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Post by batfink30 on Dec 7, 2018 11:29:42 GMT -5
And here's the draft parliamentary legislation that will allow ministers to tell pharmasits to override doctors and limit meds during the meds shortage!
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Post by globe on Dec 10, 2018 8:53:59 GMT -5
May has shat it - Commons vote to be delayed.
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Post by mancraider on Dec 10, 2018 18:34:18 GMT -5
Corbyn has secured a emergency debate tomorrow on Gov decision to pull vote w without permission of House. Could yet force a vote tomorrow.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 12, 2018 16:05:48 GMT -5
I'm not following it (other than the headline) but how the fuck has May remained? She's a terrible PM.
Bring back David Cameron.
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Post by matt on Dec 12, 2018 16:23:44 GMT -5
I'm not following it (other than the headline) but how the fuck has May remained? She's a terrible PM. Bring back David Cameron.Said literally nobody ever. You clearly haven't been following it.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 12, 2018 16:31:47 GMT -5
I'm not following it (other than the headline) but how the fuck has May remained? She's a terrible PM. Bring back David Cameron.Said literally nobody ever. You clearly haven't been following it. What would you have wanted: For May to remain, or for Boris Johnson to take her place?
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Post by globe on Dec 12, 2018 17:32:08 GMT -5
Thon clown Mogg there saying it was a terrible result for the PM - only winning 64% of her colleagues.
Big majority there eh Jacob?
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Post by matt on Dec 12, 2018 18:12:21 GMT -5
Said literally nobody ever. You clearly haven't been following it. What would you have wanted: For May to remain, or for Boris Johnson to take her place? Theresa May - I mean, she's fucking useless and I still hope this shitshow government collapses (because there is literally nobody competent) but have you seen the epic twats lining up to take her place? At this stage, I'll go for an ardent pro-EU politician. At this stage, only Caroline Lucas and the SNP seem to be making any fucking sense. Even John McDonnell in all fairness to him is making much more sense than his so called leader in Labour, Corbyn might be best advised to fuck off and let him take the place.
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Post by batfink30 on Dec 13, 2018 1:57:23 GMT -5
Cameron caused this whole clusterfuck, he can GTF. May is an abomination but possibly keeping the crazy "no deal" wolves from the door. I don't think (hope) she'd go for no deal, at some point point surely she'll have to pivot to a GE or PV when her horrible deal is voted down? This deal though, because of her stupid red lines, is the best on offer. She can't go back to Brussels and ask for more, the backstop is the only solution to the NI border issue and any deal she tries to get, so she's just playing for time. She is fucked though, a no deal would contravene the Good Friday Agreement which is an international peace treaty, her deal will be voted down whatever happens in Parliament and any other deal requires a backstop. The only way forward for her now is a PV or GE.
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Post by batfink30 on Dec 13, 2018 2:04:44 GMT -5
What would you have wanted: For May to remain, or for Boris Johnson to take her place? Theresa May - I mean, she's fucking useless and I still hope this shitshow government collapses (because there is literally nobody competent) but have you seen the epic twats lining up to take her place? At this stage, I'll go for an ardent pro-EU politician. At this stage, only Caroline Lucas and the SNP seem to be making any fucking sense. Even John McDonnell in all fairness to him is making much more sense than his so called leader in Labour, Corbyn might be best advised to fuck off and let him take the place. I'd take Keir Starmer is a heartbeat.
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 13, 2018 2:18:00 GMT -5
"Keep May and Carry on"...
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Post by globe on Dec 13, 2018 4:04:07 GMT -5
A United Ireland and Scotland leaving what is left of the UK is the only sensible way forward.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Dec 13, 2018 7:09:24 GMT -5
A United Ireland and Scotland leaving what is left of the UK is the only sensible way forward. A united Ireland is currently not feasible or sensible no matter how much I would love to see it.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Dec 13, 2018 7:12:20 GMT -5
What would you have wanted: For May to remain, or for Boris Johnson to take her place? Theresa May - I mean, she's fucking useless and I still hope this shitshow government collapses (because there is literally nobody competent) but have you seen the epic twats lining up to take her place? At this stage, I'll go for an ardent pro-EU politician. At this stage, only Caroline Lucas and the SNP seem to be making any fucking sense. Even John McDonnell in all fairness to him is making much more sense than his so called leader in Labour, Corbyn might be best advised to fuck off and let him take the place. John McDonnell and Corbyn I doubt will ever be that far apart. Its tricky for Labour at the moment, there own party being divided as it is. I think the best that can be hoped is the voting down of the deal and political stalemate resulting in EUref2.
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Post by matt on Dec 13, 2018 9:07:53 GMT -5
Theresa May - I mean, she's fucking useless and I still hope this shitshow government collapses (because there is literally nobody competent) but have you seen the epic twats lining up to take her place? At this stage, I'll go for an ardent pro-EU politician. At this stage, only Caroline Lucas and the SNP seem to be making any fucking sense. Even John McDonnell in all fairness to him is making much more sense than his so called leader in Labour, Corbyn might be best advised to fuck off and let him take the place. I'd take Keir Starmer is a heartbeat. That’s the name that escaped me, he’s a rare one seemingly not living in a fantasy land and has a genuine grasp of the dangers.
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Post by globe on Dec 13, 2018 11:02:28 GMT -5
A United Ireland and Scotland leaving what is left of the UK is the only sensible way forward. A united Ireland is currently not feasible or sensible no matter how much I would love to see it. Aye, I was just being facetious really. I don't think the Republic would want anything to do with the North, not right at this moment anyway.
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Post by batfink30 on Dec 13, 2018 16:33:07 GMT -5
The amount of people that don't know the ramifications of a no deal is staggering. It really is catastrophic stuff for the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 16:49:55 GMT -5
The whole thing is and has always been about Tory infighting. It's fucking disgusting. If there were to be another vote and we did end up remaining, I don't know how much money's been spent already. If there are 5,000 civil servants working on Brexit, and I suspect that would be a very low estimate (there are 400,000 civil servants) and they end up spending 3 years on it at an average cost of £40,000 per year each (that's again probably low - I'm taking salary plus pension plus accomodation in Whitehall) then that's £600 million in labour alone. We all pay up, so who gets held accountable for that?
On a side note, I get really annoyed by people talking about Corbyn's Euroscepticism as if it's the same as Tory Euroscepticism. Perhaps consider why Corbyn has challenged the EU before lumping him in with those who basically just want rid of all the workers' rights.
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Post by mancraider on Dec 13, 2018 16:54:13 GMT -5
Rumours DUP and Labour are in discussions to try and agree VoNC. If they can do a deal it could be a GE end of January.
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Post by batfink30 on Dec 13, 2018 17:23:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 17:56:37 GMT -5
90 new posts at Defra isn't massive but would likely need Secretary of State approval. Does Gove think there won't be a deal?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 18:03:11 GMT -5
Brexit my arse
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Dec 13, 2018 18:09:58 GMT -5
Rumours DUP and Labour are in discussions to try and agree VoNC. If they can do a deal it could be a GE end of January. Hmmmm...Do we really want to get in with the DUP? Even to bring the government down. Would Labour owe them? I take it this would have to happen post May’s deal being voted down?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 18:25:36 GMT -5
I think the only thing the DUP will want in exchange for supporting a no confidence vote is assurance over the border. If Corbyn were to win a subsequent election without a majority I imagine he'd rather try to run a minority government than get in bed with the DUP.
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Post by batfink30 on Dec 13, 2018 18:40:46 GMT -5
EU have just destroyed May in their statements tonight. Hardening on the backstop. She needs to realise and quick it's over for her. In other news EU ESTA confirmation for UK citz. €7 for 3 years.m and online form.
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