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Post by jaq515 on May 27, 2016 13:34:03 GMT -5
I read Wiki and some sites on the net but I still get the Monkees. Were they a "real" band, in the sense of writing and playing their own songs? It seems they were just a product of a TV series. Doesn't that make them "manufactured"? Nothing wrong with being manufactured. Just want to understand the hype around them. Every band is to some extent "manufactured". That said, the Monkees were created for a TV show. All the tunes where written by other people. Then after a bit they decided to try and break the "manufactured" idea and wrote some of their own material which turned out to be quite good. So, to answer your question.... Yes. They are both "real" and "manufactured". I'm sure at one point there was a rumour / story that stephen speilberg wanted to use supergrass and make a modern monkeys show
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Post by Manualex on May 27, 2016 13:51:16 GMT -5
Just like a certain band from Liverpool and their matching outfits(at least for the first half of their carreer). Low blow at Gerry and the Pacemakers was thinking of Frankie goes to hollywood
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:31:17 GMT -5
i really like it. i can definitely hear noel singing it. i'm surprised he didn't keep it for himself.
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Post by Doc Lobster on May 27, 2016 16:08:25 GMT -5
There's a small Pink Floyd lift. The "feeling cold" bit at 1:15 is the last "tell me more" from Matilda Mother.
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Post by mystoryisgory on May 27, 2016 19:57:30 GMT -5
Nice! Slightly reminiscent of Those Swollen Hand Blues and would have done well as a CY b-side. Got some great psychedelic vibes!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 22:33:42 GMT -5
i can hear a little bit of the kinks as well, especially during the 'high in a rooftop' part.
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on May 28, 2016 9:31:23 GMT -5
the beatles were manicured, but they certainly weren't manufactured.
writing their own songs and forming their own band together, playing clubs for years before being signed etc are all parts of being a real band. agreed that wearing matching suits is part of making money.
the monkees were manufactured; they had never met each other prior to auditioning for a TV show, and were created by TV executives for the sole purpose of being goofy in a show about a fictitious band with songs written by hitmakers. the members of the band only sang vocals on the songs, and didn't play the instruments. they gradually started to have more creative control over the music, eventually writing songs and playing instruments, but as you can see from the 2016 album, they still rely on other songwriters and are not nearly as prolific as 60's acts that were based on original material.
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Post by boneheadsbolero on May 28, 2016 10:04:45 GMT -5
Mike Nesmith sings Noel Gallagher. Attempts at psychedelia are made. Is it good? No. Is it great? No. Is it awful? No. Is it worth listening to a second time? No. Shall I end this post now? Yes!
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 28, 2016 10:44:03 GMT -5
I wish Noel and Weller did a version of this song themselves. Both strumming and singing the leads. Could have made an awesome Record Store Day release or something.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 28, 2016 13:06:27 GMT -5
This is actually quite good. Nothing great, but good enough. Would also love NG and PW to do a version themselves.
You can really tell it's written by them. It just sounds so like something they'd write!
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 28, 2016 13:11:35 GMT -5
This is actually quite good. Nothing great, but good enough. Would also love NG and PW to do a version themselves. You can really tell it's written by them. It just sounds so like something they'd write!
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Post by Headmaster on May 28, 2016 13:18:36 GMT -5
So Noel and Paul finally made a song togheter, a thing which they always wanted to do.
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Post by LlAM on May 28, 2016 17:09:06 GMT -5
Great tune! Great Hindu Times reference! Great instrumentation! Great hooks! Great solo! Great ad lib at the end! Great lyrics!
This would've been a megahit with Noel, Weller and Bowie on vocals!
Fun, nice, life, youth... Beautiful... I'm all for it!
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Post by guigsysEstring on May 30, 2016 5:14:50 GMT -5
Every band is to some extent "manufactured". That said, the Monkees were created for a TV show. All the tunes where written by other people. Then after a bit they decided to try and break the "manufactured" idea and wrote some of their own material which turned out to be quite good. So, to answer your question.... Yes. They are both "real" and "manufactured". I'm sure at one point there was a rumour / story that stephen speilberg wanted to use supergrass and make a modern monkeys show It was true- Guardian Nov 2015From what I recall they were offered a substantial amount of money after Spielberg saw the 'Alright' video (presumably he missed Danny Goffey looking down the lens at 0.48/49 and saying "Fuck Off!" ). They turned him down after a meeting as I remember because although they would have been made instant millionaires and got on US TV it would have effectively killed their career on the first album.
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Post by guigsysEstring on May 30, 2016 10:03:43 GMT -5
I read Wiki and some sites on the net but I still get the Monkees. Were they a "real" band, in the sense of writing and playing their own songs? It seems they were just a product of a TV series. Doesn't that make them "manufactured"? Nothing wrong with being manufactured. Just want to understand the hype around them. Every band is to some extent "manufactured". That said, the Monkees were created for a TV show. All the tunes where written by other people. Then after a bit they decided to try and break the "manufactured" idea and wrote some of their own material which turned out to be quite good. So, to answer your question.... Yes. They are both "real" and "manufactured". "The Monkees weren't about music Marge... they were about Rebellion! About political and social upheaval!"
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Post by msa13 on Jun 1, 2016 13:59:10 GMT -5
The song is great!
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Post by oasisserbia on Jun 2, 2016 13:10:49 GMT -5
Yeah I like it too. I would like to hear whole album like this from Noel and Paul.
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Post by Frodis on Jun 2, 2016 13:58:53 GMT -5
the beatles were manicured, but they certainly weren't manufactured. writing their own songs and forming their own band together, playing clubs for years before being signed etc are all parts of being a real band. agreed that wearing matching suits is part of making money. the monkees were manufactured; they had never met each other prior to auditioning for a TV show, and were created by TV executives for the sole purpose of being goofy in a show about a fictitious band with songs written by hitmakers. the members of the band only sang vocals on the songs, and didn't play the instruments. they gradually started to have more creative control over the music, eventually writing songs and playing instruments, but as you can see from the 2016 album, they still rely on other songwriters and are not nearly as prolific as 60's acts that were based on original material. Not true. Nesmith & Tork were musicians well before joining The Monkees. Nesmith's solo career, while not exactly the type of music this forum is all about, is definitely worth checking out. Tork, also, played a large plethora of instruments and was close friends with Stephen Stills (of Crosby, Stills, & Nash) and it was Stills who had originally referred him to the casting call for The Monkees.. Nesmith also wrote a bunch of songs performed by other people, most notably Different Drum, sang by Linda Rondstadt. Just an example: Mike Nesmith (solo) www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSW0x8yiPavrCSlbMxGCSMzv06UQ9tabSAlso, the group (Tork, Dolenz, & Nesmith) did play a good portion of the instruments on their Headquarters album: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkees#Headquarters_and_Pisces.2C_Aquarius.2C_Capricorn_.26_JonesHeadquarters, full album:
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Post by mouth on Jun 2, 2016 15:14:06 GMT -5
the gallagher/weller song, 'me & magdalena' and 'she makes me laugh' are genuinely awesome.
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Post by johnwesleyharding on Jun 4, 2016 2:17:14 GMT -5
I'm sure the Monkees own this one lock, stock & barrel and there is no possibility there can be a Weller/Gallgher version, but if I'm dreaming...
The duet would be great and a reunion of Death In Vegas producing it would make this into a classic. Of course, 60s homage doesn't please many these days, I can hear it in my head and it sounds great.
Listen to what they did with the Modfather:
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Post by leak4ever on Jun 4, 2016 8:08:41 GMT -5
the gallagher/weller song, 'me & magdalena' and 'she makes me laugh' are genuinely awesome. Rivers Cuomo > Noel Gallagher These days anyway. White Album shits all over most of Noel's post Oasis work.
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Post by johnwesleyharding on Jun 4, 2016 8:38:13 GMT -5
the gallagher/weller song, 'me & magdalena' and 'she makes me laugh' are genuinely awesome. Rivers Cuomo > Noel Gallagher These days anyway. White Album shits all over most of Noel's post Oasis work. Everyone has a right to their opinion, of course, but this is a shocking statement. You must really dig Weezer...
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Jun 4, 2016 13:00:21 GMT -5
Not true. Nesmith & Tork were musicians well before joining The Monkees. Nesmith's solo career, while not exactly the type of music this forum is all about, is definitely worth checking out. Tork, also, played a large plethora of instruments and was close friends with Stephen Stills (of Crosby, Stills, & Nash) and it was Stills who had originally referred him to the casting call for The Monkees.. Nesmith also wrote a bunch of songs performed by other people, most notably Different Drum, sang by Linda Rondstadt. Just an example: Mike Nesmith (solo) www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSW0x8yiPavrCSlbMxGCSMzv06UQ9tabSAlso, the group (Tork, Dolenz, & Nesmith) did play a good portion of the instruments on their Headquarters album: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkees#Headquarters_and_Pisces.2C_Aquarius.2C_Capricorn_.26_JonesHeadquarters, full album: [/quote] I'm aware they were musicians prior to being in the monkees, but they were still assembled and made into a group by people with money for the purpose of making money. yes, they did play musical instruments and were talented, but the band's origins are in television and not songwriting/creativity. and their early recordings, they I believe they only provided vocals on until they became popular and demanded more creative control.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jun 4, 2016 15:20:18 GMT -5
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Post by Wandering Moon on Jul 23, 2016 21:55:40 GMT -5
Really, really loving this song. One of the best on the album, of course.
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