmond's pathetic patriotism who put me right off it - though Sturgeon is a brilliant politician who will definitely win a lot of people over. I didn't vote yes because I wasn't convinced by the economics and I'm still not. But I also despised the Better Together campaign - those silly bastards only put party politics above everything with no plan for the future (my own position was devo max). Funny thing is, I agree with everything you say bar independence.. To be honest, I'm just waiting for it whether I want it or not, it seems inevitable given what the Tories are up to. I was never a huge fan of Salmond either mate, I think he's a very skilled politician but I could never take to him, Sturgeon on the other hand seems like a really genuine person who actually cares about people you know? I hate all that nationalist stuff too trust me, I just think we'd be better off with a government who share the same kind of values with the people. Anyway, like I say I don't want to hijack this thread and turn it into a debate about Scotland.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 26, 2016 21:00:06 GMT -5
-Anthony Hilton, Evening Standard
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Post by Ross on Feb 27, 2016 5:48:37 GMT -5
Most cringe worthy thing I've seen/heard since Heathen Chemistry's She Is Love. What about this
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Post by bastuz on Mar 22, 2016 15:19:34 GMT -5
I don't know what to say. Having a question formulated in this way sounds like there could be reasons for Britain to stay in the EU. It's such an extremely defensive way of asking the question that I don't know if you're just insane or whatever the reason may be. Should Great Britain on itself not be greater than EU and should Great Britain not have the chance to command rather than to bargain with possible landwinnings?
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Post by Ross on Mar 29, 2016 15:46:00 GMT -5
i wonder how long it would take from the vote for an exit from the EU to be complete.
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Post by Ross on Mar 31, 2016 4:13:50 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 12, 2016 8:26:00 GMT -5
I don't understand why important aspects like the Brexit are put up to a referendum - it has too many economic and security implications to be held as a populist vote. Rather, it should be in the hands of the elected officials who are qualified and have appropriate degrees and backgrounds to make such important decisions. I don't get it.
It's your hell, UK, if you break from the EU. Although, I'm confident the UK will remain. Almost 100% certain.
But my point still remains: Referendums are irresponsible.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Apr 12, 2016 10:56:11 GMT -5
I don't understand why important aspects like the Brexit are put up to a referendum - it has too many economic and security implications to be held as a populist vote. Rather, it should be in the hands of the elected officials who are qualified and have appropriate degrees and backgrounds to make such important decisions. I don't get it. It's your hell, UK, if you break from the EU. Although, I'm confident the UK will remain. Almost 100% certain. But my point still remains: Referendums are irresponsible. The funniest thing is you're not joking.
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Post by globe on Apr 12, 2016 11:10:56 GMT -5
I don't understand why important aspects like the Brexit are put up to a referendum - it has too many economic and security implications to be held as a populist vote. Rather, it should be in the hands of the elected officials who are qualified and have appropriate degrees and backgrounds to make such important decisions. I don't get it. It's your hell, UK, if you break from the EU. Although, I'm confident the UK will remain. Almost 100% certain. But my point still remains: Referendums are irresponsible. The funniest thing is you're not joking. Frightening eh?
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Apr 12, 2016 11:31:17 GMT -5
The funniest thing is you're not joking. Frightening eh? Yeah, it was nervous laughter if I'm honest.
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Post by Ross on Apr 12, 2016 15:02:52 GMT -5
I don't understand why important aspects like the Brexit are put up to a referendum - it has too many economic and security implications to be held as a populist vote. Rather, it should be in the hands of the elected officials who are qualified and have appropriate degrees and backgrounds to make such important decisions. I don't get it. It's your hell, UK, if you break from the EU. Although, I'm confident the UK will remain. Almost 100% certain. But my point still remains: Referendums are irresponsible. It is the elected politicians that placed this issue in there manifesto and are carrying it out. That is democracy for you. Granted it is strange to have the very people that have brought about the referendum telling the electorate how irresponsible brexit would be. I don't share your confidence as there will be a near 100% turnout for those that want to leave whereas we have no idea what kind of turnout there will be for those that want to stay.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Apr 12, 2016 15:36:04 GMT -5
We should leave.
Scotland should be independent and join the scandi countries as part of their alliance.
We have nothing in common with Continental Europeans.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Apr 16, 2016 22:59:07 GMT -5
We should leave. Scotland should be independent and join the scandi countries as part of their alliance. We have nothing in common with Continental Europeans. Nothing in common? Really? Christ.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 20, 2016 11:28:13 GMT -5
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Post by arthurmorgan on Apr 20, 2016 11:47:48 GMT -5
Why should you leave the EU?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 23, 2016 8:15:44 GMT -5
What do people think of Obama's involvement and speech on this issue this week? I agree with the content and what he said, but I didn't like the style or how he said it. Regardless, I think he's on point about Britain needing to remain in the EU.
And from all the recent polls and articles I've read, it's looking very likely that Britain will indeed remain. I don't think it's even going to be close.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Apr 23, 2016 9:34:17 GMT -5
What do people think of Obama's involvement and speech on this issue this week? I agree with the content and what he said, but I didn't like the style or how he said it. Regardless, I think he's on point about Britain needing to remain in the EU. And from all the recent polls and articles I've read, it's looking very likely that Britain will indeed remain. I don't think it's even going to be close. I think he's a two penny chancer who should keep his stinking nose OUT !!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 25, 2016 20:47:54 GMT -5
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Post by batfink30 on May 26, 2016 12:50:23 GMT -5
Polling has been shit in the UK for the past few years, in fact the polling companies are in crisis with the differences between online and phone polls.
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